Sa News Dog Mauled Pts & Owner Bitten

[grumpette]

Aggressive dogs are not just owned by bogans and they are not only bull breeds.

In my neighbourhood the three most aggressive dogs are owned by three different families, two of which are peace loving free spirit types who believe their pure breed human aggrssive/dog aggressive kelpie, their dog aggressive BC x lab and their dog aggressive terrier bitsa are allowed to roam freely, should not be contained on their prperty, because they always come back, and should not be walked on a lead, including accompanying them to community events with no lead.

In fact, the community minded peace loving free spirit's dog aggressive BC x lab attacked Zeph and myself in the main street outside the post office yesterday. Zeph was on his lead and sat beside me as commanded while we were standing in the main street and the local senior police officer is yelling from the police station to put your dog on a lead. The moron knows that Serious does not like dogs bigger than her, especially black dogs, so where was the bloody lead, around his shoulder.

Sorry I am really pissed of by moronic dog owners who think they know it all and make walking my dogs an absolute nightmare.

This guy is an absolute tool who will have another "tough dog" by the end of the week and will have learnt nothing. Good luck to his dog owning neighbours.

[Lhok]

The way the guy acted when interviewed on Sunrise reminded me of this series I have been watching on youtube about people with large powerful dogs in the UK

Here is the link to it if anyone would like to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6jIJz93J28

editing to add that the series is pretty confronting in some parts

--Lhok

Edited July 12, 2012 by Lhok

[Sheridan]

You're so predictable, m-sass.

And look, here's m-sass to tell us how vicious, nasty and aggressive crossbreeds are. So very predictable.

[m-sass]

You're so predictable, m-sass.

Well, I stand by my opinion that we will be a long time waiting for a Labrador or a Standard Poodle to be reported in a killing rampage upon passive targets??. Breed and breeding has everything to do with genetic aggression unfotunately??.

I don't think poodles are represented at all in bite statistics, and I would bet that would have to do with the type of person who owns them.

Labradors figure much higher in the bite statistics in Aus than pitbulls ... and always have done. Labradors mostly belong to reasonable, responsible people, but once they decide they will bite, they are worth watching.

In this case, I would apportion 98% of blame to the bogan owner, who provided no training, and didn't have the wit to see that a $1.50 plastic collar with studs from the $2 shop was NEVER going to hold that dog ... if he was the one in the Sunrise video. But he would have bought it for the studs, not the strength (oh, and the price!!)

People seem to have no respect these days. He had none for the other poor dog or its owner, or his own dog. Almost not quite human

I had a DA Lab from a poor breeding Jed, sire was DA also and withdrawn from showing because of the DA and made into a stud dog instead, wonderful, lets reproduce the DA trait is what happened Having said that though, I didn't have prey driven gameness in the Lab, he would beat up on dogs in close proximity but the point is, I agree it's the owners resposibility to effectively control dogs with aggressive traits, but the trait is in the dog's genetics and even a moron can't easily make a stable dog DA without the genetic component present. I would proportion 99.9% of the blame in the dog's genetics as the cause in this case and 100% blame towards the owner for mismanagment of a crap dog.

It's easy for people to think what a wonderful job they have done raising a good stable dog that hasn't got an aggressive bone in it's body genetically, but try raising a genetically aggressive dog and see how much work is involved in doing so to keep the community safe.

[m-sass]

You're so predictable, m-sass.

And look, here's m-sass to tell us how vicious, nasty and aggressive crossbreeds are. So very predictable.

The dog in this case is a piece of crap, you know that as well as I do, sure it broke it's collar straining and lunging on the leash to do the deed on an innocent poor old passive dog minding it's business. We know the owner stuffed up and dog owners even the best can stuff up, my point is when we do stuff up with a good stable dog on the end of the leash, this type of needless loss of life and trauma doesn't happen, with a crap dog in this case look at the result

Let's have a look at the breeding on this dog oh, a BYB excellently renowned for recorded heritage.....what was this dog's grand father like and what character type is expected of a Mastiff X who knows what.....I will just look that breed mixture up for the character standard Personally I would LOVE to see breeders put under the spotlight and answer the cause to breeding rubbish, putting just anything together with the breeding insight that male and female makes puppies makes me sick, I am over it completely

[Sheridan]

You're so predictable, m-sass.

