Sighthounds Don't Need Health Testing

[murve]

Whats wrong with this person, bloody rocks in her head I know where there is a gorgeous boy for sale from a Reg breeder, she is a friend of mine,

I'd rather pay $950 for a limited reg pup, that I know has it's needles m/chipping etc

BYB now can be reported to their local councils & DPI, in particular if No Vac's & m/chipping are done, it is also against the law to advertise pups For Sale with out m/chipping no's

SaddleNot Included :: I would let your friend know about the new Laws/Legislation they are on the DPI site

[Kirislin]

I know of a woman who is breeding pedigrees and I think they will sell for $1000 and will have pedigree papers, microchip, vaccination and ongoing lifetime support.

If that's in vic, could you PM me the prefix? Are the pups desexed, or do they get a desex voucher?

is the BYB giving a desex voucher or desexing first as well? They're not even vaccinating!

I have no idea if the reg breeder is offering to pay for desexing, but you seem to be expecting alot. Another thing to consider is registered breeders often have a stud fee to pay, often over $1000 while the BYB usually pays nothing.

Edited August 28, 2012 by Kirislin

[Kirislin]

Excellent, thank you everyone.

I've passed along the info and she said she'll think about it.

Including first vaccination and microchipping {no desexing, other vacs, worm or flea treatment}, she's paying $950 for the backyard bred pup. I told her she's being ripped off by about $950, but we'll see what she does. I'm still sending her links to rego breeders, hope it catches!

Wow - $950 for an unpapered pup. I can think of ANKC breeders who sell pups for less than that.

Agree with the other posters. Few if any inheritable health problems occur in Whippets. You hear occasionally of epilepsy (which has no health test) and there have been a few incidences of heart issues (confined to one line that I'm aware of). There are a few breeders that check hearts but that's about it.

Of course, if you don't know the pedigree behind the pup, then knowing the lines behind it and the potential issues becomes completely impossible.

They are generally more healthy than many breeds but there are problems popping up, perhaps more than you realise. I think to say only one line of whippets in Australia have heart issues is wrong too, how can you define that one line when dogs are being sold and bred all over the country. I know Sarsanet bought a beautiful young pup only to wake up and find it dead on her bed from a heart problem.

Undescended testes is another problem that many breeders either shrug off or in the case of a very well known breeder here in Vic, deny.

I have only bred 2 litters and the last one was 8 years ago, before health testing was considered in whippets. In the first litter I had one with a puppy heart murmur which was gone by 3months. All of that litter are still alive 10 years later.

The second litter, one died from some kind of immune disease, one has a deformed leg, although it's never been confirmed if it was a birth defect, one has epilepsy (although not severe), one has mitral valve disease and also had an undescended testicle. Oh, and one has a very dodgy temperament, but I'm not sure, might be something the owner may have caused. Needless to say all are now desexed.

I know this has developed into a thread about whippets but as it's titled sighthounds I believe Pannus is in Greyhounds.

Edited August 28, 2012 by Kirislin

[Rebanne]

I know this has developed into a thread about whippets but as it's titled sighthounds I believe Pannus is in Greyhounds.

in race bred greyhounds. Not in show bred greyhounds. But race bred don't have greyhound neuropathy which is in show bred and thankfully has a test.

In greyhounds there is only the test for neuropathy, nothing else. Some things that seem more common in race bred are not so much in show bred and visa versa, even allowing for the differences in breed numbers. But many of the health problems that may crop up are not specific to any one breed. On the whole sighthounds do seem to have the least genetic problems but regardless there is no way I would buy from someone who charges extra to vaccinate the pup and not when you can go to a registered breeder and buy a pup for $600 as seen on the DOL breed page which I posted a link to previously.

[Sarsanet]

I know of a woman who is breeding pedigrees and I think they will sell for $1000 and will have pedigree papers, microchip, vaccination and ongoing lifetime support.

If that's in vic, could you PM me the prefix? Are the pups desexed, or do they get a desex voucher?

is the BYB giving a desex voucher or desexing first as well? They're not even vaccinating!

I have no idea if the reg breeder is offering to pay for desexing, but you seem to be expecting alot. Another thing to consider is registered breeders often have a stud fee to pay, often over $1000 while the BYB usually pays nothing.

I am the whippet breeder Kirislin in referring to. My prefix is Sarsanet, my puppies are due during the first week in October & an advance litter notice is in the whippet puppy section of DOL which tells you all about them. My puppies are $1000.00. each & come with a complusory desexing requirement & no, I don't give any money back for this. They will be listed on Dogs Victoria's Limited Register, they shall have all their vaccinations, be wormed every fortnight from 4 weeks of age, born & bred inside the house, socialised with other dogs, adults & children, fed on the best food money can buy & I give, free of charge, a lifetime breeder support to you & the puppy. It is now Victorian law to microchip a puppy before it goes to its new home. If you think about buying a puppy from a breeder who doesn't do this, you should run a mile as fast & as soon as you possibly can because they are breaking the law. You can't register the puppy with your local council unless it is microchipped so that will be an extra cost to you.

My puppies are not available to just anyone who wants them. They are bred from top imported English bloodlines & $1,000.00. each comes no-where close to the actual cost to breed them, raise them to 8 weeks of age & advertise them etc. etc. They are available only to special homes where they will be loved & cared for as well as they would have been if they'd stayed here. Anyone who is interested is welcome to contact me but please understand more people want my puppies than actually get one so I am very fussy where they go. I give my puppies the best of everything & that includes the homes I sell them to. I breed only when I need another dog to show. I keep just one so the others are sold because I cannot keep them all. Not only do I breed for a show quality puppy for myself but also for the best of health & temperament so they will fit easily into pet homes. I don't breed for profit.

[SkySoaringMagpie]

There is no breed where things are so perfect that one does not need to consider health questions carefully in a breeding program. My breed is often the one that is used as the example of "things are fine". Even Pedigree Dogs Exposed used my breed as an example of a healthy pedigree dog. However, there are health problems in Salukis. They are not dire, but there are lines that will routinely die before 10 years of age of heart failure or cancer. Is that what a companion buyer really wants?

I would choose a breeder who tests for the basics (heart, thyroid, vet check) and shows you the original results from the vet over a breeder who claims that nothing is necessary or a breeder who makes grandiose claims about health that are not backed with the documentation or science. And as others have pointed out in this thread, there are breed specific sighthound issues that a honest person in the breed will identify and comment on for the lines they are using.