Unregistered Breeder Using Registered Breeder's Dog At Stud

[Jed]

I know of a breeder who regularly posts unreg litters on a certain free website. What is worse is they are a judge!!!

I hope you report to dogsqld them every single time an advertisement appears? They can't stop it if they don't know about it. Please report.

[Astese]

As someone said earlier "they reported the breeding of a registered dog to a unregistered bitch and the CC did nothing" I am sure that the State Kennel Bodies do not go out and inspect/count the puppies of every litter born they rely on the honesty of the breeders etc. Healthy puppies that have the wrong coat colour/length etc should be given away (no papers as they were not registered with the rest of the litter). Deaf blind or deformed puppies should be TPS , which they are, and are not registered on the main or limited register. Why would you do that as it is a waist of money and time especialy when the puppies are going to bePTS. I have know some breeders that have registered a still born puppy so that they had a set of papers on hand.

So we have to get real and understand that is type of thing have gone on and will continue so until the governing bodies get more realistic about breeding practices. Most of the governing bodies are about making money not the policing of wrong practices. Anyone know if any action has every been taking by their state governing bodies against the code of ethitics. I only know of one incident where someone was trialing a unregistered bitch and breeding from the same. It took some 2 yrs before the governing bodies did something about it. What did they do but make the owner produce a vet certificate stating the bitch had been spayed. Nothing against the owner or the false titles it had gain prior to being spayed.

[Astese]

Sorry I did not check what it posted but I should have said what they did was make the owner produce a Vet Certificate stating that the b itch had been spayed.etc

[angelsun]

White is a fault in the GSD but it doesn't mean that it can't be registered. According to the 'creator' of the breed, there is no bad coloured German Shepherds.....some in the 'big clubs' have tried to claim that sables are less correct and should be eliminated from the genepool.

White sheps have been around longer than people want to admit (specially the fans of the black/tans) They aren't abominations...they are simply another coat colour. No more or less healthy or sane than any other colour. Was a sin when the powers that be, decided they didn't like the colour and pushed to have them removed from the game. Perhaps we'll see them brought back, since they generally have better toplines and temperaments than the status quo.

Flame away..it's MY opinion and I'm entitled to it, as others seem to be. :)

[Astese]

Yes you are entitled to have your say. But again white is not accepted for Registered, see the ANKC Standard, Code of Ethics and Rule and Regulations.

[Janba]

Yes you are entitled to have your say. But again white is not accepted for Registered, see the ANKC Standard, Code of Ethics and Rule and Regulations.

Can you quote the clause in the regulations that doesn't allow white GSD pups resulting from main registered parents to be registered on the limited register?

[Saffioraire]

There is a living WGSD in NSW - who is registered on the limited register. He is the last. I dare say you will never see another ANKC WGSD registered (limited) as the gene has most probably been entirely bred out.

Coat colour can be a disqualification for the show ring, but has no bearing on the registration of a pup. As far as I understand it the C o E calls for ALL LIVING PUPS at the time of registration to be registered. If you had a pup who had a disqualifying fault of any sort, health issue etc they should be registered as Limited.

In terms of registering a still born, Dogs Vic now require Microchips for registration (I can't speak for other states) - so I cannot see how this is possible now days, unless you have a VERY unscrupulous vet or are one.

ETA: Please correct me if I am wrong!

Edited May 7, 2012 by Saffioraire

[LizT]

There is a living WGSD in NSW - who is registered on the limited register. He is the last. I dare say you will never see another ANKC WGSD registered (limited) as the gene has most probably been entirely bred out.

Coat colour can be a disqualification for the show ring, but has no bearing on the registration of a pup. As far as I understand it the C o E calls for ALL LIVING PUPS at the time of registration to be registered. If you had a pup who had a disqualifying fault of any sort, health issue etc they should be registered as Limited.

In terms of registering a still born, Dogs Vic now require Microchips for registration (I can't speak for other states) - so I cannot see how this is possible now days, unless you have a VERY unscrupulous vet or are one.

ETA: Please correct me if I am wrong!

I don't think stillborns or pups deceased post birth are required to be listed in any way. There is certainly nothing on the form that makes any inquiry of this possibility.

[SparkyTansy]

There are plenty of breeds where there are colours that are not allowable, that are still able to be registered on limited - I don't see how White GSD are any different.

[ozwildflower]

What happened to the topic? I was following it as I have also had problems getting anything done about a registered pedigree breeder supplying for a designer dog breeder..thought someone might have a helpful suggestion.

[Steve]

Not much more can be said about it .

its against the regs and codes and it needs to be reported - if it is reported and nothing is done about it then there is little more that can be done about it - Ive no doubt some bright spark will yell restriction of trade or some such rubbish.

Some breeds cant register their whites on the limited register even though for some time we were able to , Ive actually registered a white boxer on limited some 10 years ago but since then its not possible. Im guessing that originally when the main and limited system came in that white GSD would be able to be listed on limited too - but not much point in arguing it because limited register cant be bred anyway. Never has been able to.

Edited May 10, 2012 by Steve

[ellz]

From the ANKC Regulations

6.2 Colours

6.2.1Dogs having Non Standard colours can only be registered on the Limited

Register and are not to be registered on the Main Register. (10/06, 6.1.2)

The ANKC Ltd Allowable Colours Listing is discontinued as a mandatory

document for registration. The colours, variations and patterns as stated in the

current Breed Standards will be the criteria for registration on the Main Register.

Dogs with colours, variations or patterns not in the breed standard will be

registered on the Limited Register. (06/09 EAP)

6.2.2 Definition of Non Standard Colour – Any colour other than the allowed

colours as stated in the standard. Wrong coloured dogs shall not be eligible

to be registered in the Main Registers. (10/06, 6.1.2)

6.2.3 Definition of Poor Colour– Any variation of the allowed colours as stated in

the standard. The judge shall assess their colour on the day. These dogs

shall be registered in the Main Register and not registered in the Limited

Register because of poor Colour. (10/06, 6.1.2)

6.2.4 The registration of White Boxers is NOT permitted on any register. (05/05)

NO other breed is specifically mentioned with regard to white, so therefore White GSDs and any other breed in which white appears CAN be registered.

[Steve]

Yep but then the states have their own ideas and white boxers don't get any papers. but that doesnt affect the OP as limited or no papers means no breeding - it really is that simple

[Saffioraire]

There is a living WGSD in NSW - who is registered on the limited register. He is the last. I dare say you will never see another ANKC WGSD registered (limited) as the gene has most probably been entirely bred out.

Coat colour can be a disqualification for the show ring, but has no bearing on the registration of a pup. As far as I understand it the C o E calls for ALL LIVING PUPS at the time of registration to be registered. If you had a pup who had a disqualifying fault of any sort, health issue etc they should be registered as Limited.

In terms of registering a still born, Dogs Vic now require Microchips for registration (I can't speak for other states) - so I cannot see how this is possible now days, unless you have a VERY unscrupulous vet or are one.

ETA: Please correct me if I am wrong!

I don't think stillborns or pups deceased post birth are required to be listed in any way. There is certainly nothing on the form that makes any inquiry of this possibility.

No, I agree. But I had heard of people registering these stillborn pups so they could take dogs who were ineligable for registration and 'slot them in' so as the speak under the name of the dead pup. Mandatory microchipping puts a stop to that problem.

[Mystiqview]

I noticed yesterday when I was surfing around updating my database, there is one BC breeder here advertising registered pups on this site and also advertising a number of "purebred" litters (without mention of microchipping - {Qld Legislation)on a number of other free puppy sites.

And of course they "specialise" in the (non) allowable colours.