dandybrush Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 (edited) the news article says they are 2 pit bulls and a bull terrier cross. the dogs have been found and seized woop! I hope the owners are not allowed to own another dog!! I dont like pit bulls or pitbull types but that doesnt mean they shouldnt be legal, in the hands of owners who are responsible they are no threat at all i hate irresponsible owners Edited August 10, 2012 by dandybrush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffyluv Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 1344582961[/url]' post='5925429']I cannot believe some of the posts in here. This is disgusting, disgraceful, irresponsible behaviour on the part of the attacking dogs owners and utterly devastating for the owners of the killed and injured dog. I just saw footage of the cocker spaniel on the news- it had at least 2 drains in it that i could see. But who cares, can't have been that bad of an attack right. Disgusting. I don't know how much it costs to train a guide dog in Victoria but according to the WA Guide Dogs website, it's around $30,000. That should be the minimum cost of the fine. I agree, not to mention the cost of independence of Matilda's owner.. It can take a long time to match up dog and owner... I can't imagine the horror of being in this situation. Years ago, Ollie and I were bailed up by a big dog and that was scary enough.. Being attacked or watching (trying to defend) as your own animal is attacked by 4 others would be so incredibly traumatic... I wish there was jail time for the owners of the attacking dogs... After they hold their dogs while they are PTS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymatejack Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 http://www.3aw.com.a..._Policedogs.mp3 and an interview with a police representative and the mayor of the associated council. The cop said it was a bit hard to say the second dog was mauled due to the very minor injuries inflicted. Everyone is saying mauled, cop says minor injuries... Because all cops are qualified vets ya know... Until you get a dog to the vet and shaved down how the hell would you know HOW injured it was. And here's the thing.. the OTHER dog is dead!! Seriously, if it wasn't for the name of the breed in the media headlines, would people be trying to play this thing down? 4 offlead out of control dogs pin one dog, and chase a guide dog worth $$$$ and the eyes for a person onto a road and people say "its not serious?". Owners grab dogs and do a runner and that's no biggie? I don't give a toss what breeds were involved. Some people are seriously out of line with this one. Have you people ever HAD a dog attacked? Minor injuries or not, its effing terrifying. 4 dogs going yours.... it is NOT a minor event for that person. I'm not sure whether you and others are having a crack at me, but to be clear, i was not trying to trivialise what happened, i was just providing the news as it was being reported. If you look at my first post i said something like "i hope the owner of the attacking dogs face serious consequences for what happened" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxiewolf Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 *groan* I in no way intended to trivialise the attack, okay perhaps "Startled" was the wrong word (And at No point did I say the attack "Wasn't Serious" or "Not that Bad"). But the media should get their wording more Accurate, reading that headline and the picture they put with it simply read as the Guide Dog was Mauled to Death by the Pit Bulls... so already before you have began to read the story Joe Public's Mind is made up - Even if it accurately read "Guide Dog is Killed by Car Fleeing Attacking Dogs" that would have been better. I am not a no breed can do no wrong advocate, I am just tired of seeing the word "Pit Bull" dragged over every attack story involving a dog. If it was the 1980's it would say German Shepherds. The Fact that this horrible tragic incident even Happened is just proof that stupid (IMO Lazy) laws that target dogs on their looks obviously aren't working. To me it still comes back to councils, not doing enough to ensure that people keeping dogs have sufficient containment and control over their animals, they seem to have so much money to throw around on these new laws why are there not more council officers out there beating the street? How long where these dogs out before this happened? - How preventable was this sickening attack? - its like that attack recently in Broken Hill, the owner said the dogs had never hurt anyone, of course they had also not been let run loose in a pack situation either. I am glad to read that the owners and the dogs have been apprehended, and that the dogs will be destroyed... but too little too late, doesn't undo the injuries the little cavvy sustained or bring back an invaluable dog like Matilda to her companion (or fill the void in her owners life). And I cant imagine the pathetic punishment that will be layed out against the owners... it will be pale in comparison to the damage their actions caused, especially when one reads the pale sentences being given out for murder charges as of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymatejack Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 http://news.ninemsn.com.au/video.aspx Channel 9 news report that the council have confirmed that they were registered dangerous dogs(not restricted breed). Assuming this is correct, the owners should be facing massive penalties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosmum Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 (edited) I supose they could possibly have escaped from containment some how,unbeiliavable this situation to allowed to be a possibility. A nightmare for all those touched by this. Edited August 10, 2012 by moosmum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 http://news.ninemsn.com.au/video.aspx Channel 9 news report that the council have confirmed that they were registered dangerous dogs(not restricted breed). Assuming this is correct, the owners should be facing massive penalties Apparently they were pitbulls... but are not restricted.. how is this if they are registered in Victoria? especially if they were registered dangerous?... (not questioning your statement