Lyss Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Hi everyone my name is Alyssa and I live in Tamworth NSW. I have grown up around dogs and all sorts of animals. My mum was a Irish Wolfhound breeder and and has shown different breeds of dogs in her time. Her kennel name was Beleriand (sorry not sure if thats the correct spelling ). I even showed a minature wired haired dachshound and a blood hound when I was a child/ teen. I'am now 23 years young and live with my Partner, my mum has since given up showing her dogs and now keeps her deerhound and dachshound (who is now 12 years old) as pets (mum currently lives in Glen Innes). I recently purchased a 'pure bred' Bull terrier off a back yard breeder who I would like to call all of the inapropriate names under the sun but I don't think they would get me any where. My bitches name was Calli and sadly after knowing her for only three short days she passed away at just 9 weeks old. We took her to the vets the day after we got her for a vet check. I knew she wasn't in the best of health but every one including our vet put this down to the massive infestation of worms. We got her micro chipped and vaccinated and were hypocondriacs about letting any one near her as she was yet to have any protection againts any virus. The next day poor Calli went down hill and was vommiting live worms up every where. My partner and I sryringe fed her to keep her going expecting that she was only unwell due to upsetting all of the worms in her poor belly, by given her a puppy wormer. We even went into the vets (without Calli) asking what we could do and our vet told us to keep going with the syringe feeding and it would only be the worms causing this upset. That night we slept with Calli in our bed waking up every 2 hours to feed her and let her out to the toliet. The following morning Calli woke up and did a bloody smelly poo and vommited up a foamy wormy mess. I prayed that the blood was only hook worm but Calli was very lethargic and her gums had turned a ghostly white. We rushed her into the vets and had some tests run and the vet confirmed that she had parvo and a very slim chance of making it even with treatment. We were told that she most likely had parvo the day that we brought her but due to her worms and her being a brand new member of our family we mistook all of her signs of decline. It broke our hearts but we decided to let poor Calli go peacefully. It was even more horrible not being able to take her poor little body home or keep any of her precious things . After trying to ring her breeder numerous times and giving him the benefit of the doubt we filed a report to the RSPCA. I joined this forum in search of somebody who could help me find a 3-6 month old bull terrier puppy who has had all of her vaccinations for a year (as our back yard may still contain parvo virus despite bleaching and throwing away everything ). I'am not looking for a show dog just a companion and a member of our family as Calli has left a big hole in our hearts. I would prefer a bitch as there is a full male staffy next door to us and I would be afraid of getting a dog and stressing both of them out by a war through our fence. I would only go through a registerd breeder or rescue group now as understandibly I DO NOT trust back yard breeders. I'am happy to sign any contracts regarding the well being of a puppy as my mum also used to ask people to sign contracts so I know it is a nessary thing for peace of mind from a decent breeder. I am also happy to stay in contact with her breeder and continue on with this site to help me gain more knowledge about our four legged friends. She would be an only dog child (besides my two ferrets who I would keep away from her as she is a terrier) but I intend on taking her to puppy preschool, obidience classes and for visits to my partners grandfathers farm of a weekend so she would be well adjusted and socialised. I'am sorry if this was an inappropriate place to post this I just wasn't sure where eles to go to express how important it is for me to get a FULLY vaccinated pup as I never ever want to see a dog go through that pain again . Also I added a picture of my poor beautiful girl RIP Calli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esky the husky Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/puppies/bull-terrier.asp There are the DOL puppy listings, there was at least 1 older pup in there. I'm so sorry to hear about your puppy, it's the hardest way to learn why registered breeders are a better choice. R.I.P Calli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missymoo Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Hi, sorry to hear about your baby. I would wait at LEAST 6 months if it was parvo...if not longer and cover every inch of your lawn with lime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 How very sad for you. But I do agree I would be following MissyMoos advice and I wouldnt be buying any pup any time soon at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Oh how horrible for you and Calli I also would not advise