And look, here's m-sass to tell us how vicious, nasty and aggressive crossbreeds are. So very predictable.

The dog in this case is a piece of crap, you know that as well as I do, sure it broke it's collar straining and lunging on the leash to do the deed on an innocent poor old passive dog minding it's business. We know the owner stuffed up and dog owners even the best can stuff up, my point is when we do stuff up with a good stable dog on the end of the leash, this type of needless loss of life and trauma doesn't happen, with a crap dog in this case look at the result

Let's have a look at the breeding on this dog oh, a BYB excellently renowned for recorded heritage.....what was this dog's grand father like and what character type is expected of a Mastiff X who knows what.....I will just look that breed mixture up for the character standard Personally I would LOVE to see breeders put under the spotlight and answer the cause to breeding rubbish, putting just anything together with the breeding insight that male and female makes puppies makes me sick, I am over it completely

And it may not have anything to do with his background at all because here's the thing, m-sass: you have no idea what this dog's breeding was. Nary a clue. None whatsoever. Unless you know the person concerned, you couldn't possibly know anything other than what has been in the press. Give it up, your posts are nonsensical.

[m-sass]

You're so predictable, m-sass.

And look, here's m-sass to tell us how vicious, nasty and aggressive crossbreeds are. So very predictable.

The dog in this case is a piece of crap, you know that as well as I do, sure it broke it's collar straining and lunging on the leash to do the deed on an innocent poor old passive dog minding it's business. We know the owner stuffed up and dog owners even the best can stuff up, my point is when we do stuff up with a good stable dog on the end of the leash, this type of needless loss of life and trauma doesn't happen, with a crap dog in this case look at the result

Let's have a look at the breeding on this dog oh, a BYB excellently renowned for recorded heritage.....what was this dog's grand father like and what character type is expected of a Mastiff X who knows what.....I will just look that breed mixture up for the character standard Personally I would LOVE to see breeders put under the spotlight and answer the cause to breeding rubbish, putting just anything together with the breeding insight that male and female makes puppies makes me sick, I am over it completely

And it may not have anything to do with his background at all because here's the thing, m-sass: you have no idea what this dog's breeding was. Nary a clue. None whatsoever. Unless you know the person concerned, you couldn't possibly know anything other than what has been in the press. Give it up, your posts are nonsensical.

The breeding result is in the outcome of the situation, but of course moron owners have this magical talent of making good and well bred stable dogs aggressive........funny that specialised trainers never have that magical talent to turn dogs genetically lacking in traits into police and security dogs but morons can albiet they can bearly train a dog to sit on command but they can make killing machines, it's nonesense. The reason the morons have these dogs is that they don't need training to be aggressive, they are aggressive genetically killing through natural instinct. Yes, with counter conditioning, good training and management, naturally aggressive dogs can be controlled to a point with behaviour modification, but you can't change the genetic traits of the dog.

Even the old "hit with sticks, unsocialised, chained up" theories on aggressive dog behaviour, aggressive reactivity has to be genetically in the dog's character for this type of treatment to bring it out, most will shut down to this treatment, few will come out in strong defence drive unless fight is in the dog's genetics to begin with. Security people are caught out all the time on a global front using dogs trained in bitesports for protection, these dogs will all bite on command to a point but when challenged many back down, shut down and run away, they genetically lack fight, courage and gameness which can't be trained into a dog that doesn't have the genetic capacity.

