rebelsquest Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I actually do believe in desexing, when necessary. (I have never had a dog that I haven't desexed). Obviously, I am not going to get any help on this forum. You all seem to be incredibly closed minded and brainwashed by the vets that tell you you need all of these things to keep your dogs healthy. Say whatever you like in response to this, I won't be coming back. Thank you all for your time. Very broad sweeping generalisation. Some people have told you WHY you won't be able to get a pup from a registered breeder that has not been vaccinated, and not said anything about your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I have been feeding raw for years and I don't believe in annual vaccination but I've never read any research that proves that dogs should never be vaccinated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katdogs Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Do you drench or treat your cattle? Just wondering. I can see how tempting it is to have a 'natural' pup, but even if the pup never leaves your property parvo can be brought in. Horrible disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumof4girls Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 How can you do obediance or any dog sport with a non vaccinated dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Lol trust me, we are the least brainwashed bunch you will come across, we just love our dogs and don't feel the urge to put them at risk of harm unnecessarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumabaar Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) oops :) Edited September 17, 2012 by Jumabaar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumabaar Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 How can you do obediance or any dog sport with a non vaccinated dog? My clubs accept titre testing to say that they do not require vaccination. The holistic vet that I go to advocates puppy vaccination because she is up to date with current peer reviewed studies. Perhaps you could ring and chat to someone at http://www.naturalvet.com.au who would be able to talk to you about buying from a reputable breeder and the pros about puppy vaccinations- they do phone consults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I actually do believe in desexing, when necessary. (I have never had a dog that I haven't desexed). Obviously, I am not going to get any help on this forum. You all seem to be incredibly closed minded and brainwashed by the vets that tell you you need all of these things to keep your dogs healthy. Say whatever you like in response to this, I won't be coming back. Thank you all for your time. wow and how rude are you! You have been a member since April, have you not read anything in the health forum If you had bothered you would see that most of us are against excessive chemical use on our dogs and we do not believe everything some vets would like to tell us. People here gave you their time and tried to show you how it is illegal to actually do what you want and in fact might actually have an adverse effect on your pups life. But no we are the close minded ones, not you. It is far easier to prevent a pregnancy, not so easy to prevent a case of parvo, but you'll desex but not vaccinate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) I really don't want to get into a debate about vaccinations - I will say that I do not want to introduce any toxins into my dog, and I will not be vaccinating Dobby again (he was done before I adopted him, so I had no choice beforehand). If that keeps us from trialing, then I will do agility at home, and we will enjoy ourselves. Same goes for a new puppy. I believe that vaccines do FAR more harm than good, and that I have the resources to look after any issues naturally and holistically. I think most folk who've never seen a distemper or a parvo case would say that. I think there's room between no vaccinations EVER and vaccinating annually. I cannot think of any responsible breeder who'd sell you an unvaccinated pup and if you or your dogs ever leave your property or you have visitors then I'd suggest juvenile vaccination is something to consider. There's good luck when it comes to avoiding diseases like parvo and there's good management. "No toxins" is a good idea but I think it bears rethinking. You will not be permitted to train your dog at any obedience club and you'd be nuts to try to socialise your pup AT ALL off your property with no vaccinations. And as for "no toxins" - I guess this means no anaesthesia and no pain killers either? No tick serum if your dog is unlucky to have one and no antibiotics? Edited September 17, 2012 by Haredown Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corrie Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Lots of us on this forum do NOT do annual vaccinations and feed the prey model diet. It is a shame for you to go just because you didn't get the answers you wanted as there are a lot of very knowledgeable people here. If you are just after a straight answer with no opinions then I don't think you will find any forum helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I have been feeding raw for years and I don't believe in annual vaccination but I've never read any research that proves that dogs should never be vaccinated. Same. Plenty of people here don't vaccinate annually but their dogs are vaccinated as puppies to proecting them against parvovirus. Have you researched parvovirus? The only breeders you'll find are BYBs because it is cheaper to sell them without vaccinations. Those people won't test for things like TNS either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasels Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 And as for "no toxins" - I guess this means no anaesthesia and no pain killers either? No tick serum if your dog is unlucky to have one and no antibiotics? Including no anaethesia for the desexing? And all organic meat and vegetables for the dogs? And no airborne pesticides in the area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I actually do believe in desexing, when