My Niece Wants A Dd Just Like Gillards!

[Blakbelgian]

To me Puppy farm conjures up an image of rolling hills with cows & sheep. Nice looking house with picket fence,

perhaps some chickens & horses & dogs running around doing doggy things.

This is not the place most oodles etc are coming from.

I would call them Puppy MILLS as they are churned out at a regular rate.

just my opinion since everyone are calling them farms.

Thundercat, is there any progress with your neice?

BB

[mr.mister]

If she is still absolutely set on a DD you could direct her to a rescue. As long as she is aware of the amount of grooming these dogs need and that there's no guarantee that the dog won't have health issues (no dog can be guaranteed to always be 100% healthy, but you know what I mean).

Otherwise suggest as someone else mentioned, a PWD or Lagotto. :)

[Jed]

Because as Jed said dogs are not agricultural animals and should not be factory farmed

So what is your definition of a "puppy farm" or "puppy factory"? If a show judge has 50 Golden Retrievers is he a puppy farmer? or is he factory farming dogs?

Labelling - ie, puppy farms, byb - is something that animal rights introduced in America about 20 years ago to divide dog breeders so they would turn against each other.

A puppy farm is where dogs are bred as agricultural animals. It doesn't matter whether is is filthy or antiseptic, doesn't matter about anything else.

I would suggest that anyone who mass breeds dogs is a puppy farmer --- but I know people with 50 bitches (mostly in the "old" days) who did it right. Staff, lots of time spent with the dogs, dogs taken out to training, or to shows, on walks and allowed to run about the property with the owner as a pack. And the pups produced were lovely sociable animals, because the bitches were happy and the pups were socialised

Betya gumboots the current mass breeding establishments don't do any of those things. The ones I see provide no social experiences for the dogs or pups at all.

Just suffering and misery.

30 years ago, no vet would believe that small animals (ie dogs) felt pain and although they would anaethetise an animal, they would never offer pain relief, and if you asked, they were astonished.

It is not well recognised that dogs have psychological requirements. Every scientific study which is done proves more conclusively that there is x facet to dogs --- which switched on owners and breeders always knew.

Miserable and badly treated bitches don't raise top class pups, unsocialised pups do not turn out as good as they could be

People who live with parent dogs are much less likely to breed ratbags to each other. In mass breeding establishments, no one has any idea what the temperament or personality of the breeding dogs are. How would they? They are rarely handled, and no one has to live with them. If they are the bad barkers from hell, no one knows, or cares, so they mate them.

Why have 4th or 5th rate, and support a despicable practice, when you could have 1st rate, or a rescue at a much lesser price?

[Darkrai]

Julia doesnt look to impressed with her bundle of issues, unless thats to much botox lol

[Darkrai]

Julia doesnt look to impressed with her bundle of issues, unless thats to much botox lol

[PuddleDuck]

At her age would she be funding said dd herself or would it be mum & dad putting up the cash? If it's her parents then go to them, explain the potential health issues and give them a rough idea of costs that can be incurred managing these condition or the pain that their daughter would incur having no choice but to have her dog pts. That should put them off

If its her, take her to a reputable shelter and show her all the cute puppie and dogs desperate for a home, might pull the emotional heartstrings enough to change her course. It did for me when I was young, stupid and wanted a pup from a petstore

[Squidgy]

Julia doesnt look to impressed with her bundle of issues, unless thats to much botox lol

[Squidgy]

At her age would she be funding said dd herself or would it be mum & dad putting up the cash? If it's her parents then go to them, explain the potential health issues and give them a rough idea of costs that can be incurred managing these condition or the pain that their daughter would incur having no choice but to have her dog pts. That should put them off

If its her, take her to a reputable shelter and show her all the cute puppie and dogs desperate for a home, might pull the emotional heartstrings enough to change her course. It did for me when I was young, stupid and wanted a pup from a petstore

She works part time so would buying it herself.. but hopefully she has been put off one now