Dangerous Dog Laws

[Pailin]

If the father is from the QLD based "Bandogge" breeder I am thinking of (either Trublu or Southern Cross) then they should have enough information on the parentage and mixture of breeds to be able to "prove" the breeds that contributed to the sire and that they have not used pitbull. Then with the mother clearly being a Bull Mastiff, that should be enough to show parentage and that he is not a restricted breed. I would get started on acquiring this information now because if you manage to challenge the "Dangerous Dog" declaration, they are likely to turn around and try to slap on the "Restricted Breed" label.

From what I can remember the landmark Gold Coast case of the AmStaff Tango was won based on the owners being able to prove that his mother was an AmStaff and then the State Gov declared that AmStaffs are a different breed to Pitbulls and so he was able to come home.

I would also be demanding answers on WHY and seeking legal advice. I know there is a legal firm in Brisbane (perhaps you could give them a call?) called Couper Geysen who specialise in animal law. THIS IS THEIR WEBPAGE

Good luck with it all.

Edited April 27, 2012 by Pailin

[Mrs Rusty Bucket]

@Rebecca

A litter of puppies can have several different fathers... I'm wondering if one dog got where it should not have, then maybe another did too. So that could mean your dog's colour and temperment is from a completely different father. You could verify with DNA test - ie parents and puppy - with "known" parents you can verify if they are indeed the parents. But you'd have to pay for three dna tests.

But like some of the others said, who your dog's parents are is really irrelevant and your dog should not have been declared "dangerous" on that basis according to the QLD law as stated. The ranger's decision really needs challenging.

[cannibalgoldfish]

He originally wanted to put the female over another bullmastiff, but his male dog got in first.

but that would have been an interesting breeding... :p

[mymatejack]

Also, although Rocksteady sounds like a lovely dog, what his parent did should be taken as a warning of what he might be capable of if certain circumstances occur that are beyond your control. Not a dog to let off lead outside your property.

Good luck with this.

Surely you're not seriously suggesting this dog should never be let off leash outside its property because one of its parents has been involved in some sort of attack??? What do you know of the socialisation and training if the parents? What do you know of the socialisation/training of the dog in question?

[mumof4girls]

I find what this council has done outrages and absurd.. That would mean we all need to watch out In case our dogs parents attack or injure another dog and like mymatejack said we are only in control of our own dogs training and socialisation.. I wonder Rebecca if you just challenge them with the QLD act part 4 they will back down .. Good luck to you I would have a lawyer on hand also I am still dumbfounded by this..

[WExtremeG]

I doubt the the council are aware of the connection between this dog and it's parents.

[Everythings Shiny]

F11 - they would be if the owners of the parents told them. I've seen it happen before.

[Greytmate]

Also, although Rocksteady sounds like a lovely dog, what his parent did should be taken as a warning of what he might be capable of if certain circumstances occur that are beyond your control. Not a dog to let off lead outside your property.

Good luck with this.

Surely you're not seriously suggesting this dog should never be let off leash outside its property because one of its parents has been involved in some sort of attack??? What do you know of the socialisation and training if the parents? What do you know of the socialisation/training of the dog in question?

Socialisation and training doesn't totally override genetic instinct. There is nothing to suggest that Rocksteady has had any formal training that would proof him in every situation or that his owner has a deep understanding of dog behaviour. My point was about what could happen when a situation is out of the handlers control. Out in public.

Rocksteady's parents are likely to be just as lovely and sooky as he is in temperament. But obviously there is a hidden side to their behaviour that is terrible, and the aim is to make sure Rocksteady is never put in a situation were that behaviour might be encouraged in him. Especially now he has come to council attention. I didn't say that Rocksteady will attack, I used the word might. I just think Rebbecca should be very careful with him. He doesn't deserve to be declared dangerous, and hopefully he never will be.

[Alyosha]

I doubt the the council are aware of the connection between this dog and it's parents.

Didn't the OP say they lived in the same street?

[MishB]

Also, although Rocksteady sounds like a lovely dog, what his parent did should be taken as a warning of what he might be capable of if certain circumstances occur that are beyond your control. Not a dog to let off lead outside your property.

Good luck with this.

Surely you're not seriously suggesting this dog should never be let off leash outside its property because one of its parents has been involved in some sort of attack??? What do you know of the socialisation and training if the parents? What do you know of the socialisation/training of the dog in question?

I didnt take Greytmates comments to mean that Rocksteady should NEVER be off lead outside his property, I took it to mean that he shouldnt be just let out of the property without being under his owners direct control.

Rocksteady sounds like he is a sweetheart.

However,simply because of his sheer physical size and strength has the ability to do a lot of damage if not under her control.Even during a play he could cause damage if not settled back down to a more acceptable state by his owner.It could happen in the blink of an eye, and is what it is.

I know there are exceptions to every rule, but bully type breeds are more likely to dog aggression.Same as greyhounds are more likely to chase, kelpies to herd etc.If it were my dog I wouldnt let him out if I wasnt in control of him regardless of what his mother has done.

[Whippetsmum]

Good luck Rebecca and Rocksteady,

I hope you get some sense out of the Ranger so you can defend this, it's so wrong that you might have to get a Lawyer for this.