necessary. (I have never had a dog that I haven't desexed). Obviously, I am not going to get any help on this forum. You all seem to be incredibly closed minded and brainwashed by the vets that tell you you need all of these things to keep your dogs healthy. Say whatever you like in response to this, I won't be coming back. Thank you all for your time. Well, ta ta then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJean Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) The point of this is, I feed a Prey Model Raw diet, and I am anti-vaccinations, chemicals, etc. I am REALLY hoping to find a natural rearing, raw feeding breeder that does not vaccinate. Oh, and I want a Border Collie. Colour doesn't concern me at all, I just want my puppy to have the absolute best chance at having a long, healthy life. I am willing to wait to find the right breeder and the right puppy, but I figure it's not going to happen on its own, so I need to start looking, and I am not having any luck searching, so I thought I would post on here and see if anyone knows of any breeders that fit what I'm looking for. Thanks in advance! -Stef The only place you're going to find a 'natural reared' dog are in remote places from countries like Kazakh and Tajikistan ... I think you need to have a think about what many generations of worming and vaccinations do to a dog's need for natural resistance to parasites and disease ... dogs naturally reared only do well in the environmental pocket they are found in ... You in Australia are looking for a dog reared in a western environment where one piece of concrete can have thoroughfare of 1000 people and their dogs from 1000 different places ... you need such a puppy to be vaccinated and wormed. An unexposed puppy is decimated by diseases that are beyond the evolutionary pace of the current dogs' immune system. NB: By naturally reared I am referring to dogs that have for generations since time dot not had worming or vaccinations as an armor in their shield on life. fwiw there probably would be some remote pockets in Australia with bands of dogs or camp dogs that would fit this bill also - but this is very far removed from what you are looking at. You dont have to regularly vaccinate your dog, even worm once every so so is okay - but as I said, can't get a puppy that has never been wormed in its life have innate ability to cope with high level of parasites if it has not been created from similar lineage and resistance to exposure. Edited September 17, 2012 by lilli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsegal98 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I will never forget when I saw my first parvo case. It was a much loved family dog, but their owners didn't see the importance of paying for routine vet care and the poor sweetheart had never been vaccinated . They waited until the puppy was a walking corpse before bringing it in but still fought against getting him euthanized. The stench was unbelievable. People who have not been exposed firsthand to parvovirus and the way it savages dogs cannot imagine the nightmare it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 The bottom line is that is against state law and ANKC regulations to sell an unvaccinated puppy, so no reputable breeder who also health tests will sell an unvaccinated puppy. It is also a requirement to join a dog club and compete in trials that the dog has to be vaccinated so there would be no point in getting a BC you couldn't do anything with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasels Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) fwiw there probably would be some remote pockets in Australia with bands of dogs or camp dogs that would fit this bill also - but this is very far removed from what you are looking at. But these are not well dogs, and certainly don't have the life expectancy you'd want or expect from a domestic pet Many of the ones I've seen were riddled with ticks and fleas, so not dogs you'd want in your house or near your other animals either. Edit - incidently, those dogs were on an all natural diet too (from living in the wild), and between them had every parasite going Edited September 17, 2012 by Weasels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeopener Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I don't believe in vaccionations every year but puppy vaccionations are a must, I also test before vaccionations in adult dogs now to actually see if it's needed or not. To blindly decided not to vaccionate at all is irraspondsible & puts not just yours but other peoples dogs/puppies at risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisovar Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I have been feeding raw for years and I don't believe in annual vaccination but I've never read any research that proves that dogs should never be vaccinated. + 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I actually do believe in desexing, when necessary. (I have never had a dog that I haven't desexed). Obviously, I am not going to get any help on this forum. You all seem to be incredibly closed minded and brainwashed by the vets that tell you you need all of these things to keep your dogs healthy. Say whatever you like in response to this, I won't be coming back. Thank you all for your time. I don't believe in putting chemicals onto or in my dogs for no reason and I can see the benefits of being very conservative when it comes to them. However I don't consider myself to be "brain washed" when it comes to vaccination. Depending on the age of the pup, they can require as little as one vacc and then you can titre test from there. To not vaccinate at all is irresponsible and no breeder in their right mind that cares for their pups would not vaccinate at all. The only place you're going to be able to buy a pup is from a back yard breeder, that pup is not going to have parents that have been DNA tested for TNS etc and I can tell you now that feeding raw and no chemicals is not going to prevent a pup from inheriting those conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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