What Breed?

[Guest Arcane]

many litters are a mixed bag. In the particular example of the 2 dogs above, I can be as positive as 99.9% that it was a one sire litter ( BYBred by family of the owner) Where the certainty stops is with the alleged 'breeds' of the parents, a 'Maltese' that has coloured patches and a JRT-ish dog.

[Salukifan]

Hey Everyone,

I was hoping to use everyone's combined skill and experience to offer opinons on what breed our current foster puppy is. She came into my care at 6 weeks of age and is now 6 months. She has behavioural issues that have been apparent since 6 weeks of age, and as such is not suitable for re-homing as yet. And by the looks of things we may never be able to give her up as she is growing on us ;p Below are pictures of her as she has matured...

Some physical attributes that are not shown very well in pictures are her very long legs, her very deep chest, excess skin around her neck and shoulders, and the fact her head almost come to a point at the back.

Cheers in advance!

Lisa

My first thought on seeing this girl was "feral dog". They do exist in urban settings. Sabling or grizzling of coat is something that feral dogs tend to develop over generations.

Just out of interest, what were the issues she exhibited at six weeks? If born "wild" I'd certainly expect to see a few in a domestic situation. Fear of unknown humans would be a key one.

Are her ears now pricked?

ETA: I finally found a suitable picture of a feral dog that hadn't been shot (this one is sleeping). Note the body shape and colouring:

Edited May 16, 2012 by Haredown Whippets

[Swizzlestick]

You can always have a DNA test if you want to know. :)

[Salukifan]

You can always have a DNA test if you want to know. :)

Yeah, because they are always sooooo accurate. :laugh:

[PolitePaws]

Hey Everyone,

I was hoping to use everyone's combined skill and experience to offer opinons on what breed our current foster puppy is. She came into my care at 6 weeks of age and is now 6 months. She has behavioural issues that have been apparent since 6 weeks of age, and as such is not suitable for re-homing as yet. And by the looks of things we may never be able to give her up as she is growing on us ;p Below are pictures of her as she has matured...

Some physical attributes that are not shown very well in pictures are her very long legs, her very deep chest, excess skin around her neck and shoulders, and the fact her head almost come to a point at the back.

Cheers in advance!

Lisa

My first thought on seeing this girl was "feral dog". They do exist in urban settings. Sabling or grizzling of coat is something that feral dogs tend to develop over generations.

Just out of interest, what were the issues she exhibited at six weeks? If born "wild" I'd certainly expect to see a few in a domestic situation. Fear of unknown humans would be a key one.

Are her ears now pricked?

ETA: I finally found a suitable picture of a feral dog that hadn't been shot (this one is sleeping). Note the body shape and colouring:

If you read my above comments I have listed her issues at 6 weeks. Ohnostly she was not born feral in Maroubra which is in Eastern suburbs of Sydney. She would be a puppy from an accidental mating where someones dog got over the fence. Her behaviours are not feral, they are those of a dog who has had either bad experiences before I got her, or NO experiences at all. In the Eastern Suburbs cross breed dogs are far less common, as are working breeds. Just take a look around at the dogs you see in the area, and the puppies that come through puppy classes. This is especially true for larger dogs which are less commonly crossed than the toy breeds. You see heaps of large pure breed dogs in the Eastern Suburbs, it's really nice actually :)

[RuralPug]

Just a coincidence but I saw her male doppleganger tonight at obedience.

7 month old GSD x lab, his black and tan litter brother was there too. Will interrogate the owners next week as to the purity of the parents...

[Salukifan]

If you read my above comments I have listed her issues at 6 weeks. Ohnostly she was not born feral in Maroubra which is in Eastern suburbs of Sydney. She would be a puppy from an accidental mating where someones dog got over the fence. Her behaviours are not feral, they are those of a dog who has had either bad experiences before I got her, or NO experiences at all. In the Eastern Suburbs cross breed dogs are far less common, as are working breeds. Just take a look around at the dogs you see in the area, and the puppies that come through puppy classes. This is especially true for larger dogs which are less commonly crossed than the toy breeds. You see heaps of large pure breed dogs in the Eastern Suburbs, it's really nice actually :)

Sorry, are you saying that stray dogs in Sydney never whelp litters? There's been plenty of examples given here. I've seen it on TV shows. Any dog born wild and that has never experienced human companionship IS feral whether its environment be urban or rural. God we've even got FOXES whelping and raising litters in cities now.

A wild born pup (or any pup not handled by humans in the first three weeks of life) is likely to have a life long fear of strange humans. Do a bit of reading on the behaviour of stray pups and my guess is you might recognise than a few behaviours in this pup.

