Blakbelgian Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Dear All, I was wondering if anyone knows what is the MAXIMUM breeding age for a Female dog in Vic? VCA site is down ATM, and I can't find much on the ANKC site. This is all I could find: From the Code of Ethics page: 14. A member shall not breed a bitch (except under extenuating circumstances) causing it to whelp more than six times without prior veterinary certification of fitness for further breeding, and without prior approval of the member’s Member Body. I know the minimum is 12 months but I am after the maximum age. Thank you BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenWei Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 (edited) I was trying to find the same thing in NSW but couldn't find anything that stated a specific age. Have known of a couple of girls being bred at over 9 years of age!!!! Edited September 16, 2012 by GoldenWei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonwoman Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Dear All, I was wondering if anyone knows what is the MAXIMUM breeding age for a Female dog in Vic? VCA site is down ATM, and I can't find much on the ANKC site. This is all I could find: From the Code of Ethics page: 14. A member shall not breed a bitch (except under extenuating circumstances) causing it to whelp more than six times without prior veterinary certification of fitness for further breeding, and without prior approval of the member’s Member Body. I know the minimum is 12 months but I am after the maximum age. Thank you BB Not sure there is one (there should be!!) just a maximum number of litters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 (edited) It is too difficult to set a max age. What is it for a bitch who will live to be 17 or 18? The litter number rule is probably fairer and more equitable. Edited September 16, 2012 by Jed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Doglady0419 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 (edited) Dear All, I was wondering if anyone knows what is the MAXIMUM breeding age for a Female dog in Vic? VCA site is down ATM, and I can't find much on the ANKC site. This is all I could find: From the Code of Ethics page: 14. A member shall not breed a bitch (except under extenuating circumstances) causing it to whelp more than six times without prior veterinary certification of fitness for further breeding, and without prior approval of the members Member Body. I know the minimum is 12 months but I am after the maximum age. Thank you BB It's 7yrs old to my knowledge and then a vet certificate to be produced to Dogs Vic indicating health and fitness of the bitch. Two litters to be bred within 18mths. Edited September 16, 2012 by Doglady0419 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tralee Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Currently there is no upper limit. Although the UK has introduced a maximum age of 8, so watch out as it may be adopted here as well. Following the regulations it is possible to schedule a breeding program of six litters under the age of 8. Nevertheless, you should take note of the requirement for vigilance and diligence in veterinary checks and approval after the second litter. Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 An upper limit is too restrictive due to the varying life span of different breeds. You would't breed a 8-9 year old giant breed but it is fine for most medium to small breeds. The health of the bitch is far more important than her age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 It is too difficult to set a max age. What is it for a bitch who will live to be 17 or 18? The litter number rule is probably fairer and more equitable. yes so much more fair. my chihuahua girl bluey had seven "litters" just before this rule came in. so i got 7 pups the first six "litters"comprised one boy in each "litter" and the last "litter" was my long awaited bitch pup. my friends golden retriever in her six "litters" had 14 to 18 pups with and average of 16. total puppies born? for the math's challenged thats 96 puppies. yes very equitable all right. when I objected to the unfairness of such a blanket rule with no regard to the number of puppies born to toy breeds was told to the gratful for what I got. bit like those who didnt have docked breeds leaving the ones with the docked breeds with no backing when the tried to argue some breeds are better off docked. as one who has a friend with an undocked boxer and my kneecap knocked clean off its rightful place three times before i learned to run for safety, Ive no wonder why people prefer that baseball bat removed no Ive never had a docked breed. but now steer very clear of boxers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelsun Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I thought it was 6 in Vic with any litters after that needing vet certificate for health status? I agree what people are saying, to have a blanket rule about maximum is ridiculous....but they won't listen, just the same as they didn't when they brought in new minimum ages, without consultation of registered breeders for those breeds being changed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonwoman Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I thought it was 6 in Vic with any litters after that needing vet certificate for health status? I agree what people are saying, to have a blanket rule about maximum is ridiculous....but they won't listen, just the same as they didn't when they brought in new minimum ages, without consultation of registered breeders for those breeds being changed... Breed clubs and individuals from breeds