perrin Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Owey i'm so sorry to read about Bailey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavstar Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Owey I am so so sorry for what you & your family had to go through RIP Little Bailey. You will not be forgotton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Sorry for your loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 We would be happy to have the thread pinned. As I mentioned earlier on, if we can help someone else avoid this type of situation, it would be a small blessing. Troy??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Clover Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 So very sorry Owey and family . Rip little Bailey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimiss Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 So sorry to hear about this Owey I wish the outcome could have been different for you and your family and little bailey. You gave him the best you could in the time you had together xox BYBers are scum on the shoes of scum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owey Posted July 24, 2012 Author Share Posted July 24, 2012 Still no word from the Breeder if they are going to provide a refund. We have sent them all the invoices from the Vet and now we wait. Thanks again for all the hugs and support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Crazy Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) Surely this would be the very least this Byber could do is refund your purchase price you paid for Bailey & all the Vet bills after what you & your family have been through. He should be responsible for the consequences of his own actions as he chooses NOT to have all relevant health checks done on his dogs & continues to breed them & $$$ from this. It's the price he pays, not you. If he has a heart that is ?? Unfortunately though most of these Byber's are all about the $$$. I so hope I am wrong for your sake Owey. Edited July 24, 2012 by BC Crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piper Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I wonder how you would go under consumer rights - the whole goods fit for sale/purpose kind of thing. It makes me so angry what you have had to go through and then for them to not even refund purchase price is disgusting!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheena Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I was on the Trading Post today looking for trailers & out of curiosity I looked up Border Collies for sale. To my horror there were pages & pages of them...I got up to page ten & gave up as there didn't seem to be an end. Not one mentioned health & genetic testing of parents. & neither did I find one that mentioned ANKC Registered. Wouldn't it be good if places like the Trading Post & Gumtree were made to put a header in listing all the things that should be checked before buying a puppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owey Posted July 25, 2012 Author Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) I did receive news yesterday that the BYB we got Bailey from is DNA testing another dog from the litter although I am not sure if it is the bitch they had already sold or the dog they still have. And yes Sheena, there are a lot of pups out there available for sale, and unfortunately the general public are totally unaware of such issues (like we were). It would be great if they could put some kind of disclaimer or header there for people to see before selecting a pup. Edited July 25, 2012 by Owey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 It's true, when getting our Aussie (found a good breeder in the end), we had looked in the Trading Post also to start with, and OMG, soooo many BC pups for sale, not to mention other breeds. Really cheap, no mention of testing/microchipping etc. Of course there are also good breeders that use The TP and Gumtree to advertise pups, you just have to sort the bad from the good, which isn't always so simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheena Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 It's true, when getting our Aussie (found a good breeder in the end), we had looked in the Trading Post also to start with, and OMG, soooo many BC pups for sale, not to mention other breeds. Really cheap, no mention of testing/microchipping etc. Of course there are also good breeders that use The TP and Gumtree to advertise pups, you just have to sort the bad from the good, which isn't always so simple. Which for the average John Citizen, who is completely unaware that there is more to breeding good pups, besides putting dog with bitch & whamo...you have cute puppies, means looking on the TP or GT for a pup and just look at price, colour, cuteness & availability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I was on the Trading Post today looking for trailers & out of curiosity I looked up Border Collies for sale. To my horror there were pages & pages of them...I got up to page ten & gave up as there didn't seem to be an end. Not one mentioned health & genetic testing of parents. & neither did I find one that mentioned ANKC Registered. Wouldn't it be good if places like the Trading Post & Gumtree were made to put a header in listing all the things that should be checked before buying a puppy. Maybe the ANKC should run such an ad on these sites. There is nothing wrong with these marketing places as such. I have bought a Registered Dog on Trading Post from Breeders who health tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 There was a court case a while back against a breeder which as won by the owner of a pup who had TNS. If you look through the archives here you will likely find threads on it (the names etc are not coming to me at the moment..) Owey it may be worth quoting the case to the breeder of your pup as 'leverage'? Just a thought.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owey Posted July 28, 2012 Author Share Posted July 28, 2012 We got an email from the breeder on Thursday asking for our Bank account details, which I sent off to them. Nothing has come through yet but that's more than likely the bank, but we'll keep an eye on it. I honestly think that the breeder feels bad for what has happened, and will be wiser for the experience (as we are), but a simple and relatively cheap DNA test could have avoided all of this issue, Bailey's suffering and everybody's heartache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjk05 Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I honestly think that the breeder feels bad for what has happened, and will be wiser for the experience (as we are), but a simple and relatively cheap DNA test could have avoided all of this issue, Bailey's suffering and everybody's heartache. I think you're probably right, Owey. I've been through the TNS puppy nightmare twice, and as horrible as that was, I think it would have been worse if we'd sold those pups to someone else. He should be responsible for the consequences of his own actions as he chooses NOT to have all relevant health checks done on his dogs & continues to breed them & $$$ from this.It's quite likely that they didn't CHOOSE not to do testing, they just didn't know anything about it. Yes, they should have done some research first, but an amazing number of people have no idea that certain breeds are prone to certain genetic diseases, and even less knowledge of the available genetic testing. I know people who have decided to breed their nice, apparently healthy dogs, have pup buyers lined up, take the bitch to the local vet ahead of time for a pre-mating check-up and a discussion of the planned breeding, then take the pups in for checks before sale, and nothing has been mentioned to them about genetic disease. I actually doubt whether many vets would know what TNS is or how it presents or how to test for it. I've discussed it with quite a few vets (including specialists) before and after the DNA test became available, and almost all have not even heard of TNS or have misconceptions about the epidemiology and clinical presentation. The people that bred these pups were negligent, probably through ignorance rather than intention or malice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty&biscuit Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Have read through this whole thread, and am so disheartened to hear about Bailey's passing, RIP Bailey Owey, my condolences to you and your family at this hard time, no one should have to suffer from something so hard, not the puppy, not the children, not you, not anyone. Please know that Bailey was so blessed to have you both, you obviously cared for him so much and did all you could, but unfortunately it was just not meant to be. Hopefully one day you can get another from a registered breeder to heal your hearts and give you years of joy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 There was a court case a while back against a breeder which as won by the owner of a pup who had TNS. If you look through the archives here you will likely find threads on it (the names etc are not coming to me at the moment..) Owey it may be worth quoting the case to the breeder of your pup as 'leverage'? Just a thought.... That court case was in fact won by the breeder because it was BEFORE the DNA test was available and it was the first reported case in NSW. That case prompted us to make sure we had a test so nothing like that would ever happen to any dedicated breeder again. Even though the breeder won it dragged through the courts for 18 months and the breeder ended up a few thousand dollars out of pocket. The owner ended up a lot more out of pocket as they had legal fees and all court costs. In that case the puppy was in fact 9 weeks, not 7 weeks like Bailey. The puppy became ill within a few days and the breeder did the right thing, immediately requested the puppy be returned for a refund, plus they offered a replacement puppy. The owners refused and went to SASH who ran every test under the sun, running up thousands of dollars in a few days. At that time TNS had been reported in the breed elsewhere but it was thought to be very rare, a bone marrow biopsy was the only way to get a preliminary diagnosis and it could only be confirmed at autopsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 There was a court case a while back against a breeder which as won by the owner of a pup who had TNS. If you look through the archives here you will likely find threads on it (the names etc are not coming to me at the moment..) Owey it may be worth quoting the case to the breeder of your pup as 'leverage'? Just a thought.... Greyshaft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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