getting a puppy for at least 6-12 months. Even a puppy that has had vaccinations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe001 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 There is a 1/2 yr female at Blacktown pound. Page 2 (maybe 3) of the Blacktown thread. No idea if it would be ok to get an adult dog - others will know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 welcome to the forum, i am sorry for your loss Parvo lives in the ground, so its really hard to get rid of. If you want an older female, there are plenty of breeders looking to place ex breeding or show dogs. I didn't want a pup, so looked through the pages of bully breeders till i liked the look of their dogs, then contacted them to see if they had any older ones.Alot of breeders don't show on their site the older ones looking for homes, so its a good idea to just ask. ' Linus' is a member here, and she often knows of older bullys looking for homes, she is also great for advice, try sending her a pm. There is a female in Blacktown pound atm if you look in the rescue section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyss Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 Thank you every one for your speedy replies :) . Under the vets recomendation we threw out every thing Calli had touched and picked up poo's and bleached every area where she went to the toliet so our yard is looking a bit dead at the moment. I also was told that our frosts up here will help kill the bacteria in our yard (not sure if thats an old wives tale). Our vet recommended if we got a fully vaccinated dog she would be fine but as the virus can stay around for up to 7 years I would never take anything other than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdie Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I am so very sorry for your loss.The very same thing happened to me many years ago when i was a teenager.I purchased a Bull Terrier pup from a market and when i got her home she had the runs realy bad so i took her to the vet.Like your pup she was already ill and was given treatment but it was too late.Some weeks later she was having fits and foaming at the mouth.She was PTS.I urge you to wait 12 months before getting another dog .Even one who has been vaccinated as they could still get sick.I know it wil be hard to wait but it will be worth the wait to be confident the virus is out of the environment.When the time is right you can get a healthy dog from a good registered breeder. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I think you would be fine with an older dog fully vaccinated, after all how do we know where a parvo dog has been, vets, park etc, and all our vaccinated dogs are fine, thats why they are vaccinated, so they don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) An adult dog would be far safer than a pup but vaccinated dogs, even adults, can and do get parvo. Edited April 18, 2012 by Aussie3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdie Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Do google -Parvovirus in the environment. ""A parvoviral infection can be picked up anywhere though it is easier to pick up an infection in an area where an infected dog has been present.because of the larger amount of virus present in a contaminated area.Freezing is completely protective to the virus.If the outdoors is contaminated and is frozen,one must wait for it to thaw out before introducing a puppy.Shaded areas should be considered contaminated for 7 months.Areas with good sunlight exposure should be considered contaminated for 5 months."" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Do google -Parvovirus in the environment. ""A parvoviral infection can be picked up anywhere though it is easier to pick up an infection in an area where an infected dog has been present.because of the larger amount of virus present in a contaminated area.Freezing is completely protective to the virus.If the outdoors is contaminated and is frozen,one must wait for it to thaw out before introducing a puppy.Shaded areas should be considered contaminated for 7 months.Areas with good sunlight exposure should be considered contaminated for 5 months."" This, frost won't kill parvo, it's VERY hard to get rid of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyss Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) "The best and most effective disinfectant against viruses (including parvoviruses) is BLEACH. One part bleach is mixed with 30 parts water and is applied to bowls, floors, surfaces, toys, bedding, and anything contaminated that is colorfast or for which color changes are not important. At least 10 minutes of contact time with the bleach solution is needed to kill the virus. Steam cleaning is also able to kill the virus. Bleach completely kills parvovirus" - http://www.marvistavet.com/html/the_parvo_virus_in_the_environ.html I thought that might be an old wives tale (frost killing parvo). I believe this is the site you went on which is extremely helpful. Another quote from the site. "Disinfection becomes