without clubs were asked to submit their ideas. Not all did. There is provision for changing ages, quite easy, and some breeds already have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I thought it was 6 in Vic with any litters after that needing vet certificate for health status? I agree what people are saying, to have a blanket rule about maximum is ridiculous....but they won't listen, just the same as they didn't when they brought in new minimum ages, without consultation of registered breeders for those breeds being changed... Breed clubs and individuals from breeds without clubs were asked to submit their ideas. Not all did. There is provision for changing ages, quite easy, and some breeds already have Yes, it was the breeders who set the minimum ages in Vic but it should have been repro specialists who were consulted. Some breeders get caught up in the emotional side of things. These types of decisions should only be decided with clear scientific evidence of what is best for the bitch and most repro specialists will tell you to breed them young 1-3 years and them once a year, rather that wait until their show career is over and wonder why they don't conceive or leave them 4 years between litters as we tend to do because we don't need another litter yet. What is best for the breeder with their moral beliefs and what is best for the bitch are often very different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blakbelgian Posted September 18, 2012 Author Share Posted September 18, 2012 Thank you for the replies. Just wondering as we may have one last litter from our girl. Sounds like a letter from the vet to confirm her health status may needed with the litter reg form IF we decide to mate her gain. She just wont give us a nice female pup she usually has two boys one girl even when mated to outstanding males conformation wise and excellent pedigrees. Maybe we should use a mediocre male with mediocre pedigree next time???? Just another quick question: Would a fresh AI at her age be better than natural mating to increase her chance of more than two pups? She is very healthy and never had a problem mating or whelping. Thank you BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
becks Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Currently there is no upper limit. Although the UK has introduced a maximum age of 8, so watch out as it may be adopted here as well. Following the regulations it is possible to schedule a breeding program of six litters under the age of 8. Nevertheless, you should take note of the requirement for vigilance and diligence in veterinary checks and approval after the second litter. Regards. Age 8 has been around a long time, what,s new is dropping the number of litters to 4 from 6. I am shocked some think they need to breed a bitch more then this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I thought it was 6 in Vic with any litters after that needing vet certificate for health status? I agree what people are saying, to have a blanket rule about maximum is ridiculous....but they won't listen, just the same as they didn't when they brought in new minimum ages, without consultation of registered breeders for those breeds being changed... Breed clubs and individuals from breeds without clubs were asked to submit their ideas. Not all did. There is provision for changing ages, quite easy, and some breeds already have Yes, it was the breeders who set the minimum ages in Vic but it should have been repro specialists who were consulted. Some breeders get caught up in the emotional side of things. These types of decisions should only be decided with clear scientific evidence of what is best for the bitch and most repro specialists will tell you to breed them young 1-3 years and them once a year, rather that wait until their show career is over and wonder why they don't conceive or leave them 4 years between litters as we tend to do because we don't need another litter yet. What is best for the breeder with their moral beliefs and what is best for the bitch are often very different things. Yes, that is my vets opinion, trouble is when so many breeders think of their dog as a child decisions made do not reflect best practice even for a child. doctors are constantly reminding women that the younger they have their children the less danger and complications for them and the child. same applies to dogs but being seen to be "ethical" and pleasing the ignorant majority is more important than best practice. Unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Thank you for the replies. Just wondering as we may have one last litter from our girl. Sounds like a letter from the vet to confirm her health status may needed with the litter reg form IF we decide to mate her gain. She just wont give us a nice female pup she usually has two boys one girl even when mated to outstanding males conformation wise and excellent pedigrees. Maybe we should use a mediocre male with mediocre pedigree next time???? Just another quick question: Would a fresh AI at her age be better than natural mating to increase her chance of more than two pups? She is very healthy and never had a problem mating or whelping. Thank you BB In my experience natural matings always give a better chance of larger numbers than an AI. Maybe do both. If she had an unplanned mating she would probably have ten. :laugh: Also when you desex her you may find that one horn of her uterus is abnormal. That happened with a bitch I bred many years ago who only had small litters. The litters were small because she was only carrying them in one horn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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