kayla1 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 at that footage................... There is no excuse for intracardial injection to euth... That dog screaming was just awful... Absolutely disgusting treatment of those poor animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andisa Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Did that breeder say he had 300 breeding bitches ....and he was proud he had 10 staff What was his name again? Greedy Bast---d??? Actually, if anyone's interested it was someone Ham of Banksia Puppy Farms ... Lets not forget he also said he would have twice that amount if he could... ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Gifts Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Oh dog where do I start? RSPCA - we all saw your stats recently here on DOL and they were much higher than Coleman was quoting tonight. Also aren't you supposed to be our national body preventing cruelty to animals with your Australia wide legislation? Why do we also need AWL making millions of dollars each year and prosecuting? Isn't that what you are supposed to be doing? And why do we have an ex RSPCA behaviouralist saying we need a national body like an Ombudsman when we are supposed to have you? What purpose are you really serving this country anymore????? Haven't you just become an archaic and bureacratic institution that individual rescue groups have felt the need to replace? Puppy farmer - you have 300 breeding bitches and 10 staff. Say each of those bitches only has 4 puppies per litter that is a ratio of 1 staff member per 150 animals to care for and socialise at any one time. My sister and I currently have 2 adult dogs and 2 foster pups and we are struggling to keep it all under control and give them all they need so good on you for employing staff who clearly have super powers. PIAA man - hurry up and retire because you clearly have no clue about how your business contributes to the problem. Your staff spend a whole hour with a potential adopter before selling them the dog they wanted. Good for you! I'm sure you are not telling these people that they could actually buy a dog cheaper from a registered breeder who cares about their dogs and who they sell them too! And lastly back to the RSPCA. Neither mine or my sister's heart dog would've passed your tests. None of the three adult shar pei I have fostered this year would've either. That's 5 dogs who are adored by their current families because they didn't end up on your doorstep. I used to volunteer for the RSPCA and stopped because of my experiences with the staff and how the dogs were treated and how I was treated as a volunteer who wanted to do more but wasn't allowed. And I'm talking basic stuff like feeding starving puppies. If 1 in 4 homes in this country owns a dog then heaven help them if something doesn't change to reduce the number of puppies being inappropriately and unecesarily bred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I noticed that the woman with the bichon frise was pretty much guilted for going to a breeder instead of adopting from a shelter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Gifts Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I didn't feel that Sheridan - I just felt she showed another side - someone who had done her homework on the type of dog that would suit their lifestyle. I thought they had a broad range of owners and issues, ones I agreed with or understood and ones I didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Some kudos: B. Russo. Great example of how committed people can move from a horror pound to one where all the strategies are put in place to do the best possible. Tabby (Vet) Showed difference when pound worked in with rescues. Jacqueline D. Eye witness account that money, not welfare, is king in pet stores. Tim V (AWL) Sensible use of 'Getting towards zero' as an aim. Also eye witness to puppy farming... and how light the penalties are. Michelle W (Pet Rescue) Calm and articulate, giving lie to the 'aggressiveness' claim about rescue. Nathan (Behaviorist) Another eye witness that 'temperament tests' are actually 'behaviour under high stress tests'. Angie Showed the opposite of impulse buying when she bought a p/b pup. Much research done..& she picked a breeder where the dogs & puppies were kept in a home situation. Two Ladies Up the Back. Both described socialisation needs for puppies brilliantly & pointed out that smug 300+ oddle man was not keeping the dogs in a companion dog situation... yet was selling puppies as companion pets. Less impressive: Ex-LDH bloke who complained rescuers were 'aggressive' in approaching something like the LDH. Yet admitted he had to smuggle out a dog in order to save it. Anyone for passive aggressive? Stars of the Night: The dogs! Reminders that far too many of their fellows are PTS for no good reason. Edited September 25, 2012 by mita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westiemum Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Some kudos: B. Russo. Great example of how committed people can move from a horror pound to one where all the strategies are put in place to do the best possible. Tabby (Vet) Showed difference when pound worked in with rescues. Jacqueline D. Eye witness account that money, not welfare, is king in pet stores. Tim V (AWL) Sensible use of 'Getting towards zero' as an aim. Also eye witness to puppy farming... and how light the penalties are. Michelle W (Pet Rescue) Calm and articulate, giving lie to the 'aggressiveness' claim about rescue. Nathan (Behaviorist) Another eye witness that 'temperament tests' are actually 'behaviour under high stress tests'. Angie Showed the opposite of impulse buying when she bought a p/b pup. Much research done..