Would anyone know if character references are of any use in something like this? I was thinking it only takes one person to make a complaint, so could the situation be balanced by stat decs from neighbours that this dog has not been a problem? If neighbours could say they've never seen him out of his yard without a lead would that help at all?

[Her Majesty Dogmad]

He originally wanted to put the female over another bullmastiff, but his male dog got in first.

but that would have been an interesting breeding... :p

You can actually abort an unwanted litter. Why have dogs like this, undesexed and on heat, running round together. It sounds extremely irresponsible to me, from the dogs' point of view. Why would you be breeding this sort of crossbreed deliberately in the first place? Why is my biggest question, why breed these crossbreeds, why not be more careful and obviously if the parents have attacked another dog(s) this is not an owner that is responsible in any way.

[MishB]

He originally wanted to put the female over another bullmastiff, but his male dog got in first.

but that would have been an interesting breeding... :p

You can actually abort an unwanted litter. Why have dogs like this, undesexed and on heat, running round together. It sounds extremely irresponsible to me, from the dogs' point of view. Why would you be breeding this sort of crossbreed deliberately in the first place? Why is my biggest question, why breed these crossbreeds, why not be more careful and obviously if the parents have attacked another dog(s) this is not an owner that is responsible in any way.

Actually, that is a really good point. I agree completely!

[Bullbreedlover]

He originally wanted to put the female over another bullmastiff, but his male dog got in first.

but that would have been an interesting breeding... :p

You can actually abort an unwanted litter. Why have dogs like this, undesexed and on heat, running round together. It sounds extremely irresponsible to me, from the dogs' point of view. Why would you be breeding this sort of crossbreed deliberately in the first place? Why is my biggest question, why breed these crossbreeds, why not be more careful and obviously if the parents have attacked another dog(s) this is not an owner that is responsible in any way.

That has to be one of the best posts that this thread contains.

Personally I would be interested in seeing the pedigree and a photo of the purebred Bullmastiff bitch which is the dam of this pup. And question how the owners of this bitch contributed to her aggressive upbringing.

[Angeluca]

He originally wanted to put the female over another bullmastiff, but his male dog got in first.

but that would have been an interesting breeding... :p

You can actually abort an unwanted litter. Why have dogs like this, undesexed and on heat, running round together. It sounds extremely irresponsible to me, from the dogs' point of view. Why would you be breeding this sort of crossbreed deliberately in the first place? Why is my biggest question, why breed these crossbreeds, why not be more careful and obviously if the parents have attacked another dog(s) this is not an owner that is responsible in any way.

That has to be one of the best posts that this thread contains.

Personally I would be interested in seeing the pedigree and a photo of the purebred Bullmastiff bitch which is the dam of this pup. And question how the owners of this bitch contributed to her aggressive upbringing.

Considering this thread wasn't about whether the breeder should have kept the litter! it is about advice to a person who obtained a pup, and is now getting screwed over by her local council. The OP didn't breed the dog, and many people are still going to the pound/rescue and buying x bred bully types. They too run the risk of the same situation.

IMO the Best posts would be those whom have been constructive with advice to a fellow dog owner in a difficult position.

Edited April 30, 2012 by Angeluca

[Bullbreedlover]

He originally wanted to put the female over another bullmastiff, but his male dog got in first.

but that would have been an interesting breeding... :p

You can actually abort an unwanted litter. Why have dogs like this, undesexed and on heat, running round together. It sounds extremely irresponsible to me, from the dogs' point of view. Why would you be breeding this sort of crossbreed deliberately in the first place? Why is my biggest question, why breed these crossbreeds, why not be more careful and obviously if the parents have attacked another dog(s) this is not an owner that is responsible in any way.

That has to be one of the best posts that this thread contains.

Personally I would be interested in seeing the pedigree and a photo of the purebred Bullmastiff bitch which is the dam of this pup. And question how the owners of this bitch contributed to her aggressive upbringing.

Considering this thread wasn't about whether the breeder should have kept the litter! it is about advice to a person who obtained a pup, and is now getting screwed over by her local council. The OP didn't breed the dog, and many people are still going to the pound/rescue and buying x bred bully types. They too run the risk of the same situation.

IMO the Best posts would be those whom have been constructive with advice to a fellow dog owner in a difficult position.

Oh we all know that this thread isnt about the breeder, but at the end of the day, it all comes back to the breeder and the things that happen that can come back to bite them and the owners in the arse.

[OSoSwift]

I would be asking why exactly they are trying to declare him as a dangerous dog, if it is becasue his parents have caused an issue they haven't a leg to stand on. Having said that get some good legal advice. You could also try contacting K9 Pro (they advertise in the banners up the top of the page )

[mantis]

Considering this thread wasn't about whether the breeder should have kept the litter! it is about advice to a person who obtained a pup, and is now getting screwed over by her local council. The OP didn't breed the dog, and many people are still going to the pound/rescue and buying x bred bully types. They too run the risk of the same situation.

IMO the Best posts would be those whom have been constructive with advice to a fellow dog owner in a difficult position.

Totally agree, fortunately the OP got some great advice, I just hope they take it onboard & things turn out OK.