Alkhe Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I sincerely hope that there was a differentiation made between puppyfarmers (aka commercial breeders) and registered breeders at some point. No mention of registered breeders at all the whole night Sheridan but I think it was clear what they were talking about when they discussed puppy farmers. They had the guy from Banksia Park/ACA Breeders proudly stating he has 300-400 breeding dogs on his property. I couldn't help but pipe up at that. Ooh are you the woman wiht long blondeish hair? Who talked about him not giving his breeding dogs the opportunity to live in the circumstances he was breeding puppies for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic.B Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Wow, just wow! This is great for impounded pets and the community. So many different points of view, most of them valid. Even if you didnt agree with a speaker, it was interesting to hear another view and for that to be challenged with another opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic.B Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Juice we are going to have to find a way for you to see this, you will be really interested :) I will try to put up a link, if someone else can put up a link that would be great as I have no idea with computers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valbitz Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 It isn't a link to the show but for those that missed the program it will be repeated Wednesday 1:00pm SBS ONE, Wednesday 7:30pm SBS TWO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Her Majesty Dogmad Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Could you watch it on the web? I would think so, you can watch so many of the programs on the web. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S09 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Link to the programme online on SBS website: "Insight". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic.B Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 It isn't a link to the show but for those that missed the program it will be repeated Wednesday 1:00pm SBS ONE, Wednesday 7:30pm SBS TWO I got confused On normal tv it was on channel 3, sorry for any confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic.B Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Could you watch it on the web? I would think so, you can watch so many of the programs on the web. Jane you will love it, a must see. That twit puppy farmer Collin in VIC's son was on there spruking and avoided or side stepped any questions as he couldnt answer them other than the truth and reality of what large scale commercial breeding entails. I dont think we would have been able to be quiet :laugh: everyone was very well behaved, plenty squirmed in their seats though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Her Majesty Dogmad Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Could you watch it on the web? I would think so, you can watch so many of the programs on the web. Jane you will love it, a must see. That twit puppy farmer Collin in VIC's son was on there spruking and avoided or side stepped any questions as he couldnt answer them other than the truth and reality of what large scale commercial breeding entails. I dont think we would have been able to be quiet :laugh: everyone was very well behaved, plenty squirmed in their seats though. I saw it, I was wondering about Juice watching it on the computer. I loved how Jacqueline Dalziell gave it good to the fat, greedy old fool spruiking petshops and crap about how dogs are impulse buys. He knows nothing at all, obviously. As for Mr Greedy Bast--d, the puppy farm man, I would have liked to wipe that smile off his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic.B Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Could you watch it on the web? I would think so, you can watch so many of the programs on the web. Jane you will love it, a must see. That twit puppy farmer Collin in VIC's son was on there spruking and avoided or side stepped any questions as he couldnt answer them other than the truth and reality of what large scale commercial breeding entails. I dont think we would have been able to be quiet :laugh: everyone was very well behaved, plenty squirmed in their seats though. I saw it, I was wondering about Juice watching it on the computer. I loved how Jacqueline Dalziell gave it good to the fat, greedy old fool spruiking petshops and crap about how dogs are impulse buys. He knows nothing at all, obviously. As for Mr Greedy Bast--d, the puppy farm man, I would have liked to wipe that smile off his face. Oh sorry Was that the PIAA rep? he lasted about two seconds "There is no such thing as impulse buying when people pay $1000 for a puppy" or "It takes about one hour to sell a puppy" I think he spent the rest of the time grinding his teeth with the frustration of facing the truth. No wonder he was cut off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan B Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I was so angry at the couple who bought their dog from a breeder who, they admitted, had most likely come from a puppy farm. They said they had done all their research on it but just couldn't not buy him. And then just laughed it off. And no follow-up on that at all. In fact, I think a complete lack of follow-up was what annoyed me the most. The woman who posited she was asked $900 to surrender her cat - how many average viewers are now going to think they can't surrender a pet and will, instead, just dump it for fear of being charged upwards of $1000. Glad the two Mels go their points across with the puppy farmer. Tim and Shel were also good. All in all, I'm not sure how this would've been perceived by the general public who aren't actively involved or aware of these issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkhe Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I was so angry at the couple who bought their dog from a breeder who, they admitted, had most likely come from a puppy farm. They said they had done all their research on it but just couldn't not buy him. And then just laughed it off. And no follow-up on that at all. In fact, I think a complete lack of follow-up was what annoyed me the most. The woman who posited she was asked $900 to surrender her cat - how many average viewers are now going to think they can't surrender a pet and will, instead, just dump it for fear of being charged upwards of $1000. Glad the two Mels go their points across with the puppy farmer. Tim and Shel were also good. All in all, I'm not sure how this would've been perceived by the general public who aren't actively involved or aware of these issues. I am with you on your last point. I actually think that it may have done more harm than good - I think the first half hour of the show was like watching a train wreck, and that the rescue people came across as spouting 'no kill' without having any understanding of "the reality". To your average uninterested and unaware person, the RSPCA would surely have come across as a calm, legitimate organisation fighting on both fronts, both against rescue adn then against masses of animals. Some of that may be to do with editing, too. Regardless, it's SO improtant that issues are able to be synthesised in a way that will clearly explain to people who aren't aware of them already, EXACTLY what rescue does, why it's important and why the RSPCA/LDH/etc need to up their game. I think pushing No Kill was the wrong tact for this audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Her Majesty