Untrained dogs that kill purely from instinct don't belong in the community and neither do the breeders of such dogs who sell to any moron who wants one and the authorities need to clean up where all this originates being the morons who breed dogs like this IMHO

[mixeduppup]

Actually M-sass...that hit with sticks thing. I know of a dog that came from VERY good and stable temp lines and was abused as a pup and became aggressive towards people. Someone took her on and rehabbed her and low and behold she lived to a ripe old age not even curling a lip. Yes some dogs are predisposed to aggressive tendencies more than others but this has NOTHING and I repeat NOTHING to do with the breed of dog or even who bred it. Especially in this case when we have no idea WHAT the dog is breed wise and its temperament lineage. But what we can do is make an educated guess that the owner is a thug/idiot/bogan that has less dog knowledge than a rock and even if he had access to said knowledge he'd have nowhere to keep it. We can ascertain from his general manner, the obvious untrained dog dragging him out of his yard on the film, his general look, what he said and how he said it, that this dog had no direction, possibly abused, no one caring about his psychological welfare, some insecure moron having a tough looking dog as a status symbol and his general disregard for anyone's welfare including the dead dog, that this animal had no chance in hell of becoming anything else than what he became and trust me, ANY breed can turn out like that, genetically predisposed to aggression or NOT. If an idiot like this owns it.

[nawnim]

Deleted because probably not of interest to anybody

Edited July 12, 2012 by padraic

[Brennan's Mum]

It's shitty for Pistols owner that the dogs collar broke but why would anyone walk a large powerful young dog while they have a broken foot? I guess hindsight is a wonderful thing, but honestly!

That was my first thought. Very sad, tragic event . RIP to the poor dog that died. I can't begin to imagine how the poor owner of the deceased dog is feeling

[mixeduppup]

I doubt he has a broken foot, probably just a sprain and if he's able to walk ti then he's able to hobble after it, not just go "oh well" and walk home.

[sumosmum]

You're so predictable, m-sass.

Agree. Totally.

And just for the record, myself and my dog were attacked, injured and traumatised by a purebred Lab. Yes, and to top it off, it was a Customs Dog, so there goes that theory out the door. All documented by the Council and the police. I own a SBT and he was so scared, he wet himself. The carer ran away, leaving the dog attacking us.

That poor woman and poor little dog. What a moron the guy who owned the dog was. The worry is that he will get another dog.

I don't know where the dogs nsw guy got the idea that in Victoria they are looking at individual dogs and not breeds. It is the total opposite. We have the worse laws imaginable and many innocent dogs have been destroyed just this year.

[*kirty*]

I was bailed up by a HA purebred Lab once too. Nasty creature he was.

I have two crossbred dogs sleeping next to my bed right now, both seniors, both from questionable breeding and neither has ever shown any aggression. There are far more crossbred dogs in this country than purebreds (whether we like it or not) and most of them have normal, stable temperaments. There is good and bad in everything.

[nawnim]

So sorry stellnme. I was just responding to another post in this thread.

Edited: Really sorry to stellnme this time. I totally misunderstood her post.

Edited July 16, 2012 by padraic

[stellnme]

Makes you wonder about the thought patterns of some people - how could he manage a strong breed of dog with a broken/sprained foot and why would he think he could. The poor little dog and owner, what horrific images she would have to cope with.

Off topic, Padraic, but your little dogs are sweet!

[Ninjato]

Hi all, newbie here.

As a owner of several larger breed dogs over my 46 years including Staffy (purebred, female), boxer x rottie (male), British bull dog x Staffy (male) and an Akita (purebred, male) ALL were lovely natured, WELL socialised, obediance trained and not aggressive! This sad situation with Pistol and Benji is a combination of many factors.

The loss of Benji in this way sickens me, we now own a Bichon (yes a fluffy white, small bundle of energy that I love dearly) and could not imagine the owners grief in her loss.

Mind you, our bichon Ben has to be the most aggessive dog I've ever owned, inspite of puppy classes, being desexed, getting to level 5 obedience and constant socialising he still has a go at every big dog he sees especially if on the lead with my partner Di (protective plus!), if he was Akita size he would be too dangerous!

I do note that Pistol in the few videos of him online seems to be a lovely, goofy, happy dog so his loss, if that's his fate is truely sad as well.

I'm sure all real dog lovers feel for him as well, after all he, like most large breds were 'developed' by us for less than frendly purposes e.g. hunting, guarding, fighting etc. It's a great pitty that these breeds end up in peoples hand that don't take responsibility for the proper education of their pet this includes love and being socialised with small dogs.

