Pit Bull Blitz A Losing Battle For Councils

[sandgrubber]

Pugluvr- it is not just pit bulls or pit bull crosses though. It is ANY dog who meets the criteria set down by the DPI. Meaning that a dog could be a Staffy x Labrador (so neither breeder nor owner would think twice about the legislation- it's just for pit bulls they think) and still meet the criteria.

Good to hear a fair share of condemned dogs are winning their cases . . . and that it's costing government agencies big time to try to enforce this rediculous legislation

Another absurdity, if you want a REALLY big, bad, mean terror of a dog to suit your macho style, you can cross a dog-fight bred pit bull with a large, aggressive dog of some sort, and come out with something that would pass the Vic standard. Am I right in thinking they still haven't released pictures of the dog who killed Ayen Chol? If, as commonly alleged, he was a pit bull x mastiff, it's quite likely he would have been too big to get nabbed under the Vic legislation.

Even if you support BSL, you have to agree it is highly problematic when it comes to enforcement, and pretty much un-enforcable when it comes to cross breeds.

Pseudo BSL based on appearance is just plain stupid.

[m-sass]

Pseudo BSL based on appearance is just plain stupid.

I would be plain stupid to expect people to believe the dog pictured here is a Cocker Spaniel? Apperance is in 99% in all cases how everyone determines breed, so how can we all accept on a daily we basis we think to ourselves "oh there is a GSD, a Lab, what ever what ever", but the council is not allowed to thing "oh there's a Pitbull"??

[Ronda]

AN Australian bulldog that bit the face of a nine-year-old boy as he peered over a fence at Port Lincoln has been put down.

Problem is it's always the same crap involved 9 times out of 10, whatever an Australian Bulldog is, but another "good" dog that can't determine what's a threat and what isn't like little Ayen's killer, what was last weeks, oh another Mastiff X thing that breaks it's collar, kills a little dog, injures another and bites a lady........seriously what do these mongrels think they are protecting for the necessity to kill and people can't understand why laws are tightening up on these "type" of dogs

Dogs with serious foggy headed aggression are hard to handle and difficult to train for novice or irresponsible owners and although I agree in principal that the deed should over ride the breed, but some innocent person or other animal will be the recipient of the deed for action to follow and preventing the deed caused by these half arsed breedings is what scooping up this type of dog is about to save the innocent recipients of the deed from suffering.

So we don't agree with the random BYB's breeding crap dogs, but we are supposed to fight to save their products??, we either support BYB's or we don't and sorry I don't, I hate them passionately and always have done whether they are farming pet shop oodles or producing junk yard guard dogs they are all the same dogs with a different leg action.

Dogs can be territorial. Kid should not have been sticking his head over the fence. The media reports whatever gets a headline that is why its always pitbulls did this and pitbulls did that. You'll never hear of chihuahua bit child on the face and child required stitches at hospital. The bulldog that you mention may have been the friendliest dog when out in public, but didn't like strangers in his yard. You'll never know because the media is too focused on the fact that it bit some one. Also if the laws are over turned that will allow ethical responsible breeders to start breeding quality dogs.

[Ronda]

Pseudo BSL based on appearance is just plain stupid.

I would be plain stupid to expect people to believe the dog pictured here is a Cocker Spaniel? Apperance is in 99% in all cases how everyone determines breed, so how can we all accept on a daily we basis we think to ourselves "oh there is a GSD, a Lab, what ever what ever", but the council is not allowed to thing "oh there's a Pitbull"??

They want to include pit-bull crosses as well. It is near impossible to tell what a cross breed has in it. Name of the law should be changed to "Appearance Specific Legislation".

[Zhou Xuanyao]

I would be plain stupid to expect people to believe the dog pictured here is a Cocker Spaniel? Apperance is in 99% in all cases how everyone determines breed, so how can we all accept on a daily we basis we think to ourselves "oh there is a GSD, a Lab, what ever what ever", but the council is not allowed to thing "oh there's a Pitbull"??

They are allowed, that's the problem.

The difference is, if I point out a dog and announce that it's x breed, it doesn't facilitate the removal of that dog from it's owners and it's subsequent destruction. If a council (among the minority that pay any attention to BSL legislation) make such a call, I for one insist on firm evidence as the consequence of their judgement is ostensibly graver than the consequence of yours or mine.

[m-sass]

Dogs can be territorial. Kid should not have been sticking his head over the fence. The media reports whatever gets a headline that is why its always pitbulls did this and pitbulls did that. You'll never hear of chihuahua bit child on the face and child required stitches at hospital. The bulldog that you mention may have been the friendliest dog when out in public, but didn't like strangers in his yard. You'll never know because the media is too focused on the fact that it bit some one. Also if the laws are over turned that will allow ethical responsible breeders to start breeding quality dogs.

