Guest lavendergirl Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Well i wish they had asked my opinion of the RSPCA, i could have given them a horror story of my first and last time i dealt with the pack of bastards whilst fostering a cavvie mum and her babies, all of which ended up in body bags for "temperament" issues. The Cavalier mum being a puppy farm bitch, was understandably nervous and the 4 week old puppies that were euthansed for temperament issues .... well for starters who the hell temperament tests 4 week old puppies??!! It still breaks my heart. Oh that was you :) good on you. I find it very disturbing that the RSPCA temperment testing is still not explained and that a dog can fail for showing interest in a Rabbit. Both of my dogs would and as they should they are Whippets. They would also appear very stand offish and one in particular would avoid interacting with people he didn't know. How is it that two wonderful well socialised pets could fail just becasue of their crap temperment testing?????? Oh I have always wondered what happened to little Izzy and what was left of her pups - so she was PTS? What a travesty that all was :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Well i wish they had asked my opinion of the RSPCA, i could have given them a horror story of my first and last time i dealt with the pack of bastards whilst fostering a cavvie mum and her babies, all of which ended up in body bags for "temperament" issues. The Cavalier mum being a puppy farm bitch, was understandably nervous and the 4 week old puppies that were euthansed for temperament issues .... well for starters who the hell temperament tests 4 week old puppies??!! It still breaks my heart. Oh that was you :) good on you. I find it very disturbing that the RSPCA temperment testing is still not explained and that a dog can fail for showing interest in a Rabbit. Both of my dogs would and as they should they are Whippets. They would also appear very stand offish and one in particular would avoid interacting with people he didn't know. How is it that two wonderful well socialised pets could fail just becasue of their crap temperment testing?????? Oh lord.... I remember your thread. They killed ALL of them?? Didn't you offer Izzy a home? Disgusting. I wish you were on there as well telling that story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Well i wish they had asked my opinion of the RSPCA, i could have given them a horror story of my first and last time i dealt with the pack of bastards whilst fostering a cavvie mum and her babies, all of which ended up in body bags for "temperament" issues. The Cavalier mum being a puppy farm bitch, was understandably nervous and the 4 week old puppies that were euthansed for temperament issues .... well for starters who the hell temperament tests 4 week old puppies??!! It still breaks my heart. Oh that was you :) good on you. I find it very disturbing that the RSPCA temperment testing is still not explained and that a dog can fail for showing interest in a Rabbit. Both of my dogs would and as they should they are Whippets. They would also appear very stand offish and one in particular would avoid interacting with people he didn't know. How is it that two wonderful well socialised pets could fail just becasue of their crap temperment testing?????? Oh lord.... I remember your thread. They killed ALL of them?? Didn't you offer Izzy a home? Disgusting. I wish you were on there as well telling that story. Go to the SBS Insight facebook page and post your story about Izzy! Their FB page is always open for discussion about the show Edited September 25, 2012 by minimax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Is that true? Did they seriously temp test 4 week old puppies and bump them off ? Cav pups? The fact is there are a lot of people making a lot of money out of all areas of "rescue" who have vested interest in pushing one "solution" or another . At the end of the day the question has to be what is the best solution for the dogs not them, their groups or their bank accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawnim Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) What I find really interesting about the whole pound issue is that oodles don't often end up in the pounds (well not here anyway) it's the staffy crosses, working dogs, and now the dane crosses that are pts. In saying this I would also like to make it clear that in no way do I support puppy farms or the breeding of cross breeds of any mixture. Edited September 25, 2012 by padraic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckandsteve Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 This is just not true. We are a really small rescue group, but right now we have a 2 year old Cairn Terrier, an 8 month old Maltese X and a 12 week old Shih Tzu X and a young Schnauzer looking for homes. We have just rehomed a Griffon X puppy. In the past we've have purebred Tibetan Spaniels, Whippets (several), Wire Hired Jack Russell puppies, an Australian Terrier puppy and a mother Papillion X and her wee baby. We've also taken our share of big dogs, working dogs and gorgeous indeterminate crossbreeds. I've seen some really rare breed dogs in pounds as well. Not that people only want little fluffies; people want all sorts of dogs, including high-energy types. Dogs in pounds are pretty much a representation of the population of dogs in the rest of the community. The stats also assume that a dog is a dog is a dog. Part of the problem I suspect is that the dogs that people are