Dogmad Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I think they covered far too many angles for far too long without achieving much, sadly. Gay guys with their pets were pointless, as was the woman who got rid of her cats. Footage of the puppy farm rescue and the Geelong Shelter were good but there was simply not enough explanation of what was going on in the Geelong Shelter for people to get it. We all know as rescuers but the average person still doesn't. It would have been good for people to see the basket loads of kittens that the RSPCA has to euthanase - I saw it once, it was very shocking, what a harsh reality. i'd like to have seen some footage from the pounds and from rescue groups. So much to cover but this didn't do it well enough. Let's hope there'll be more TV coverage, more in depth on the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I sincerely hope that there was a differentiation made between puppyfarmers (aka commercial breeders) and registered breeders at some point. No mention of registered breeders at all the whole night Sheridan but I think it was clear what they were talking about when they discussed puppy farmers. They had the guy from Banksia Park/ACA Breeders proudly stating he has 300-400 breeding dogs on his property. I couldn't help but pipe up at that. Ooh are you the woman wiht long blondeish hair? Who talked about him not giving his breeding dogs the opportunity to live in the circumstances he was breeding puppies for? That is my friend, also a Mel, who got her point across beautifully. I was the second one that came in with the left hook discussing the socialisation of the puppies themselves :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntrox Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Wish I was there to ask the puppy farmer what happens to his 300-400 dogs when they carnt reproduce any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I think Tim V was the most articulate of the night... he got his points across extremely well, in terms the average pet owner could understand. Tabby did well also - showing (with rough stats) that pounds working with rescue can turn around horrendous kill stats. Steve Coleman tred to "justify" and spin the RSPCA stats, but did a very poor job of it. The trainer bloke with the long curly hair - brilliant job of explaining some facets of the RSPCA temp testing and why so many animals fail it. The commercial breeder looked like he was thinking more about how he was going to get out of there alive than anything else... *grin* PIAA rep... not very convincing - and I doubt that 1 in 4 pet shops are members of his organisation... The 2 men with their crossbreeds... 2nd dog came from a "breeder"... *sigh* Lady with the pure Bichon Frise did very well in explaining why she opted for the dog she bought - and it appeared well tempered and well cared for. Love how she emphasised that you had to keep up with the grooming stuff. Overall, the show did come across as somewhat confusing for the average person not involved in the issues we all face in rescue. I spoke to my mother after the show, and she said that none of it was all that convincing, and she really didn't know what to think. What she was impressed with was how calmly all the opposing "sides" presented their cases - can't have been easy while sitting with people you really don't agree with in the strongest terms. Oh... and I want Miles' rottie boy... he was gorgeous! Great save Miles! T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raelene Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Glad you got those points in both Mel's. I thought overall it was very disappointing report and didn't present a great arguement for the real issues of why there are pets in the pounds - too much breeding (backyard, puppy farms, and in cases registered breeders) without a thought for the futures of the dogs, people not understanding how much effort puppies need in training and socialising so that they become good canine citizens, people not thinking about the long-term commitment of pets (ie. renting with pets and the high likelihood of changing address and not being allowed to take your pets). Is rescue the answer or does it just spread the load without getting to the crux of the issues? It also came across as let's bash the "system" (not a great thing by any stretch of the imagination) but nothing about what the system needs to deal with the never ending stream of dumped pets - money, far more resources, people working there who have an interest in the welfare of the dogs but that can also deal with the dreadful requirement to euthanase (there was a bit on this from Geelong which was positive) and also able to deal with the public who daily abuse them for their own shortcomings (dog attacks, complaints, etc), and this amazing person also needs to respect every new person who walks in the door looking for a new pet, or dropping their pet there because they rent and can't find alternative accommodation. Additional resources might divide these roles up but from what I see, most of the rangers have to be a super-person to manage all these relationships, remain "friendly and helpful to all" AND they get paid pittance to do it. No wonder there are workers that get jaded and are hard to deal with or have an attitude unbecoming to the reasons they are there in the first place - and there are few pet lovers that would want to take on a role that involves them killing the very reason they want to be employed there. There weren't a lot of great "take-away points" such as how important it is to desex your dog, train and socialise your dog, or potentially the licence for breeding (great idea but it is already the case in ACT but they don't have the staff to police it so has NIL affect), etc - a lot was all lost in the mish-mash of stories and there was little on "where to from here". Did like the point about "bond for pets". Insight did a poor job of putting the story together I thought and it likely could have been edited to be more informing than coming across more like a winge session(agree with Plan B that there was no follow up to stories presented so that you could understand the point of the stories and how they fitted in to the whole picture - which didn't help at all). R Edited September 26, 2012 by Raelene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic.B Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I thought going to be a weekly program and ongoing debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic.B Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I sincerely hope that there was a differentiation made between puppyfarmers (aka commercial breeders) and registered breeders at some point. No mention of registered breeders at all the whole night Sheridan but I think it was clear what they were talking about when they discussed puppy farmers. They had the guy from Banksia Park/ACA Breeders proudly stating he has 300-400 breeding dogs on his property. I couldn't help but pipe up at that. Ooh are you the woman wiht long blondeish hair? Who talked about him not giving his breeding dogs the opportunity to live in the circumstances he was breeding puppies for? That is my friend, also a Mel, who got her point across beautifully. I was the second one that came in with the left hook discussing the socialisation of the puppies themselves :) You guys were fantastic! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I thought going to be a weekly program and ongoing debate? Insight is a weekly program, they have a different topic each week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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