The sensationalism I see in bite reports by the media amounts to the damage inflicted and the reason I think Pitbull type dogs appear more often than other breeds is that they do the most damage to make a story out of. There have been other breeds involved in the more serious attacks, we had the Labrador last year who attacked 4 people, we have had a couple of Husky type dogs, a Rotty maybe the Chihauhua bites that required a bandaid and kiss from mummy to make it all better doesn't create media ratings, but I don't think by any means if a Miniture Poodle killed a baby in it's pram that the incident wouldn't reach the media, it would be on the front page as Ayen Cohl's death appeared just the same.

[mymatejack]

Hey m-sass, according to a researcher at Monash university, there have been 33 deaths in Australia by dog attack since 1979. Of those only 2 have been caused by pitbulls or pitbull crosses(including Ayen Chol). How do you possibly justify your hatred?

ETA : can you please explain what you believe is "gameness" as you clearly think this trait is a major problem

Edited July 25, 2012 by mymatejack

[m-sass]

Hey m-sass, according to a researcher at Monash university, there have been 33 deaths in Australia by dog attack since 1979. Of those only 2 have been caused by pitbulls or pitbull crosses(including Ayen Chol). How do you possibly justify your hatred?

ETA : can you please explain what you believe is "gameness" as you clearly think this trait is a major problem

Perhaps you should consider passing the information regarding the Monash university research onto the Victorian government, if that's already been done, the information doesn't seem to have provided a BSL resolution?

Gameness in a dog is a trait I consider as an uncontrollable state of active aggression without fear of consequence.

[mymatejack]

edit : i'll try that again later

Edited July 25, 2012 by mymatejack

[Jade~Harley~Bella]

AN Australian bulldog that bit the face of a nine-year-old boy as he peered over a fence at Port Lincoln has been put down.

Problem is it's always the same crap involved 9 times out of 10, whatever an Australian Bulldog is, but another "good" dog that can't determine what's a threat and what isn't like little Ayen's killer, what was last weeks, oh another Mastiff X thing that breaks it's collar, kills a little dog, injures another and bites a lady........seriously what do these mongrels think they are protecting for the necessity to kill and people can't understand why laws are tightening up on these "type" of dogs

Dogs with serious foggy headed aggression are hard to handle and difficult to train for novice or irresponsible owners and although I agree in principal that the deed should over ride the breed, but some innocent person or other animal will be the recipient of the deed for action to follow and preventing the deed caused by these half arsed breedings is what scooping up this type of dog is about to save the innocent recipients of the deed from suffering.

So we don't agree with the random BYB's breeding crap dogs, but we are supposed to fight to save their products??, we either support BYB's or we don't and sorry I don't, I hate them passionately and always have done whether they are farming pet shop oodles or producing junk yard guard dogs they are all the same dogs with a different leg action.

So I suppose this http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/story/143478/puppy-killed-by-vicious-dalmatian/ is just a one off attack by a non aggressive breed so it is okay? Because Dali's heads aren't normally foggy with aggression.

We aren't fighting to save BYBers and their over bred dogs. We are fighting to save certain breeds of dogs who are being discriminated against based on appearance. BYB's over breed many breeds of dogs, that isn't going to stop until legislation changes. You may not like bull breeds, but that is no reason for them to be eradicated.

Laws like this are just the beginning It is bull breeds now, what is going to be next? Your head just seems to me to be foggy with hatred, maybe you need to channel your aggression into fighting BSL with the rest of us.

[TheCheekyMonster]

AN Australian bulldog that bit the face of a nine-year-old boy as he peered over a fence at Port Lincoln has been put down.

Problem is it's always the same crap involved 9 times out of 10, whatever an Australian Bulldog is, but another "good" dog that can't determine what's a threat and what isn't like little Ayen's killer, what was last weeks, oh another Mastiff X thing that breaks it's collar, kills a little dog, injures another and bites a lady........seriously what do these mongrels think they are protecting for the necessity to kill and people can't understand why laws are tightening up on these "type" of dogs

Dogs with serious foggy headed aggression are hard to handle and difficult to train for novice or irresponsible owners and although I agree in principal that the deed should over ride the breed, but some innocent person or other animal will be the recipient of the deed for action to follow and preventing the deed caused by these half arsed breedings is what scooping up this type of dog is about to save the innocent recipients of the deed from suffering.