looking for don't often end up in pounds. Australian pounds are overflowing with high-energy, high prey drive breeds - these don't suit a lot of homes. It doesn't matter if 1 million people are looking for a low-drive, laid back, small to medium dog if there aren't a lot available in pounds/shelters. I have to agree with Megan here. I do the Mildura pound pick up, possibly the easiest pound for rescue to work with in Victoria. I have never ever left the pound without every small fluffy whatever while the Staffy Xs that have been there 2 months stay in there cages. This is the real downfall of rescue and while I know there are reasons for it, I think its what the extremists of no kill turn a blind eye to, because unless you are open door how can you claim you are no kill?? I thought the program was good but didn't go in depth enough, there are faults in boths rescue and pounds and they did a good job of pointing them out but didn't tell the general pubic what they can do to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Some kudos: Two Ladies Up the Back. Both described socialisation needs for puppies brilliantly & pointed out that smug 300+ oddle man was not keeping the dogs in a companion dog situation... yet was selling puppies as companion pets. Thank you :) I was the second who questioned him re: socialisation of puppies and my friend was the first who mentioned the keeping of the breeding bitches. I had a lot more I wanted to say that night but unfortunately I was supposed to be there in an 'observational' capacity only. Couldn't keep my mouth shut at the puppy farming b##stard though. Well done, melzawelza! And thus we see why they kill 51% of unclaimed animals in their care I should point out too that the editing made Steve Coleman look a lot better than he did on the night. Jenny had to really pressure him hard to get hard answers regarding what is contained in their temp test as he just kept starting with the corp-speak and spin. She had to interrupt him about four times saying 'PRACTICAL examples' before she actually got what was aired (which was still vague!). The PIAA guy threatened the girl from Animal Lib too - said that if she said some of the things on the show that she's said in the past she'll open herself up to libel in a very threatening manner. It irritated me that both of these things were not included in the final cut as both very clearly put a much clearer perspective on both men. Any reason for this not to go on the Insight Facebook page? The PIAA man said they "ask a lot of questions" when people adopt from pet shops. I thought the only question they ask was "cheque or savings?" That's cheque, savings or credit. I think it is a bit of a myth that they fail dogs for showing interest in prey? There are always plenty of dogs with "not good with cats" against their name. The dog can be 'interested' in cats, but it can't want to kill them. Presumably no terriers are ever rehomed by the RSPCA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Well i wish they had asked my opinion of the RSPCA, i could have given them a horror story of my first and last time i dealt with the pack of bastards whilst fostering a cavvie mum and her babies, all of which ended up in body bags for "temperament" issues. The Cavalier mum being a puppy farm bitch, was understandably nervous and the 4 week old puppies that were euthansed for temperament issues .... well for starters who the hell temperament tests 4 week old puppies??!! It still breaks my heart. Oh that was you :) good on you. I find it very disturbing that the RSPCA temperment testing is still not explained and that a dog can fail for showing interest in a Rabbit. Both of my dogs would and as they should they are Whippets. They would also appear very stand offish and one in particular would avoid interacting with people he didn't know. How is it that two wonderful well socialised pets could fail just becasue of their crap temperment testing?????? Oh lord.... I remember your thread. They killed ALL of them?? Didn't you offer Izzy a home? Disgusting. I wish you were on there as well telling that story. Go to the SBS Insight facebook page and post your story about Izzy! Their FB page is always open for discussion about the show I wish you luck. I was reading these posts Paul At Deathrowpets I think it is about time the public took RSPCA NSW to task on their denial of the success of the strategies of the NO KILL movement. They are our highest profile animal welfare charity, they get big sums of taxpayer monies, they get huge sums of donations and bequests - we have a right to expect that they TAKE THE LEAD in strategies of NO KIll. Yet, what do we get? - denial and excuses. Looking at the numbers , they are failing the animals. Is it time for the CEO to accept he is not up to the job and go back to being an Inspector? Annie Greenaway · Top Commenter Go back to being an Inspector????????? No Paul, it is time for the CEO to accept he is not up to the job and just leave, and take the current board with him! Annette Cater · University of Newcastle, Australia Paul, the RSPCA receives very little taxpayer money: less than 2% of its annual budget or enough for its shelters to remain open for about one day a year. Mikadie Joyce-Bates Annette Cater It is Govt subsidised when many many are not...and it makes a profit. It should be above reproach instead it's about the bottom line $$$$ to which i added When the now CEO was still an Inspector I was present when he and those with him promised in my hearing that "good homes would be found for