bslsux Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 The requirements for a restricted breed is much more than just muzzles. They essentially cut the dog off from all socialisation with people and other animals and have the dog living in a cage. While I understand your sentiment, this summary of life as a restricted breed isn't true. The dog is allowed to play in it's yard if you're there. They don't need to live in a cage and can stay locked in their house when their owner is out, providing that it meets security restrictions (ie you can't leave a window opening that the dog can fit through). RB dogs can go to training, can meet other dogs and people etc, they just need to do it with a muzzle and special leash. It's not the life I'd want for my dog, but it isn't condemning a dog to a life of misery either. Whilst that sounds reasonable, a Council can make up their own rules. The legislation allows for it. The legislation also allows for a Council to refuse to renew a RBD's registration if they so desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 The requirements for a restricted breed is much more than just muzzles. They essentially cut the dog off from all socialisation with people and other animals and have the dog living in a cage. While I understand your sentiment, this summary of life as a restricted breed isn't true. The dog is allowed to play in it's yard if you're there. They don't need to live in a cage and can stay locked in their house when their owner is out, providing that it meets security restrictions (ie you can't leave a window opening that the dog can fit through). RB dogs can go to training, can meet other dogs and people etc, they just need to do it with a muzzle and special leash. It's not the life I'd want for my dog, but it isn't condemning a dog to a life of misery either. Whilst that sounds reasonable, a Council can make up their own rules. The legislation allows for it. The legislation also allows for a Council to refuse to renew a RBD's registration if they so desire. This is a very good point. I will be surprised if Ballarat Council allow his registration to be renewed next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huck house Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 ' Don't come complaining to the rest of us when that does happen If you're going to be supportive of breaking the law, you can't be surprised when governments bring in tougher laws to fix the problem of lack of compliance. ' These people are preserving your right to own and manage the breed of your choice . Bad laws need contesting not compliance .I think Ballarat council will regret being so ruthless acting on their powers and won't pursue Butch or other innocent dogs so readily next time . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Except they're clearly not fixing a lack of compliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddy Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 ' Don't come complaining to the rest of us when that does happen If you're going to be supportive of breaking the law, you can't be surprised when governments bring in tougher laws to fix the problem of lack of compliance. ' These people are preserving your right to own and manage the breed of your choice . Bad laws need contesting not compliance .I think Ballarat council will regret being so ruthless acting on their powers and won't pursue Butch or other innocent dogs so readily next time . There is a difference between contesting a law and simply breaking a law because it does not suit you. And as for other people breaking laws to protect my right to own my chosen breed.. no. Just no. Breaking laws makes dog owners in general look less responsible. You are harming all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobbly Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) Breaking laws makes dog owners in general look less responsible. You are harming all of us. That is a completely moronic assertion. Does someone speeding make all car drivers in general look less responsible? You are not only failing to support law reform, you are an active obstacle to it. Civil disobedience, has been and continues to be one of the most effective methods of instigating law reform. Go argue with Martin Luther King Jr, Thomas Jefferson, Thoreau etc... I'll leave you with some of their ideas to ponder. There comes a time when a moral man can't obey a law which his conscience tells him is unjust. - Martin Luther King, Jr. An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law. - Martin Luther King Jr. If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so. - Thomas Jefferson Edited August 23, 2012 by Wobbly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 That is a completely moronic assertion. Does someone speeding make all car drivers in general look less responsible? You're obviously not a P-plater, tarred with the brush of all the moronic things some P-platers choose to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Breaking laws makes dog owners in general look less responsible. You are harming all of us. That is a completely moronic assertion. Does someone speeding make all car drivers in general look less responsible? You are not only failing to support law reform, you are an active obstacle to it. Civil disobedience, has been and continues to be one of the most effective methods of instigating law reform. Go argue with Martin Luther King Jr, Thomas Jefferson, Thoreau etc... I'll leave you with some of their ideas to ponder. There comes a time when a moral man can't obey a law which his conscience tells him is unjust. - Martin Luther King, Jr. An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law. - Martin Luther King Jr. If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so. - Thomas Jefferson Exactly. I guess we should all sit idly by if certain races are discriminated against as well because 'that's the law'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Breaking laws makes dog owners in general look less responsible. You are harming all of us. That is a completely moronic assertion. Does someone speeding make all car drivers in general look less responsible? You are not only failing to support law reform, you are an active obstacle to it. Civil disobedience, has been and continues to be one of the most effective methods of instigating law reform. Go argue with Martin Luther King Jr, Thomas Jefferson, Thoreau etc... I'll leave you with some of their ideas to ponder. There comes a time when a moral man can't obey a law which his conscience tells him is unjust. - Martin Luther King, Jr. An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law. - Martin Luther King Jr. If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so. - Thomas Jefferson Exactly. I guess we should all sit idly by if certain races are discriminated against as well because 'that's the law'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobbly Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) You're obviously not a P-plater, tarred with the brush of all the moronic things some P-platers choose to do! Haha I have actually been a P plate driver for more years than I can count now, at least 10. I'm always in such a hurry to get my license renewed I never have time to sit the test for a full license. I abide by the P plate laws, not simply because they are laws, but because they are eminently sensible protocols, not only for new drivers, but for everyone sharing the road. Edited August 23, 2012 by Wobbly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 That is a completely moronic assertion. Does someone speeding make all car drivers in general look less responsible? You're obviously not a P-plater, tarred with the brush of all the moronic things some P-platers choose to do! Which has the direct result of insurance being much higher for P-platers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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