goldenluv Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Hi my boy 3year old golden has been on ZD Hills (from vet)for about a year, bit lethargic and coat not the best am wondering if anyone has taken there dog off ZD and tried something else with any success ps, a pic of my boy meeting a little freind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Why is he on the ZD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 I feed Royal Canin Hypoallergenic, its made my dogs coat very full and shiny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenluv Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 Why is he on the ZD? had tummy prob and vet said he is haveing trouble with proteins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenluv Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 I feed Royal Canin Hypoallergenic, its made my dogs coat very full and shiny Thank you for your reply will have a look at the Royal Canin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Some of the other gastrointestinal diets may be suitable? Eukanuba low residue ( now eukanuba gastrointestinal ) Royal canin hypoallergenic Eukanuba fish and potato Is he ok on hills i/d? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Bit iff topic but why is the RC Hypo so expensive?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowanbree Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 RC also does a gastro one which is cheaper than Hills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Yeah but my allergy dog can't have the Gastro one it's full of wheat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennysvn14 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Have you tried the Eukanuba Skin & Coat Plus (formally Response FP)? My dog is doing well on it. He was on the RC Hypo previously. The Euk is a bit cheaper too although not a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenluv Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 Yeah but my allergy dog can't have the Gastro one it's full of wheat I'm thinking wheat is a prob for my boy too have been told that grain free canidae sky or sea is good, dont know how it stacks up in the price to the others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Trouble with protein? Can you explain that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenluv Posted July 5, 2012 Author Share Posted July 5, 2012 Trouble with protein? Can you explain that? sorry not realy, vet just said he is haveing trouble with the animal protein try ZD his tummy and ear (he repeatedly gets an ear infection in one ear) does well on ZD but he has less energy and has lost coat and at $149 for 11kg I think it should be better, dont realy care what it cost just want him feeling better thats why I thought I'd ask if anyone else has tryed something different when told to use ZD I have tryed to look into it but it get so confusing, alot of the low alergy ones have potato in it like ZD but have found online that white potato is not that good for dogs as its part of the nightshade family and if the dog food people use older potatos its not good the US has LOTS of different foods chick peas, sweet potato, lentils with fish which I think could be better for him but we do not get any of them here in Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenluv Posted July 5, 2012 Author Share Posted July 5, 2012 also have thought of makeing his food myself but worry I would not put everything in it that he needs eg vitamins, minerals, fats, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvsdogs Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Have you tried him on a raw diet? has he had raw meaty bones & does he tolerate them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff'n'Toller Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Trouble with protein? Can you explain that? The short version is that allergies are based on the fact that consuming large proteins causes a huge histamine release in the body - a bit like hayfever, but obviously different. The histamine release is an over response by the immune system. Proteins with a molecular weight of less than 10,000 daltons generally go undetected by the immune system - so no histamine release. In Hills z/d, and also RC hypoallergenic, the proteins are hydrolysed down so they have an average molecular weight of 3,000 daltons. Starches included in the food are either extremely low protein <1% or purified so they contain no proteins. Some dogs will have chronic gastrointestinal symptoms not because they are allergic to one specific protein, it's due to large proteins causing skin or gut issues. It wouldn't matter what animal protein you tried if the dog's system cannot process large proteins - which is very often the case. Edited July 5, 2012 by Staff'n'Toller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Try the RC Hypo it really is very good and both my dogs coats look good on it and the older one normally has a really ugly dry coat but it seems to come good on this food Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest english.ivy Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) also have thought of makeing his food myself but worry I would not put everything in it that he needs eg vitamins, minerals, fats, You could feed raw and add a product like this? I am trying this on my dogs, ordered some yesterday. Edited July 5, 2012 by english.ivy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Hills L/D has minimal animal protein. It is soy protein mainly. Amber looks great on it. Nice shiny coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 <br /><br />Trouble with protein? Can you explain that?<br /><br /><br /><br />sorry not realy, vet just said he is haveing trouble with the animal protein try ZD<br />his tummy and ear (he repeatedly gets an ear infection in one ear) does well on ZD but he has less energy and has lost coat and at $149 for 11kg<br />I think it should be better, dont realy care what it cost just want him feeling better<br />thats why I thought I'd ask if anyone else has tryed something different when told to use ZD<br /><br />I have tryed to look into it but it get so confusing, alot of the low alergy ones have potato in it like ZD but have found online that white potato is not that good for dogs as its part of the nightshade family and if the dog food people use older potatos its not good<br />the US has LOTS of different foods chick peas, sweet potato, lentils with fish which I think could be better for him<br />but we do not get any of them here in Australia<br /><br /><br /><br />It's hard to recommend a food when you can't explain what the protein problem is. It could be an allergy, it could be intestinal or it could be kidney related. I suggest you go back to the vet and get him to explain to you precisely what is wrong with your dog. Even a raw diet could be bad without knowing what the actual problem is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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