So we don't agree with the random BYB's breeding crap dogs, but we are supposed to fight to save their products??, we either support BYB's or we don't and sorry I don't, I hate them passionately and always have done whether they are farming pet shop oodles or producing junk yard guard dogs they are all the same dogs with a different leg action.

So I suppose this http://www.dailyadve...ious-dalmatian/ is just a one off attack by a non aggressive breed so it is okay? Because Dali's heads aren't normally foggy with aggression.

We aren't fighting to save BYBers and their over bred dogs. We are fighting to save certain breeds of dogs who are being discriminated against based on appearance. BYB's over breed many breeds of dogs, that isn't going to stop until legislation changes. You may not like bull breeds, but that is no reason for them to be eradicated.

Laws like this are just the beginning It is bull breeds now, what is going to be next? Your head just seems to me to be foggy with hatred, maybe you need to channel your aggression into fighting BSL with the rest of us.

I have seen more territorial and dog reactive Dalmatians than pits or pit x in my life..... its one thing that happens when you dont breed for temperament or positively socialise your dog with other dogs and humans...and might I add, DOGS DO NOT HAVE TO LIKE OTHER DOGS OR PEOPLE!! that is a demand HUMANS place on them and it is totally unnatural, But once again thats how an owner chooses to bring up that dog and not the dogs fault, my dally and my pit love dogs and people, unless they are drunks or violent, or want to mount them :) every dog will bite, you just need to find its trigger.

My dalmatian is the most submissive thing you will ever meet, has never bitten in his life, except when his paw got stuck in the fridge door and I tried to help him get it out.. he bit me, was that anything to blame him for? no he was in pain it was his only reaction HE IS A DOG it is their only defense.

Edited July 25, 2012 by TheCheekyMonster

[Puppoochi]

The idiots that churn these dogs out are accountable yes.

The idiots that then go and buy their tough guy dog from one of these idiots are equally accountable.

And yes, ignorance is no excuse where the law is concerned.

Why is it so easy to acquire a tough dog?

Anti BSL campaigners are always so quick to gang up and tear people down.

I've been on this forum before suggesting to make it more difficult to own certain types of dogs, but you all didn't want to hear that.

I'd like to know what strategies anti BSL people have come up with so the general community is able to feel safe around potentially dangerous dogs.

I have a friend that owns a pitty and he even says himself that his dog will kill mine given the chance. He's very dog aggressive, and he's not the first dog aggressive one I've met.

It's all well and good to go on about the reasons as to why BSL isn't working, what is your solution?

[Dame Aussie]

I don't think it's so easy to just say there is one solution. My solution would be more education and information regarding dog ownership, esp socialisation.

This is what you don't seem to get....the dogs being killed have done NOTHING WRONG. How is killing friendly dogs keeping people safe? Easy answer. It's not.

You believe the hysterical media and think that if only there were no pit bulls we'd all be safe. This is utter nonsense.

Edited July 26, 2012 by Aussie3

[Puppoochi]

I don't think it's so easy to just say there is one solution. My solution would be more education and information regarding dog ownership, esp socialisation.

This is what you don't seem to get....the dogs being killed have done NOTHING WRONG. How is killing friendly dogs keeping people safe? Easy answer. It's not.

You believe the hysterical media and think that if only there were no pit bulls we'd all be safe. This is utter nonsense.

There YOU are telling me what I am believing, and in the next sentence what you believe me to believe is utter nonsense.

What a lovely comment and such a great contribution. Congratulations, well done!!!

[Jed]

Hey m-sass, according to a researcher at Monash university, there have been 33 deaths in Australia by dog attack since 1979. Of those only 2 have been caused by pitbulls or pitbull crosses(including Ayen Chol). How do you possibly justify your hatred?

ETA : can you please explain what you believe is "gameness" as you clearly think this trait is a major problem

No death in Australia can be attributed to a pitbull.

The death of Mrs Stringer in Toowoomba, was caused by a dog, identified by a knowledgable dog person, as a crossbred - labrador crossed with a bull and terrier breed, I think was the id. The dog was obtained from the pound by the owner, who said he"would make it savage". And he did.

The dog which killen Ayen Chol has not, as far as I am aware, been identified by anyone except the newspaper. Was there an official identification in the court process?

So - as far as I know, still no death attributable to an APBT.

Labradors and German Shepherd and boxers and their crosses were always higher up the bite list than pitbulls. Not sure what the list is now, but I'll bet it hasn't changed much.

Blame the deed, not the breed.

[Jed]

The idiots that churn these dogs out are accountable yes.