& she picked a breeder where the dogs & puppies were kept in a home situation. Two Ladies Up the Back. Both described socialisation needs for puppies brilliantly & pointed out that smug 300+ oddle man was not keeping the dogs in a companion dog situation... yet was selling puppies as companion pets. Less impressive: Ex-LDH bloke who complained rescuers were 'aggressive' in approaching something like the LDH. Yet admitted he had to smuggle out a dog in order to save it. Anyone for passive aggressive? Stars of the Night: The dogs! Reminders that far too many of their fellows are PTS for no good reason. Great summary Mita. Now everyone needs to get online and encourage more discussion like this to continue to educate the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Her Majesty Dogmad Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 The guy at the LDH pretty much explained how they work because he had to smuggle the dog out to save it from euthanasia ... The Auschwitz of dog shelters ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wildthing Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) As someone who has been in cat rescue for nearly 18 years, I am again disappointed that the main focus was always on the dogs. I am generally disappointed with the discussion tonight. Nothing new has been said to help solve the problem that will continue to exist long after I have died. Edited September 25, 2012 by Wildthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdie Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 at that footage................... There is no excuse for intracardial injection to euth... That dog screaming was just awful... I was disgusted.That poor dog ... RIP now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Some kudos: Two Ladies Up the Back. Both described socialisation needs for puppies brilliantly & pointed out that smug 300+ oddle man was not keeping the dogs in a companion dog situation... yet was selling puppies as companion pets. Thank you :) I was the second who questioned him re: socialisation of puppies and my friend was the first who mentioned the keeping of the breeding bitches. I had a lot more I wanted to say that night but unfortunately I was supposed to be there in an 'observational' capacity only. Couldn't keep my mouth shut at the puppy farming b##stard though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasels Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Great work Melzawelza. That doodle farmer still got off lightly tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Great work Melzawelza. That doodle farmer still got off lightly tho Absolutely. A lot of people did. ETA: And thanks! :) Edited September 25, 2012 by melzawelza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Oh that was you :) good on you. I find it very disturbing that the RSPCA temperment testing is still not explained and that a dog can fail for showing interest in a Rabbit. Both of my dogs would and as they should they are Whippets. They would also appear very stand offish and one in particular would avoid interacting with people he didn't know. How is it that two wonderful well socialised pets could fail just becasue of their crap temperment testing?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Oh that was you :) good on you. I find it very disturbing that the RSPCA temperment testing is still not explained and that a dog can fail for showing interest in a Rabbit. Both of my dogs would and as they should they are Whippets. They would also appear very stand offish and one in particular would avoid interacting with people he didn't know. How is it that two wonderful well socialised pets could fail just becasue of their crap temperment testing?????? And thus we see why they kill 51% of unclaimed animals in their care I should point out too that the editing made Steve Coleman look a lot better than he did on the night. Jenny had to really pressure him hard to get hard answers regarding what is contained in their temp test as he just kept starting with the corp-speak and spin. She had to interrupt him about four times saying 'PRACTICAL examples' before she actually got what was aired (which was still vague!). The PIAA guy threatened the girl from Animal Lib too - said that if she said some of the things on the show that she's said in the past she'll open herself up to libel in a very threatening manner. It irritated me that both of these things were not included in the final cut as both very clearly put a much clearer perspective on both men. Edited September 25, 2012 by melzawelza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasels Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Great work Melzawelza. That doodle farmer still got off lightly tho Absolutely. A lot of people did. ETA: And thanks! :) :) Yes, the topic was just to broad for the time given for discussion. It would have been a real time-saver if they'd just put some plastic horns on the bad guys! Edited September 25, 2012 by Weasels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I think it is a bit of a myth that they fail dogs for showing interest in prey? There are always plenty of dogs with "not good with cats" against their name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stellnme Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 The PIAA man said they "ask a lot of questions" when people adopt from pet shops. I thought the only question they ask was "cheque or savings?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whipitgood Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Well i wish they had asked my opinion of the RSPCA, i could have given them a horror story of my first and last time i dealt with the pack of bastards whilst fostering a cavvie mum and her babies, all of which ended up in body bags for "temperament" issues. The Cavalier mum being a puppy farm bitch, was understandably nervous and the 4 week old puppies that were euthansed for temperament issues .... well for starters who the hell temperament tests 4 week old puppies??!! It still breaks my heart. Oh that was you :) good on you. I find it very disturbing that the RSPCA temperment testing is still not explained and that a dog can fail for showing interest in a Rabbit. Both of my dogs would and as they should they are Whippets. They would also appear very stand offish and one in particular would avoid interacting with people he didn't know. How is it that two wonderful well socialised pets could fail just becasue of their crap temperment testing?????? Edited September 25, 2012 by Whipitgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leema Posted September 25, 2012 Author Share Posted September 25, 2012 I think it is a bit of a myth that they fail dogs for showing interest in prey? There are always plenty of dogs with "not good with cats" against their name. The dog can be 'interested' in cats, but it can't want to kill them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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