If you think this dog is an F1 cross of two purebreds, in my opinion you are sadly mistaken. I seem to recall it was opinions this thread was designed to gather. Ditto for sighthound in her, regardless of her level of prey drive. Huskies have prey drive up the yazoo. Even my poodles will lure course. If she 's not wild born, then my guess is she's a true crossbred - several generations of crossbreds in fact

But no never mind - none of us will ever know her origins or her breeding. If people ask what breed she is, give them an honest answer - no idea. Or say whatever you like - you seem pretty keen on Saluki. Just don't expect anyone with a knowledge of the breed to agree with you.

Edited May 16, 2012 by Haredown Whippets

[PolitePaws]

Sorry, are you saying that stray dogs in Sydney never whelp litters? There's been plenty of examples given here. I've seen it on TV shows. Any dog born wild and that has never experienced human companionship IS feral whether its environment be urban or rural. God we've even got FOXES whelping and raising litters in cities now.

A wild born pup (or any pup not handled by humans in the first three weeks of life) is likely to have a life long fear of strange humans. Do a bit of reading on the behaviour of stray pups and my guess is you might recognise than a few behaviours in this pup.

If you think this dog is an F1 cross of two purebreds, in my opinion you are sadly mistaken. I seem to recall it was opinions this thread was designed to gather. Ditto for sighthound in her, regardless of her level of prey drive. Huskies have prey drive up the yazoo. Even my poodles will lure course. If she 's not wild born, then my guess is she's a true crossbred - several generations of crossbreds in fact

But no never mind - none of us will ever know her origins or her breeding. If people ask what breed she is, give them an honest answer - no idea. Or say whatever you like - you seem pretty keen on Saluki. Just don't expect anyone with a knowledge of the breed to agree with you.

Um okay so what for all of the puppies that spend their first 8 weeks of life in a whelping box and are not handled by people? MANY puppies experience this but are not scared of people for life. Thats just a silly comment. Also the first 3 weeks are really not that important, but the 4-6 weeks are. Plus I never said I think she is a first gen X. But I would say there are more likely only a few breeds in her rather than hundreds. Also what about the desert dogs that are taken from community dogs as young puppies and adopted into loving families? They are actually feral born and can make great pets. Your opinion is nether backed by facts or useful, but feel free to continue voicing it.

[PolitePaws]

Just a coincidence but I saw her male doppleganger tonight at obedience.

7 month old GSD x lab, his black and tan litter brother was there too. Will interrogate the owners next week as to the purity of the parents...

How funny, because I have had a few picts of GSD X Labs sent to me. There may be something else in there for sure, but it's interesting that so many GSD x Labs look like her.

[Salukifan]

Um okay so what for all of the puppies that spend their first 8 weeks of life in a whelping box and are not handled by people? MANY puppies experience this but are not scared of people for life. Thats just a silly comment. Also the first 3 weeks are really not that important, but the 4-6 weeks are. Plus I never said I think she is a first gen X. But I would say there are more likely only a few breeds in her rather than hundreds. Also what about the desert dogs that are taken from community dogs as young puppies and adopted into loving families? They are actually feral born and can make great pets. Your opinion is nether backed by facts or useful, but feel free to continue voicing it.

What pups do you know that aren't handled by people in their first 8 weeks of life??

By week 4 or 5 most are on their feet, out of said box and wreaking havoc. Mum has pretty much weaned them and someone will have been feeding them solids for weeks??

Crikey, even puppy farmers have handled pups plenty by that age. Indeed, by that age they are gone.

Do your homework about those first 3 weeks. There are studies that say they are equally important for socialisation with people as the weeks that follow are for wider experiences. Must be some silly canine researchers around. Recheck your critical socialisation periods too.

I never said this pup or any feral born couldn't make a great pet. You have suggested this pup's issues won't make her suitable for rehoming though.

Seems to me you think that my use of "feral" is an insult. That was never my intention -it was used to describe one potential origin for the pup. I offered an what I thought was a reasonable explanation for her colouring and her behaviour. I might be completely wrong but I did provide some factual basis for my opinion. It's as good as any opinion based on her appearance alone. There are plenty of crossbred dogs that look nothing like their parent breeds.

Edited May 16, 2012 by Haredown Whippets

[trinabean]

To the OP: a 'what breed is this' thread is no place to get offended. You've opened up a thread asking for people's opinions. Haredown Whippets is a knowlegable DOLer, simply offering her opinion.

I see similarities betwen your dog and the photo she posted.

For what it's worth I think your dog looks very sweet. :)

You will never know what breeds went into making her, but it doesn't matter because you love her, and it's great that you can offer her a good home.

[Salukifan]

Oh one more piece of advice for the OP;

Before calling a poster here an idiot and a wanker, it might pay to check that you have no FB friends in common. Amazing what a small world the online dog community is.

Some lovely comments about DOL there from some of your friends too.