mymatejack) For all the pitbull haters out there, this fuels their fire. But in reality, irresponsible ownership not breed has lead to more heartache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymatejack Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 (edited) http://news.ninemsn.com.au/video.aspx Channel 9 news report that the council have confirmed that they were registered dangerous dogs(not restricted breed). Assuming this is correct, the owners should be facing massive penalties Apparently they were pitbulls... but are not restricted.. how is this if they are registered in Victoria? especially if they were registered dangerous?... (not questioning your statement mymatejack) For all the pitbull haters out there, this fuels their fire. But in reality, irresponsible ownership not breed has lead to more heartache. Again for clarity, that is not my statement, that is what was reported on the news - well the news stated they were registered dangerous dogs, it said nothing about the council confirming they were restricted breed ETA : the link to the news report is in my post Edited August 10, 2012 by mymatejack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 I'd just like to say as a pit bull advocate and enthusiast that I am disgusted by the attitudes of those trivialising this incident. There are those of us fighting against BSL and for effective animal control that do not feel this way and do not excuse this kind of incident. It should NEVER have happened and is completely unacceptable. Poor Matilda. How devastating All I'll say in regards to breed (whether they are or they aren't), is this is just further evidence of the complete fail of BSL. Melbourne has had BSL for ten years, yet all the worst supposed 'pit bull' attacks are coming out of there. When will they protect the public and actually implement effective legislation that is PROVEN to work rather than sinking hundreds of thousands of dollars into what is proven NOT to work?! Effective legislation may have prevented Matilda's death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 1344600059[/url]' post='5925709']I'd just like to say as a pit bull advocate and enthusiast that I am disgusted by the attitudes of those trivialising this incident. There are those of us fighting against BSL and for effective animal control that do not feel this way and do not excuse this kind of incident. It should NEVER have happened and is completely unacceptable. Poor Matilda. How devastating All I'll say in regards to breed (whether they are or they aren't), is this is just further evidence of the complete fail of BSL. Melbourne has had BSL for ten years, yet all the worst supposed 'pit bull' attacks are coming out of there. When will they protect the public and actually implement effective legislation that is PROVEN to work rather than sinking hundreds of thousands of dollars into what is proven NOT to work?! Effective legislation may have prevented Matilda's death. In what way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 1344600059[/url]' post='5925709']I'd just like to say as a pit bull advocate and enthusiast that I am disgusted by the attitudes of those trivialising this incident. There are those of us fighting against BSL and for effective animal control that do not feel this way and do not excuse this kind of incident. It should NEVER have happened and is completely unacceptable. Poor Matilda. How devastating All I'll say in regards to breed (whether they are or they aren't), is this is just further evidence of the complete fail of BSL. Melbourne has had BSL for ten years, yet all the worst supposed 'pit bull' attacks are coming out of there. When will they protect the public and actually implement effective legislation that is PROVEN to work rather than sinking hundreds of thousands of dollars into what is proven NOT to work?! Effective legislation may have prevented Matilda's death. In what way? The AVA have released their paper on Dangerous dog policy and legislative framework just this week based on intensive research on effective animal management. It is science-based and the outcomes proposed are proven to be effective. You can read it here if you wish: http://www.ava.com.au/newsarticle/dangerous-dogs-%E2%80%93-sensible-solution We will never know of course, hence why I used the word 'may', but if legislation and education like this had been in place in VIC, maybe these dogs would have been adequately socialised, or adequately contained, or adequately trained. Maybe they wouldn't have become dangerous in the first place or maybe they would have but legislation would have picked it up early and prevented this from happening. At the end of the day, legislation such as described in this paper DOES reduce dog attacks, whereas BSL doesn't. This case is a prime example of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Especially tragic for the guide dog's owner. We all love our dogs, but loosing the animal you depend on for sight must be devastating. With respect to laws, it might make sense to regard free roaming packs of two or more dogs as dangerous, regardless of breed, regardless of prior history . . . and to encourage public reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pockets Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Everytime I read a heading in here about a dog attack, I always find it disappointing and find myself shaking my head at so many ludicrous comments What a tragic series of events two very innocent dogs pay the price for HUMAN stupidity !!!! Pit Bulls and Bull x breeds need to be wiped out, sorry to say I used to argue till I was blue in the face with people about "blame the deed not the breed" but there comes a time when you throw your hands up in the air and admit defeat I 100% agree that these breeds can be loyal and loving companions in the right responsible home, but in the wrong hands, a very head strong and high drive breed can be devastating .....society today is just not equipped nor educated enough to deal with these breeds anymore the irresponsible unfortunately outweigh the responsible ... RIP Sweet Maggie, a sad end to your truly amazing and selfless life Fingers crossed for Bosley xxxxxxxxxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Everytime I read a heading in here about a dog attack, I always find it