TheCheekyMonster Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Every time i go to stack Gus HE FREAKING WRIGGLES AND WORMS!! how do I stop this, its so annoying and its not improving, as a pup it was forgiven his 10 months now, judges are probably going to be more than displeased with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aziah Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Practice and more practice. You need to take him out to show training or get your friends to come around and go over him while you keep him calm and steady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted June 25, 2012 Author Share Posted June 25, 2012 Practice and more practice. You need to take him out to show training or get your friends to come around and go over him while you keep him calm and steady. Ill stack his back legs, then move to check the front and he sits!, or will attempt to turn around and eat his tail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WExtremeG Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I start at the front, then move to the back....and praise! praise! praise! Always start off slowly (don't over do your trading sessions) and use food as a reward :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkyTansy Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Have you had him checked to make sure he doesnt need an adjustment? he might not be stacking because it's uncomfortable. if you have and it's nothing then persistence, calm and consistent... lots of praise as well :) I had a tricky wriggle bum and clicker training and show stackers worked a treat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjelkier Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Have you had him checked to make sure he doesnt need an adjustment? he might not be stacking because it's uncomfortable. if you have and it's nothing then persistence, calm and consistent... lots of praise as well :) I had a tricky wriggle bum and clicker training and show stackers worked a treat. This ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aziah Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Sometimes they'll push you to the limit because they know you'll just give up or let it continue. Place front feet, firm but steady hand to secure his head, place back feet, wait a couple of seconds then feed/praise...repeat. You have to be quick in praising even if the stand is very brief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) A good video that might help: Remember too that controlling the head and working systematically will help. Set the front first then the back, always keeping the head in place with one hand. Edited June 25, 2012 by espinay2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 MOST important to remember that whichever direction you point the head, the back end will follow and don't try to kneel or hunch down behind a large dog, you have more control standing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allerzeit Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 MOST important to remember that whichever direction you point the head, the back end will follow and don't try to kneel or hunch down behind a large dog, you have more control standing up. Unless I'm trying to point Woger at a car while being yelled at by Mr Trafford.... The kneeling down, hunching down behind a large dog one is a good one - I've done this for YEARS (not with every dog, but from time to time), and it's only since starting show training classes that I've learned how it can not only reduce my control, but also encourage my dog to A frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted June 25, 2012 Author Share Posted June 25, 2012 Ow excellent thank you everyone for the advice...... second show ever on Sunday... so so nervious, I want to make sure I have done all I can to prepare him... and me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 MOST important to remember that whichever direction you point the head, the back end will follow and don't try to kneel or hunch down behind a large dog, you have more control standing up. Unless I'm trying to point Woger at a car while being yelled at by Mr Trafford.... And trying to remember which is right and which is left whilst Mr Trafford gets grumpier and grumpier! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted June 25, 2012 Author Share Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) A good video that might help: Remember too that controlling the head and working systematically will help. Set the front first then the back, always keeping the head in place with one hand. I used to stack his back this way that is shown, my show trainer said not to because it creates an arch in his back...(it kinda did) but I needed to get him used to the judges touching his back legs any way... he was not to fond of this the first time round. Edited June 25, 2012 by TheCheekyMonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 A good video that might help: Remember too that controlling the head and working systematically will help. Set the front first then the back, always keeping the head in place with one hand. I used to stack his back this way that is showns, my show trainer said not to because it creates an arch in his back...(it kinda did) but I needed to get him used to the judges touching his back legs any way... he was not to fond of this the first time round. Practice practice practice. Get anybody who will help to go over him once you have stacked him up. Take it seriously, stack him properly and then ask them to go over him. Also, if you haven't already, invest in a mirror and use it to see how he looks when stacked. Showstackers might be useful too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allerzeit Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 MOST important to remember that whichever direction you point the head, the back end will follow and don't try to kneel or hunch down behind a large dog, you have more control standing up. Unless I'm trying to point Woger at a car while being yelled at by Mr Trafford.... And trying to remember which is right and which is left whilst Mr Trafford gets grumpier and grumpier! Hey, I've been known to lead entire obedience classes astray by turning left when the instructor said right, and the rest of the class following me! :laugh: Yes, definitely use a mirror if you can, or even a window if its dark outside and light inside so that you get good reflections, it makes such a difference when you can see how it looks to a judge, and be able to relate that to how it feels and looks from your perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkySoaringMagpie Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Ow excellent thank you everyone for the advice...... second show ever on Sunday... so so nervious, I want to make sure I have done all I can to prepare him... and me Don't stress. He might be older but if its his second show ever then give him, and you, a break. You perform better with a small amount of well managed stress, but if you go too far into stressville you will be sending a confusing stir fry of signals to your dog and he will start reacting. A lot of dogs that move about a lot are either uncomfortable (get a chiro) or confused (get an unbiased trainer to watch you both). The less you fiddle and fret, the better he will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 A good video that might help: Remember too that controlling the head and working systematically will help. Set the front first then the back, always keeping the head in place with one hand. That video is awful. He pulled the dog's front legs forward when they should always be placed well under the dog with the elbow under the withers. No wonder so many dogs are so badly stacked if people are watching that advice. The main trick is too never let go of the head. Hold the head with the collar up high under the jaw with your right hand and do not move that hand until the dog is finished stacking. Either slightly lift the front clear of the ground by placing the left arm over the dog with the hand on the ribs behind the elbow to let the front legs fall directly under the dog or place each front leg by the elbow so the leg is well under the dog. Then run your left hand down the back to the show side back hock and place that leg, repeat for the other back leg. You can hold the collar up then with both hands or swap hands so you are holding the collar with the left hand and bait with the right. With a puppy that sits, hold the head with the right hand and keep the left hand on the near side stifle so it cannot possibly sit. Always move the front legs by the elbows and back legs by the hocks and try to run your hand down to them rather than just grabbing where you want to move. And never ever lift the dog under the belly or between the back legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
becks Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 To be honest, I would just stop worrying about where his legs are for the moment. Get his front feet straight and have him stay still for a few seconds and reward that and build up the time. Once he knows to stay still, then you can work on where they back legs are going. The more you keep fidling with his legs, the more he will fidget and squirm. Also get someone to take photos of your stacking, it can show up faults you didn't notice. Watch that he is standing in a straight line, I notice a lot of beginners in our ringcraft class have a habit of pulling the back feet out at different places and from above the dog is standing on a curve. You can practise a bit of stacking and show training while on walks each day, so there is plenty of fun associated with him being still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted June 25, 2012 Author Share Posted June 25, 2012 Lol, well Sunday should be interesting, once again I wont be able to go to show training this week, its been nearly 2 months....grrr!!.... Guess I will just have to practice in the laundry... but Gus really could do with the added distraction of other dogs.....His so good running next to me, fantastic at that.... im just worried about him mucking up... I should just slap myself and get over it huh? haha his probably not as bad as I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Lol, well Sunday should be interesting, once again I wont be able to go to show training this week, its been nearly 2 months....grrr!!.... Guess I will just have to practice in the laundry... but Gus really could do with the added distraction of other dogs.....His so good running next to me, fantastic at that.... im just worried about him mucking up... I should just slap myself and get over it huh? haha his probably not as bad as I think. it's better if you practise every day or two then rely on just a weekly thing. And practise everywhere, why would you restrict it to the laundry Becks has given great advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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