them" if Marion Alcorn signed her ten mares, foals and yearlings over to the RSPCA. Daily phone calls to purchase these horses from private individuals including myself were answered with, they are not availabe for sale yet. When i rang again on Saturday morning I again received the same answer and said I KNOW they are available , I was present earlier this week when they were signed over. The lady then sighed and said, "well I expect it wont hurt to tell you, they were shipped to McGrath's Hill this morning. So I took off to bid on them, except! I was then present at McGrath's Hill saleyards when the same Inspector Coleman entered the sale ring and told all present and in particular the auctioneer that "NO ONE but the doggers are allowed to bid on these horses" he then had sent into the ring every one of Marion Alcorns pure arabian mares, foals and yearlings all bids only accepted by the auctioneer from the doggers. HOW DID THAT CONSITUTE FINDING THEM "GOOD HOMES"? Her horses were seized the same day the inspector came out to see them after receiving a complaint as to their condtion, they had only a week before been removed from a drought property and she was feeding them up they had free access to food and water yet 10 were taken immediately and the rest left behind. I do have Marion Alcorn's permission to tell this. And she is quite prepared to give evidence to the veracity of this. I then went on to say how some time later I too discovered the RSPCA do not follow protocol if they so choose. I had Inspector Donnelly arrive at my home and say a complaint had been received and needed to inspect my animals. AT no time would he tell me the nature of the complaint, the only reply I could elicit was that a letter would be in the mail. He even lifted the hen off her chicks and counted every chick. before he left I asked if there was anything he thought needed doing or fixed. Again the only reply I could elicit was that he would report to his superior and a letter would be in the mail. For those of you who may not know. You are fully entitled to know the nature of the complaint. You are fully entitled to know if there is something that needs to be done within a fortnight or you will be charged. I received neither information and was fully aware you cant fix what you do not know is broken. I contacted Alan Candlish who was at the time the Liason officer for Dogs NSW. He too was refused any information whatever. I sent a registered letter asking for the promised letters. It was signed for but no reply was received. I sent a second with same result. two weeks later my dog was stolen by Inspector Donnely while i was not home that Sunday. He was seized at 1pm that day, I still have the notice of seizure. He was held for 13 days and subjected to a minimum of 21 needle insertions, and anestitized and two skin plugs removed as well as tested for a variety of condtions one of which hyprathoridism which in the absence of any symptoms would constitute a 1 in 2 million chance of a posative, (opinion of CSIRO animal health vets) MY vet was refused permission every day by the seizing inspector to speak to the then rspca vet Mark Lowery. Yet my vet had been head vet for RSPCA Victoria for 6 years prior to Hugh Worth? only after all tests proved negative did i receive a phone call that i may come and pick my dog up, but not before i had to pay all costs incurred up to and including as my vet discovered checking though the invoice provided (which i still have, and its in a safe at a bank so they cant seize it now I have heard what they have done to others) the cost of a entire pack of 100 tablets yet my dog had only received one? tablet. All my vet could get dropped from the bill after a long conversation with Raelene Redford was the Kennel fees so I still had to pay over $500 to get back my dog whos blue gene alopecia, which needed no treatment whatever, didnt even have scurfy skin, just short soft coat along his rump and back to his shoulders and which my own vet had managed to diagnose at a total cost of $48 consultation fee and simply examining his coat? Yet according to the then Minister for Agriculture the Right Honourable Richard Amery, I should be glad that "a proper workup had been completed" that the RSPCA had done nothing outside the law, the entire distressing episode simply an "unfortunate lack of communication on both sides" so? just because they are supposed to tell you the nature of the complaint. just because you are supposed to know what the inspector thinks is a chargable offence if he chooses not to tell you and seize the object two weeks later is not acting outside the law. very comforting to know from the minister is it not? Today and then, there is still NO AVENUE of appeal when this happens and no sign of any such in the future. The RSPCA is not answerable to the government, their only requirement is to table a report of their yearly activities NOTHING ELSE. The climate encouraged by society is that to be under the scrutiny of the RSPCA you must deserve it anyway. So the vast majority of people are too scared to own up to what has happend to them and their animals. The case of Rosemary and Sam D'Agistono over their stud bull was another case in point of RSPCA ARROGANCE. a complaint was lodged by a disgruntled neighbour that their bull was tethered too short to the point of cruelty. the bull was in Gunnedah, the Inspector was in Tamworth. The inspector made no effort to come and see the conditions under which he was in. She phoned and demanded the bull be set free. It was explained the bull