All in all it's a very sad situation.

Always love the dogs, down with dropkick owners!

Edited July 13, 2012 by Ninjato

[m-sass]

Actually M-sass...that hit with sticks thing. I know of a dog that came from VERY good and stable temp lines and was abused as a pup and became aggressive towards people. Someone took her on and rehabbed her and low and behold she lived to a ripe old age not even curling a lip. Yes some dogs are predisposed to aggressive tendencies more than others but this has NOTHING and I repeat NOTHING to do with the breed of dog or even who bred it. Especially in this case when we have no idea WHAT the dog is breed wise and its temperament lineage. But what we can do is make an educated guess that the owner is a thug/idiot/bogan that has less dog knowledge than a rock and even if he had access to said knowledge he'd have nowhere to keep it. We can ascertain from his general manner, the obvious untrained dog dragging him out of his yard on the film, his general look, what he said and how he said it, that this dog had no direction, possibly abused, no one caring about his psychological welfare, some insecure moron having a tough looking dog as a status symbol and his general disregard for anyone's welfare including the dead dog, that this animal had no chance in hell of becoming anything else than what he became and trust me, ANY breed can turn out like that, genetically predisposed to aggression or NOT. If an idiot like this owns it.

The point I am making with the "hit with sticks" scenario to bring out defensive aggression to the point that a dog will go into fight before flight is genetically in the dogs character as I mentioned with protection dogs, the lack of genetic fight under pressure is what prevents many protection candidates being unsuitbale for those roles, in fact there were some stats I read on police dog candidates where only 1 in 300 average GSD's had the fighting traits required for successful offender apprehension unless they were bred by specialist breeders who specifically breed for fighting instinct and the said breeders of specialised working dogs don't sell to bogans thankfully!!. The other thing I might add is that it's rare to get true fight from a female dog either, there is some truth in the entire male theory and is the reason that 95% of dogs working in high level security are entire males, although there are some exceptions to the rule in the male/female aggression ratio, entire males have a much higher percentage??.

As primarily pet owners, we don't use, neither do we want aggression and fight from dogs, but there are people and organisations globally who do for various working roles which reflects the breeds chosen to fulfill these roles, many breeds favoured in other countries are restricted breeds here especally breeds that don't lend themselves as easily to handler control and trainability as breeds like the GSD, Rotty, Belgian Shepherd etc. High level uncontrollable aggression in man stopping guarding power is demonstrated largely by Bull/Mastiff type breeds essentially at higher ratios than herding breeds which are more handler orientated and trainable in defensive roles.

These non herding breeds that do the deed bred by BYB's offering tough looking dogs to the bogans are bred for the purpose of intimidation and aggression, they are not nice dogs gone wrong in the hands of moron owners, they are genetically aggressive dogs in the hands of morons who can't control and manage them properly who enjoy what these dogs offer as an extension of their egos IMHO.

[m-sass]

And just for the record, myself and my dog were attacked, injured and traumatised by a purebred Lab. Yes, and to top it off, it was a Customs Dog, so there goes that theory out the door.

Yes,I had a DA Lab for 14 years, he was a dud and poorly bred which happens too, but the Lab has a breed standard and aggression isn't correct trait, but what's the standard and traits of a Bully/Mastiff/ Ridgeback/ Rotty X breed, is an aggressive one a dud or a good one from result of the mix and match??

Edited July 13, 2012 by m-sass

[suziwong66]

posted in wrong area - sorry

Edited July 13, 2012 by suziwong66

[Holmesy]

Personally I can't see any mastiff at all that aggressive dog. Yet another dog attack labelled as a mastiff x that looks absolutely nothing like a mastiff. No wrinkles in the face or droopy jowells. Either way, the only guilty party in this tragedy is the owner of the dog responsible. I'd really love to see laws that actually severely punish owners for these types of attacks. If not jail and heavy fines, ban them from owning ANY pet for life. If people had a lot to lose from failing to be a responsible pet owner, both dogs and people would be a lot better off.