Bsl Solution

[BlackJaq]

If by the same type of dogs you mean "entires" then yes, you are correct. Something really needs to be done about that.

[jerry lee]

m-sass

I could point you at about four labs and one GR that I would not trust at all. Maybe more. They're perfectly capable of inflicting serious damage and killing too.

This is the NSW stats. Labs are much higher in the list of the top 20 than pitbulls. I would argue that most of the pitbulls were mystery scary looking cross breeds.

http://www.dlg.nsw.gov.au/dlg/dlghome/dlg_generalindex.asp?sectionid=1&areaindex=DAIDATA&documenttype=8&mi=9&ml=10

Border collies and JRT are also higher up the bite list.

And I suspect if the dog is smaller than a JRT - people are too embarrassed to say what bit them - and call it a pitbull.

Who in NSW would admit their dog was a pitbull?

Why was BSL introduced & who introduced it?

Was a breed just pulled out of a hat?

[dissonant]

Hurro,

m-sass,

I note with interest the way you have attacked this particular breed, and appear to be a proponent of Breed Specific Legislation, it seems rather aggressive to me. You must be a pit bull.

Fairly, however, in response to your idea that a dog must be genetically pre-disposed to aggression, I would argue that as it is commonly accepted that all dogs are descended from the grey wolf, and are of the genus canis familiaris, then all dogs are genetically pre-disposed to aggression.

Of course, such an argument would rather basic in it's thought processes, so I won't do that. What I will do is cite the Herald Sun here (as the bastion of truth, and reason that it is *LOL*):

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/familys-pet-jack-russell-kills-eight-day-old-baby/story-e6frf7jo-1226521785937

Hmm, Jack Russel killed a baby and TORE THEY EYE OUT OF A TEDDY BEAR. ergo: pit bull.

I own an AST and an SBT, and I have had a bit to do with Pits in the past.

Here's what I can tell you from personal experience:

1. If you're friend is missing pre-attack signals, you're not looking hard enough. With many dogs, of differing breeds, they're slight, but they're there.

2. Signaling is dog specific, not breed specific - each dog has an individual threshold.

3. If your highly experienced trainer was mauled by a dog under his care, I would suggest remedial training, or perhaps flipping burgers.

But, please, tell me more about aggression and the base pairs that genetically predispose a breed...

[Rocketeer]

m-sass

I could point you at about four labs and one GR that I would not trust at all. Maybe more. They're perfectly capable of inflicting serious damage and killing too.

This is the NSW stats. Labs are much higher in the list of the top 20 than pitbulls. I would argue that most of the pitbulls were mystery scary looking cross breeds.

http://www.dlg.nsw.gov.au/dlg/dlghome/dlg_generalindex.asp?sectionid=1&areaindex=DAIDATA&documenttype=8&mi=9&ml=10

Border collies and JRT are also higher up the bite list.

And I suspect if the dog is smaller than a JRT - people are too embarrassed to say what bit them - and call it a pitbull.

I think mentioning that others breeds are higher on the list won't help BSL. Off the hook pit bull now its GR, Labs, JRT on the BSL list?

Isn't the whole argument against BSL is that it's not the Breed?

[Rocketeer]

Should we abolish BSL in a heartbeat cause it's not working??

There's enough issues with strays and off-lead untrained, poorly bred dogs in Australia. Do we need to add more breeds? More bigger, more powerful, more tenacious breeds to be available to uneducated dog owners in Australia?

Yes BSL is not fool proof. So aren't Gun laws. Are gun laws stopping gun violence ? ( Anyone live in Sydney? ), Is it the Guns or the people that do the damage? Should we allow all people to own Guns because it's not the Guns that kill it's the 'owners' of the guns..? My point being Gun laws won't stop Guns reaching the street. But they do have a purpose at this point in time.. where Australia is currently?

Same goes for BSL. It's not fool proof. But does it serve a purpose at this point in time. Until Australia ( and society in general) gets on top of things?

Would dropping all BSL tomorrow lead to less dog attacks?

[YOLO]

m-sass

I could point you at about four labs and one GR that I would not trust at all. Maybe more. They're perfectly capable of inflicting serious damage and killing too.

This is the NSW stats. Labs are much higher in the list of the top 20 than pitbulls. I would argue that most of the pitbulls were mystery scary looking cross breeds.

http://www.dlg.nsw.gov.au/dlg/dlghome/dlg_generalindex.asp?sectionid=1&areaindex=DAIDATA&documenttype=8&mi=9&ml=10

Border collies and JRT are also higher up the bite list.

And I suspect if the dog is smaller than a JRT - people are too embarrassed to say what bit them - and call it a pitbull.

THIS is exactly the problem. Whenever there is a criticism of potentially dangerous dog breeds, instead of retorting with balanced logical arguments, their owners “circle the wagons” and start sprouting stuff like this. Worse still, other dog owners who are fundamentally on their side (and their ONLY potential allies) are branded as “Nazis” if they dare to point out a few home truths.

I DON’T agree with BSL, because it does not target the fundamental underlying problems. Take the “most dangerous” dog breed in the world, breed it responsibly (for good temperament,) train it, socialise it, and raise it in a loving home, and you will have a beautiful family pet. (Still wouldn’t let it play with your pet hamster or leave it unsupervised with a young child.)

Take any Terrier or hunting breed, breed it indiscriminately, lock it in a cage and brutalise it, and you can get yourself one vicious dangerous dog.

BSL is a bandaid solution. It might have achieved some success, except it is so poorly implemented and targets only law-abiding owners.

So you can nolonger buy a BSL pup from a quality registered breeder, but you can buy some dangerous half-breed from a BYB or worse.

Register your BSL dog correctly with the local council, and you will be in for unwanted attention (or depending on your state may face confiscation,) keep them unregistered and you will mostly go unnoticed.

If you publicly walk and socialise your dog, and he looks like a BSL, chances are somebody will complain. Keep it locked in a cage in your barn and they won’t.

Choose a dog size you can control, walk it only on a strong leash and collar, with a firm grip, and nomatter how “bad” the dog its chances of doing harm are greatly diminished. Pick a dog bigger than you, or let ANY dog run wild, and chances are it can get into trouble.