disappointing and find myself shaking my head at so many ludicrous comments What a tragic series of events two very innocent dogs pay the price for HUMAN stupidity !!!! Pit Bulls and Bull x breeds need to be wiped out, sorry to say I used to argue till I was blue in the face with people about "blame the deed not the breed" but there comes a time when you throw your hands up in the air and admit defeat I 100% agree that these breeds can be loyal and loving companions in the right responsible home, but in the wrong hands, a very head strong and high drive breed can be devastating .....society today is just not equipped nor educated enough to deal with these breeds anymore the irresponsible unfortunately outweigh the responsible ... RIP Sweet Maggie, a sad end to your truly amazing and selfless life Fingers crossed for Bosley xxxxxxxxxxxx Pockets, you are entitled to your views in regards to the breed but if you read the paper I have linked above you will find that all attempts to ever wipe them out have resulted in no improvements in dog attacks - in Australia or the whole world. Areas that have used legislative framework such as proposed in the paper have seen a marked decrease in incidents like this one without focusing on breed. We are all entitled to our opinions and we all have breeds that we like and don't like, and the most important thing is we all despair when we hear about these incidents happening. Our hearts break for all the victims, human and canine. Because our hearts break and we want to see this end, we need to look to what is PROVEN to work, not continue to push what is PROVEN ineffective. If we want to see these sorts of attacks on the decrease we need to all support documents such as this paper and bring it to the attention of the policy makers in our areas. Incidents like this should NEVER happen, and it is sickening that our policy makers ignore proven solutions and pursue 'popular' legislation that doesn't work. They'll never wipe them out mate, regardless if what you say is 100% true. It just doesn't work. So lets push the real solutions and move towards a day where these sorts of incidents are few and far between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymatejack Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Everytime I read a heading in here about a dog attack, I always find it disappointing and find myself shaking my head at so many ludicrous comments What a tragic series of events two very innocent dogs pay the price for HUMAN stupidity !!!! Pit Bulls and Bull x breeds need to be wiped out, sorry to say I used to argue till I was blue in the face with people about "blame the deed not the breed" but there comes a time when you throw your hands up in the air and admit defeat I 100% agree that these breeds can be loyal and loving companions in the right responsible home, but in the wrong hands, a very head strong and high drive breed can be devastating .....society today is just not equipped nor educated enough to deal with these breeds anymore the irresponsible unfortunately outweigh the responsible ... RIP Sweet Maggie, a sad end to your truly amazing and selfless life Fingers crossed for Bosley xxxxxxxxxxxx Obviously you'll be advocating that golden retrievers should be wiped out also? http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8228648/pet-dog-mauls-four-in-sydney Monash university researcher has shown that out of 33 dog attack deaths since 1979, only 2 were attributed to american pitbulls or there crosses, including last years tragic event Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Pit Bulls and Bull x breeds need to be wiped out Hmmm... dogs which have attacked me and dogs I was training/ walking have been in the number of 5 or 6 very different breeds .. none of them bull breeds. The firearms laws/amnesty has helped make these harder for law abiding folks to keep and use , but the illegal ones are still very much present and being used. Publicly removing certain dog breeds completely would take years ,and would encourage a flourishing 'black market' trade in these breeds , I think...and dogs being kept in poor conditions, as they are hidden from the public eye . society today is just not equipped nor educated enough to deal with these breeds anymore many in society , I agree. Most people now do not have 'dog sense' anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Publicly removing certain dog breeds completely would take years ,and would encourage a flourishing 'black market' trade in these breeds , I think...and dogs being kept in poor conditions, as they are hidden from the public eye You're absolutely correct Persephone, and there's no 'would' about it. It's already happening and in enormous numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 there's no 'would' about it. It's already happening and in enormous numbers. glad I live under a rock, far from 'civilisation' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pockets Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 No I personally don't like the Pit Bull Breed or any cross bull breed for that matter, however I don't like many breeds and that's solely because they would not be suitable for me to own for various reasons. Nothing to do with events such as these :) This even comes after a bull breed x attacked my brothers GSD pup, ripping him in the throat and pinning him to the ground screaming... Or the Bull Breed crosses that pulled my in laws boxer through the fence and tore his face and leg to shreds causing him to almost bleed to death, and ending up with an amputating to his front leg Or the other time a work collegues Bull Breed attacked and mauled its own mate, resulting in a leg amputation and intensive care... So as much as you want to throw statistics around about reported dog attacks and death...neither of the above incidences were reported in the media, so statistics ad far as that's concerned mean nothing as there would be many many attacks that go unreported by the media .... Again, i am not anti any breed..... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pockets Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 There will never be a solution no matter which way the cookie crumbles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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