had a hoof infection and was under treatment and on a 25 foot tether with access to a shed with shade and feed and water while a bull yard was being finished, as he could not be turned loose as he was on hard feed being prepared for show and the irrigated paddocks were full of 6 to 9 inch high clover which would kill him if he had access to it. Yet she then sent two constables to either supervise the bull being let loose or arrest Sam and Rose and turn the bull loose. Being raised on the land they too knew to follow such and order would lead to a high risk of the bull bloating but that they HAD to follow the orders of the RSPCA Inspector. so they suggested they turn him loose and Rose keep him walking so he couldnt eat enough of the clover to risk his life while Sam finished the yard. since being in jail ment the bull was left with no one to help him if it happened. so the yard was finished about 4am the next morning and the bull safe. Rose was 65 and her husband 70 odd. she too is happy to speak to anyone about this incident. Interestingly every bit of what I posted was removed completly, some 30 minutes later. so good luck anyone who posts anything specific about them. Edited September 25, 2012 by asal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) oops double post Edited September 25, 2012 by asal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) oops triple post? are there gremlins today? Edited September 25, 2012 by asal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Well done, asal. They are answerable to no one and the NSW RSPCA, in particular, seems to be especially awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Arcane Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 how about we treat owning a dog a bit like owning a car. pass a test & attend a dog free introductory lecture before you can own one Have a tiered probationary period where each level of proven training lowers a very high initial registration compulsory liability insurance demerit point style system for proven breaches and once you've done your points you can't own another dog EVER (although in certain circumstance it could be possible to have strategies in place to keep the one you have until it passes ) Sound too tough? tough titties! The current systems aren't working. I hope one day the shelter system will be one of those distant memories, one of those 'It seemed like a good idea at the time' practices. I believe we need to take away peoples rights & choices when it comes to pet ownership, yes that means me & you too. One system for all. Several generations have just been getting better and better at using & abusing the shelter system. They have proven time & time again that they are idiots and cannot control their own behaviour. I say time for government to step in with a mighty big axe and tear peoples rights away from them. Yes, I realise these are not the only answers or the perfect solution, but history has proved that people are idiots & the current system is not effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) All you get with government regulation is the RSPCA. Oh yes, and the state of Victoria. Edited September 25, 2012 by Sheridan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Wasn't it someone associated with the RSPCA who said we need a "governing body/ombudsman" for pets? Isn't that meant to be what the RSPCA does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) good grief charlie brown? it repeated for a fourth time? what did I do wrong? Edited September 25, 2012 by asal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Well i wish they had asked my opinion of the RSPCA, i could have given them a horror story of my first and last time i dealt with the pack of bastards whilst fostering a cavvie mum and her babies, all of which ended up in body bags for "temperament" issues. The Cavalier mum being a puppy farm bitch, was understandably nervous and the 4 week old puppies that were euthansed for temperament issues .... well for starters who the hell temperament tests 4 week old puppies??!! It still breaks my heart. Oh that was you :) good on you. I find it very disturbing that the RSPCA temperment testing is still not explained and that a dog can fail for showing interest in a Rabbit. Both of my dogs would and as they should they are Whippets. They would also appear very stand offish and one in particular would avoid interacting with people he didn't know. How is it that two wonderful well socialised pets could fail just becasue of their crap temperment testing?????? Oh lord.... I remember your thread. They killed ALL of them?? Didn't you offer Izzy a home? Disgusting. I wish you were on there as well telling that story. Go to the SBS Insight facebook page and post your story about Izzy! Their FB page is always open for discussion about the show I wish you luck. asal, we get your point, can you quit the spamming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 How is asal spamming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 How is asal spamming? Posted the same thing now about 8 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 How is asal spamming? for some weird reason my orignal post repeated itself four times no idea why or how sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 How is asal spamming? Posted the same thing now about 8 times. it was scarey and weird but how about a bit of accuracy eh? or would 80,000 sound better for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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