tobie Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I found this on another forum that I frequent the owner of the dogs pts posted a link to it on the forum. Apparently these dogs were also pts by rifle which the owner is naturally devasted about and is complaining to coucil about. http://www.theguardian.com.au/news/local/news/general/pound-investigation-underway/2645551.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I think the only outcome here is that the pound will now tell people surrendering their animals that they'll get pts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I don't know about Vic but in NSW surrenders have always been able to be pts the day they come in. When I worked taking surrenders for the main AWL shelter in Sydney about 20 years ago, dogs and cats were pts the day they arrived if they weren't chosen to be rehomed. There was always more animals than space so those with the greatest chance of being rehomed went to the kennels and the rest were pts that afternoon. I used to tell people what would happen but it never deterred even one from surrendering their animal. The same applied to the pound but they kept even less than we did because they had to hold all the strays for 7 days, so surrenders didn't get much chance. Now both the AWL and the pound have much bigger facilities and can hold more dogs than they used to. I just have no idea why anyone would expect the pound to hold their dogs for them until they could bail them out? That is just not how the system works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobie Posted August 8, 2012 Author Share Posted August 8, 2012 I don't know about Vic but in NSW surrenders have always been able to be pts the day they come in. When I worked taking surrenders for the main AWL shelter in Sydney about 20 years ago, dogs and cats were pts the day they arrived if they weren't chosen to be rehomed. There was always more animals than space so those with the greatest chance of being rehomed went to the kennels and the rest were pts that afternoon. I used to tell people what would happen but it never deterred even one from surrendering their animal. The same applied to the pound but they kept even less than we did because they had to hold all the strays for 7 days, so surrenders didn't get much chance. Now both the AWL and the pound have much bigger facilities and can hold more dogs than they used to. I just have no idea why anyone would expect the pound to hold their dogs for them until they could bail them out? That is just not how the system works. 100% agree with you. From what the owner has written on the other forum she is claiming to have been told they would not be destroyed for 9 days. I think if someone did say that to her they are very irresponsible cause anyone that works in a pound knows that can be impossible if you get an influx in dogs. I have always told people the same as you have once they are surrendered they no longer have ownership or rights to the animal and it can be pts at anytime. Sadly like you this has deterred no one from surrendering. The owner of the dogs should have put them in a boarding kennel until they resolved the problem if she did not want them pts. It makes me wonder what her reaction would have been if the dogs were rehomed as it seems from her forum posts she has no understanding of the meaning of surrendering ownership which should have been explained at the time of surrender. My biggest concern about all this is whether or not they were destroyed by rifle as the owner claims, as I do not agree with this method of euthanasia when there are more humane options available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I just have no idea why anyone would expect the pound to hold their dogs for them until they could bail them out? That is just not how the system works. That's what i'm thinking. It doesn't make sense. Maybe she dropped the dog off but overnight had second thoughts. Surely if she was just wanting them to mind the dog for a few days she would have told them that and i would have thought they would have said a big fat no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I need to correct something. A rifle is a very humane method of euth if the person doing it is a good shot. They know nothing and far quicker than a needle. It is only more upsetting for the humans involved, but please don't start the shooting is cruel hysteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I need to correct something. A rifle is a very humane method of euth if the person doing it is a good shot. They know nothing and far quicker than a needle. It is only more upsetting for the humans involved, but please don't start the shooting is cruel hysteria. Again I don't know the law in Vic but it is illegal for pounds to pts by anything other than lethal injection in NSW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 In the pound I worked at (VIC) surrendered animals would be assessed the same day they were surrendered and could be PTS that same day. All owners surrendering would be told this in no uncertain terms, but you know how many would come back saying they weren't? At least a third. Just a case of the guilts. She dropped her dogs off at the Pound and now she wants to blame anyone else for the fact they're dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 In the pound I worked at (VIC) surrendered animals would be assessed the same day they were surrendered and could be PTS that same day. All owners surrendering would be told this in no uncertain terms, but you