Squidgy Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) * rollseyes* My niece emailed me this morning asking me if I knew where she could get a "cavoodle" or whatever from. She is 16 and idolises Julia Gillard ( for what reasons I don't know lol) and wants to be like her so..... wants a dog like hers aswell. How do you explain to a 16 year old without them thinking your trying to ruin their life?? bahahaha I know in the end she is going to do what she wants but I want to try and steer her clear even for just a little bit longer you know, I know she will love it and look after it carefully etc I just don't want her funding the puppy farm trade because one dog out is another back in its place so to speak. I know this topic has probly been done to death but I guess people are always going to fall for the media garbage that gets spurted around about the hybrid vigour or whatever it is that draws people to these dogs to start with. I love all dogs I am not a snob haha but I just don't think people should be forking out thousands upon thousands for a dog thats predictibility is unknown. :) any suggestions on how to gently break it to her? Edited May 19, 2012 by thundercat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squidgy Posted May 19, 2012 Author Share Posted May 19, 2012 oh Does anyone have any good sites I could steer her to ( not to graphic!!) about pupy farming?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozzie Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 The more graphic the better would be my suggestion. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=puppy+farms&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:%7Breferrer:source?%7D&rlz=1I7ADFA_en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=dvK2T5avHsWTiAfgqbGCCQ&ved=0CHUQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=643 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milly2 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 She must be the only one that Idolises Julia at the moment :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squidgy Posted May 19, 2012 Author Share Posted May 19, 2012 She must be the only one that Idolises Julia at the moment :laugh: Yes I agree! I don't see any reasons to haha but my niece of one of those " power to woman sort of people" haha and thinks its fabulous to have a woman PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdie Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 You may find this cross in rescues and shelters; ,Or you could take her to see some Portuguese Water Dogs.Then she could be like President Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawnim Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 She must be the only one that Idolises Julia at the moment :laugh: Does anyone idolize the alternative? What sort of dog does he own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) There is no denying many of these mixes are lovely dogs... But why don't you simply tell her the truth: There is so much variety in this cross that there is no guarantee HER cavoodle would be anything like the PMs. Explain the conditions such dogs are generally bred and raised in and show her some puppy farm photos. Then send her into the rescue pages OR direct her towards poodles and CKCS. She DOES realise such dogs require professional grooming I hope. ETA: Thundercat, is it just my imagination or are you frequently starting "high drama" threads intentionally???? Everything you need to inform your niece about designer dogs is already here for you to show her. Edited May 19, 2012 by Haredown Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squidgy Posted May 19, 2012 Author Share Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) There is no denying many of these mixes are lovely dogs... But why don't you simply tell her the truth: There is so much variety in this cross that there is no guarantee HER cavoodle would be anything like the PMs. Explain the conditions such dogs are generally bred and raised in and show her some puppy farm photos. Then send her into the rescue pages OR direct her towards poodles and CKCS. She DOES realise such dogs require professional grooming I hope. I dont think she has looked that far into I think she is trying to find something to make her and julia similar. and yes maybe the more graphic the better.... how much do you think it would cost to professionally groom this dog maybe the ongoing cost might put her off Edited May 19, 2012 by thundercat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squidgy Posted May 19, 2012 Author Share Posted May 19, 2012 She must be the only one that Idolises Julia at the moment :laugh: Does anyone idolize the alternative? What sort of dog does he own? I have no idea :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 I dont think she has looked that far into I think she is trying to find something to make her and julia similar. and yes maybe the more graphic the better.... how much do you think it would cost to professionally groom this dog maybe the ongoing cost might put her off Buy her a bottle of hair dye and get her to work on a nasal tone... no dogs need suffer in the cause... No idea about the grooming.. pick up a phone and ask a professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) She must be the only one that Idolises Julia at the moment :laugh: Does anyone idolize the alternative? What sort of dog does he own? Padraic, do not go away! You have a knack... :) I saw on TV Tony A and his family at home. Their dog was smallish, a bit shaggy and white. Have no idea what it was. I'm wondering, too, who else the 16 yr old niece might 'idolise'. Might be some other types of dogs to choose from. Or maybe take a shortcut and accompany her to a Dog Show or two....where there are small to small-medium dogs. Then let the dogs themselves work the magic....by-passing politician-owners entirely. With many a registered breeder willing to answer her questions. Edited May 19, 2012 by mita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lavendergirl Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Would a 16 year old have - and be willing to spend - the minimum $60 or so every 8 weeks for clipping a "non-shedding" dog (whether purebred or not)? I don't think people realise the regular maintenance involved with these dogs. As well as the clipping there is the brushing at least twice a week - is she willing to do that? People get sick of it and that is why a lot end up in shelters in such a matted condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkhe Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) My approach would be to calmly and rationally explain why you think purebred is the way to go, and outline all the options for her. You have to outline the options and choices though - just telling someone to do x or they're stupid if they do x, is a surefire way for them to go right ahead and do x. I started my site (in my sig) for this reason, to provide easy to understand info for the average non-doggy person, and have written a bit about where dogs come from and how to make an informed decision: http://www.maggiesfarm.info/buying-a-dog/ I don't want to be seen to be promoting it unnecessarily but I actually do think it's pretty relevant for this thread. :) ETA - price for grooming depends on the size of the dog and varies hugely depending on where you are, it seems. I live in the inner suburbs of Melbourne and the cheapest groom I've had for my 4kg toy poodle has been $50. I've paid up to $90, and now do it myself. A larger dog, (by which I mean larger than 4kg!) could easily cost you double that, and 8 weeks is really the longest you could leave it between grooms. To do it yourself you really need to get some decent clippers, which will set you back at least $80 on ebay. If you're serious about it though, expect to pay much more than that, at least a couple of hundred. Edited May 19, 2012 by Alkhe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverchips Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 People get sick of it and that is why a lot end up in shelters in such a matted condition. One of the arguments used by anti "designer dogs" is that designer dogs like "cavoodles" and "spoodles" etc. are bred in puppy farms. If a puppy farm is registered or if a puppy is sold through a pet shop i.e. domestic animal business they must be microchipped. Does anyone have any actual data or stats that support this theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkhe Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 People get sick of it and that is why a lot end up in shelters in such a matted condition. One of the arguments used by anti "designer dogs" is that designer dogs like "cavoodles" and "spoodles" etc. are bred in puppy farms. If a puppy farm is registered or if a puppy is sold through a pet shop i.e. domestic animal business they must be microchipped. Does anyone have any actual data or stats that support this theory The 'theory' that they're bred in puppy farms? The problem is that there's no universally accepted version of what a 'puppy farm' is. Some establishments that I would consider puppy farms are actually registered businesses that are licensed to do what they do - thus, they're not illegal. Being legal in my opinion doesn't make them okay, or something that I would ever consider supporting by buying a dog from them. Nobody advertises that they're a puppy farm, that would be marketing suicide. But a lot of registered establishments that are perfectly legal domestic animal businesses that microchip their pups and operate all above board, but are what I would consider puppy farms. A lot of similar establishment aren't registered though. I'd never support either kind, regardless of how legal and officially legitimate they are. I'm not going to name establishments on here, but there are a number of "kennels" with nice sounding names like heatherview palace or blah blah fields, that type of thing, that you can order puppies from online. They're not going to put pictures of animals kept in cages and continually bred from. They have pictures that look like stock, getty images type photos of puppies running through fields etc. Lots of crosses like cavoodles, spoodle etc, are bred by "backyard breeders" - you find them through ads in the paper, and someone's bred their pet or decided to start breeding dogs. Those aren't what I would consider puppy farms, but they're equally not something that I want to support. Have a google, it won't take you long to find some pretty shocking things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) The problem is that there's no universally accepted version of what a 'puppy farm' is. Some establishments that I would consider puppy farms are actually registered businesses that are licensed to do what they do - thus, they're not illegal. Being legal in my opinion doesn't make them okay, or something that I would ever consider supporting by buying a dog from them. Good point because 'puppy farm' suggests a place... rather than what people do in keeping/breeding/raising puppies and dogs in ways that are not acceptable in terms of the animals' welfare, health and future well-being. Just my opinion, but I think 'puppy farming' is a bundle of poor breeding/care/socialisation/homing, practices. Can be done by a range of people and types of locations. Also across numbers of dogs, except that larger numbers have the potential to magnify the associated problems. And those practices could be set out in a checklist. Edited May 19, 2012 by mita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlingdog Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 The more graphic the better would be my suggestion. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=puppy+farms&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:%7Breferrer:source?%7D&rlz=1I7ADFA_en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=dvK2T5avHsWTiAfgqbGCCQ&ved=0CHUQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=643 Rozzie that is the perfect link to show the young lady....if that does not shock her into listening I dont know what will. This is not the time for softly softly....this young lady needs to be educated in just where her designer dog may come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squidgy Posted May 19, 2012 Author Share Posted May 19, 2012 Thanks :) I sent her all of these links and stuff she started to cry I felt so bad so relieved. whether it has actually made her not want one or not I will never know at this point in time but atleast now she is a little more educated about the whole designer breed process. Thanks DOL xxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumof4girls Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 I had a lovely discussion with my oH sister this weekend, she stated she is getting a labradoodle because they are allergy free...My jaw dropped took a deep breath and educated her ... I think I got through, I hope so anyway.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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