"Polite Paws" how ironic :laugh: I won't hold my breath for an apology. Frankly I think one to folk who posted here in good faith, and some of whom you also insulted would be an appropriate thing to do.

Edited May 16, 2012 by Haredown Whippets

[PolitePaws]

Oh one more piece of advice for the OP;

Before calling a poster here an idiot and a wanker, it might pay to check that you have no FB friends in common. Amazing what a small world the online dog community is.

Some lovely comments about DOL there from some of your friends too.

"Polite Paws" how ironic :laugh: I won't hold my breath for an apology. Frankly I think one to folk who posted here in good faith, and some of whom you also insulted would be an appropriate thing to do.

You tell me about 1 feral dog population living in the middle of sydney??? Some people posted some really interesting things based on their knowledge of breeds close to their heart. Others seem to have nothing better to do with their time than go off topic with random comments.

Dont worry I won't bother posting anything here ever again.

[Salukifan]

Oh one more piece of advice for the OP;

Before calling a poster here an idiot and a wanker, it might pay to check that you have no FB friends in common. Amazing what a small world the online dog community is.

Some lovely comments about DOL there from some of your friends too.

"Polite Paws" how ironic :laugh: I won't hold my breath for an apology. Frankly I think one to folk who posted here in good faith, and some of whom you also insulted would be an appropriate thing to do.

You tell me about 1 feral dog population living in the middle of sydney??? Some people posted some really interesting things based on their knowledge of breeds close to their heart. Others seem to have nothing better to do with their time than go off topic with random comments.

Dont worry I won't bother posting anything here ever again.

So no apology then.

[BJean]

Oh one more piece of advice for the OP;

Before calling a poster here an idiot and a wanker, it might pay to check that you have no FB friends in common. Amazing what a small world the online dog community is.

Some lovely comments about DOL there from some of your friends too.

"Polite Paws" how ironic :laugh: I won't hold my breath for an apology. Frankly I think one to folk who posted here in good faith, and some of whom you also insulted would be an appropriate thing to do.

You tell me about 1 feral dog population living in the middle of sydney??? Some people posted some really interesting things based on their knowledge of breeds close to their heart. Others seem to have nothing better to do with their time than go off topic with random comments.

Dont worry I won't bother posting anything here ever again.

So no apology then.

You got to love the tanties PF :D

Some things on DOL never change :laugh:

By By Polite Paws (but not on FB?)

[Salukifan]

You got to love the tanties PF :D

Some things on DOL never change :laugh:

By By Polite Paws (but not on FB?)

Same old. Same old.

You know the rules. Never express an opinion other than the one the OP wants confirmed.

And never believe someone who says they'll never post again.

I can accept the OP thought my opinion was crap. What I never get is the need to make a disagreement personal.

[Danois]

Lol at no cross bred dogs in Eastern Suburbs - its DD and rescue dog central! And Maroubra is not exactly the cream of the Eastern Suburbs.

[Alyosha]

Don't forget the roaming random salukis. Where's the rolleyes man when you need it? :laugh:

[OSoSwift]

She looks GSD, LAb, Kelpie maybe spitz cross.

Remember the world is small these days and everyone can have an opinion even if you don't agree with it.

I have only ever seen one Saluki not at a show and he was desexed so I am thinking very few Salukis jumping fences and siring litters

[Greytmate]

Um okay so what for all of the puppies that spend their first 8 weeks of life in a whelping box and are not handled by people? MANY puppies experience this but are not scared of people for life. Thats just a silly comment. Also the first 3 weeks are really not that important, but the 4-6 weeks are. Plus I never said I think she is a first gen X. But I would say there are more likely only a few breeds in her rather than hundreds. Also what about the desert dogs that are taken from community dogs as young puppies and adopted into loving families? They are actually feral born and can make great pets. Your opinion is nether backed by facts or useful, but feel free to continue voicing it.

If your pup had behaviour problems at 6 weeks it is most likely that the problems are a result of her (random) genetics than because of any handling, lack of handling, abuse or whatever. One or both of the parents passed the problems on.

Haredown's comments are not silly. I think you are just disappointed that your dog isn't seen as exotic or special compared to any other carelessly breed dog. Because there is no way to tell what your dog is. It is just as likely she has hundreds of breeds in her than just a few. There is no science or rationality behind your statements, and instead of being useful, they propagate the myth that it is possible to predict the breeding of randomly bred dogs or to understand their ancestry.

The reason why we are purebreed dogs fans here isn't just their looks, it is their predictability of breeding them (when done properly) that makes them so attractive and is what distinguishes them from cross breeds. Predictability of behaviour and of looks. You don't get it with cross bred dogs.

Why can't you accept that your dog might be random cross breed? Why did you think your were buying something other than that when you took the dog home?