know how many would come back saying they weren't? At least a third. Just a case of the guilts. She dropped her dogs off at the Pound and now she wants to blame anyone else for the fact they're dead. This ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisovar Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I don't know how Vic works but here the owner has to read & sign the surrender form which clearly states they are signing ownership of their animal over to the Council and that the council then has the authority to dispose of the animal as it sees fit. I have seen some cases where it has been a very emotional signover and the Council have held off on the animal for up to 48 hours just in case. Legally however they are under no obligation to do so and when the pound is full or the animals are not considered to be likely rehomers then they will be destroyed by close of business. A pound is not a shelter or a rescue it is a Pound, and so many people simply fail to understand that their animal has a very good chance of being destroyed. You can tell them but many seem to disregard it to ease their guilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 (edited) Yes Crisovar it was the same in VIC. I have also seen councils hold dogs for an extra day in some circumstances. That is why we were so clear to them when they handed the dog in. I used to say it about three times, and it was "Oh yes that's fine, I understand, s/he'll be fine". I used to reiterate that dogs can sometimes act differently in a stressful situation and that they needed to be prepared for the worst, but no, they knew better..... I would suggest they rehome the dog themselves to increase its chances, but that was too much work.... Then when things didn't go as they told themselves they would, we were the ones copping the abuse. Edited August 9, 2012 by Aussie3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 The "ex" owners have no rigt to complain, as once they surrender an animal, they become just that and the dog is no longer theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Pounds are not free boarding kennels. Why was she in a rented property that didn't allow dogs? caught out? Saying the cattle would be hard to rehome sounds about right too. People just don't believe the reality when they drop them off, i have watched many stand in the pound being told its pts day and their dog will die, they don't give a shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Pounds are not free boarding kennels. Why was she in a rented property that didn't allow dogs? caught out? Saying the cattle would be hard to rehome sounds about right too. People just don't believe the reality when they drop them off, i have watched many stand in the pound being told its pts day and their dog will die, they don't give a shit. The denial is amazing juice. I remember flat out saying to people "your dog will not pass, it will be PTS today", and they're still saying "Oh no no, she'll be fine once she calms down", as the poor dog is standing there terrified and snapping at the staff They just won't accept it. Even when you give them other options ie: rescue, rehoming themselves etc. We even had people coming in saying they needed to rehome their dog as it bit their child, we had to actually tell them that no, if they don't want a dog that bites, why do they think someone else would??! They actually think it's fine to just rehome a biting dog. The ignorance is astonishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbie_tabbie Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Pounds are not free boarding kennels. Why was she in a rented property that didn't allow dogs? caught out? Saying the cattle would be hard to rehome sounds about right too. People just don't believe the reality when they drop them off, i have watched many stand in the pound being told its pts day and their dog will die, they don't give a shit. The denial is amazing juice. I remember flat out saying to people "your dog will not pass, it will be PTS today", and they're still saying "Oh no no, she'll be fine once she calms down", as the poor dog is standing there terrified and snapping at the staff They just won't accept it. Even when you give them other options ie: rescue, rehoming themselves etc. We even had people coming in saying they needed to rehome their dog as it bit their child, we had to actually tell them that no, if they don't want a dog that bites, why do they think someone else would??! They actually think it's fine to just rehome a biting dog. The ignorance is astonishing. It's not ignorance, it's people not willing to take responsibility. They can't man up and have the dog pts themselves so they shift the blame. Of course it's the abandoned, scared dog that suffers In this case why not take the dogs to a boarding kennels?! Or speak to a rescue asap? Surely you know if you have to move somewhere you can't have dogs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbesotted Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 In the pound I worked at (VIC) surrendered animals would be assessed the same day they were surrendered and could be PTS that same day. All owners surrendering would be told this in no uncertain terms, but you know how many would come back saying they weren't? At least a third. Just a case of the guilts. She dropped her dogs off at the Pound and now she wants to blame anyone else for the fact they're dead. This ^ this ^ by 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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