The idiots that then go and buy their tough guy dog from one of these idiots are equally accountable.

And yes, ignorance is no excuse where the law is concerned.

Why is it so easy to acquire a tough dog?

Anti BSL campaigners are always so quick to gang up and tear people down.

I've been on this forum before suggesting to make it more difficult to own certain types of dogs, but you all didn't want to hear that.

I'd like to know what strategies anti BSL people have come up with so the general community is able to feel safe around potentially dangerous dogs.

I have a friend that owns a pitty and he even says himself that his dog will kill mine given the chance. He's very dog aggressive, and he's not the first dog aggressive one I've met.

It's all well and good to go on about the reasons as to why BSL isn't working, what is your solution?

If councils enforced existing laws - not pitbull laws - about unleashed dogs, unfenced dogs, and dog attacks there would be no problem. However, they are too busy running around snatching supposed pitbulls to actually properly enforce the laws. Read the forums here and see how many bad dogs are out there, and how little the councils have done to contain or remove them.

The solution is in all our hands. Firstly, you report your friend's dog to the council, owning a dog like that is a problem waiting to happen. Any dog which is dog aggressive does not belong in public, no matter what breed. A GSD or a Mastiff could be just as dangerous.

We should all report problematical dogs - and annoy councils until they do something about them.'

Pitbulls have been targeted in Qld for years - I don't suppose there are too many remaining. Yet the bite stats have not reduced.

Edited July 26, 2012 by Jed

[trinabean]

Hey m-sass, according to a researcher at Monash university, there have been 33 deaths in Australia by dog attack since 1979. Of those only 2 have been caused by pitbulls or pitbull crosses(including Ayen Chol). How do you possibly justify your hatred?

ETA : can you please explain what you believe is "gameness" as you clearly think this trait is a major problem

This might be the Monash Uni. article you were referring to Mymatejack? My link

[Dame Aussie]

I don't think it's so easy to just say there is one solution. My solution would be more education and information regarding dog ownership, esp socialisation.

This is what you don't seem to get....the dogs being killed have done NOTHING WRONG. How is killing friendly dogs keeping people safe? Easy answer. It's not.

You believe the hysterical media and think that if only there were no pit bulls we'd all be safe. This is utter nonsense.

There YOU are telling me what I am believing, and in the next sentence what you believe me to believe is utter nonsense.

What a lovely comment and such a great contribution. Congratulations, well done!!!

It sounded like you support BSL which is why I said you. If I'm incorrect in thinking that you can change it to they :)

[Puppoochi]

The idiots that churn these dogs out are accountable yes.

The idiots that then go and buy their tough guy dog from one of these idiots are equally accountable.

And yes, ignorance is no excuse where the law is concerned.

Why is it so easy to acquire a tough dog?

Anti BSL campaigners are always so quick to gang up and tear people down.

I've been on this forum before suggesting to make it more difficult to own certain types of dogs, but you all didn't want to hear that.

I'd like to know what strategies anti BSL people have come up with so the general community is able to feel safe around potentially dangerous dogs.

I have a friend that owns a pitty and he even says himself that his dog will kill mine given the chance. He's very dog aggressive, and he's not the first dog aggressive one I've met.

It's all well and good to go on about the reasons as to why BSL isn't working, what is your solution?

If councils enforced existing laws - not pitbull laws - about unleashed dogs, unfenced dogs, and dog attacks there would be no problem. However, they are too busy running around snatching supposed pitbulls to actually properly enforce the laws. Read the forums here and see how many bad dogs are out there, and how little the councils have done to contain or remove them.

The solution is in all our hands. Firstly, you report your friend's dog to the council, owning a dog like that is a problem waiting to happen. Any dog which is dog aggressive does not belong in public, no matter what breed. A GSD or a Mastiff could be just as dangerous.

We should all report problematical dogs - and annoy councils until they do something about them.'

Pitbulls have been targeted in Qld for years - I don't suppose there are too many remaining. Yet the bite stats have not reduced.

The dog is not in public and I will NOT report my friend for having the dog. The dog is confined to the property and is a much loved family pet that has done no harm as far as I'm aware of. I do not however bring my dogs to his house.

[TheCheekyMonster]

Might I just add these dogs are not "tough" a pitbull or pitbull mix is not a "tough" dog what a silly remark, its like saying small breeds are yappy and bloody annoying, or all small breeds have little dog syndrome thus must be put down because you never know when a Chihuahua is going to run out of its yard and puncture your ankle! TOTAL GENERALISATION AND LOAD OF CROCH S*#T.