problematic for non-bleachable surfaces such as carpet or lawn. Outdoors, if good drainage is available, thorough watering down of the area may dilute any virus present. Since carpet is indoors, it may be best to simply wait a good month or so for the virus to die off before allowing any puppies access to the area" I did bleach my lawn and it has rained quite alot since, I have also steam cleaned my carpet. I'am young but i'am not completley ignorant when it comes to dogs or animals. To make myself clear I don't want a puppy right now but if any body has a pregnet bitch or a new litter who is willing to hold onto a puppy until they have had all of there vaccinations or has a juvenile bitch (which yes can still get parvo but is incredibly rare in a fully vaccinated dog) that hasn't worked out as a show dog please let me know by PMing me. Another quote from the same website which is why it is so important to get your dog vaccinated. "It is important to realize that because the canine parvovirus is so hardy in the environment, it is considered "ubiquitous." This means that NO ENVIRONMENT is free from this virus unless it is regularly disinfected." Something to think of if your moving into a rental.... Also with the waiting 7 months thing.. even that doesn't ensure that the parvo is gone parvo can live in the ground for up to 7 years (in unsterlised places such as a park). Edited April 18, 2012 by Lyss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erinonthefarm Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) I had a puppy with parvo go into my yard (we are at a police station and a relieving member bought his sick puppy out and she then was diagnosed with parvo after pooing all through our yard.) The breeder I decided on was happy to hold a puppy until a week after the last immunisation and I had no trouble. Good Luck, I'm really sorry about your poor little baby and I understand why you would want another little baby soon- I found that having a puppy at least on the way was enough to help cope with the loss of our adult dog. I also sought advice from my local vets and the monash vets who look after my breeder and they confirmed that the risk was minimal. Edited April 18, 2012 by erinonthefarm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) "The best and most effective disinfectant against viruses (including parvoviruses) is BLEACH. One part bleach is mixed with 30 parts water and is applied to bowls, floors, surfaces, toys, bedding, and anything contaminated that is colorfast or for which color changes are not important. At least 10 minutes of contact time with the bleach solution is needed to kill the virus. Steam cleaning is also able to kill the virus. Bleach completely kills parvovirus" - http://www.marvistavet.com/html/the_parvo_virus_in_the_environ.html I thought that might be an old wives tale (frost killing parvo). I believe this is the site you went on which is extremely helpful. Another quote from the site. "Disinfection becomes problematic for non-bleachable surfaces such as carpet or lawn. Outdoors, if good drainage is available, thorough watering down of the area may dilute any virus present. Since carpet is indoors, it may be best to simply wait a good month or so for the virus to die off before allowing any puppies access to the area" I did bleach my lawn and it has rained quite alot since, I have also steam cleaned my carpet. I'am young but i'am not completley ignorant when it comes to dogs or animals. To make myself clear I don't want a puppy right now but if any body has a pregnet bitch or a new litter who is willing to hold onto a puppy until they have had all of there vaccinations or has a juvenile bitch (which yes can still get parvo but is incredibly rare in a fully vaccinated dog) that hasn't worked out as a show dog please let me know by PMing me. Another quote from the same website which is why it is so important to get your dog vaccinated. "It is important to realize that because the canine parvovirus is so hardy in the environment, it is considered "ubiquitous." This means that NO ENVIRONMENT is free from this virus unless it is regularly disinfected." Something to think of if your moving into a rental.... Also with the waiting 7 months thing.. even that doesn't ensure that the parvo is gone parvo can live in the ground for up to 7 years (in unsterlised places such as a park). So true. When we were renting it was always a concern that we didn't know what had been in the yard. I hope you find a suitable dog soon Lyss. Edited April 18, 2012 by Aussie3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 welcome to the forum, i am sorry for your loss Parvo lives in the ground, so its really hard to get rid of. If you want an older female, there are plenty of breeders looking to place ex breeding or show dogs. I didn't want a pup, so looked through the pages of bully breeders till i liked the look of their dogs, then contacted them to see if they had any older ones.Alot of breeders don't show on their site the older ones looking for homes, so its a good idea to just ask. ' Linus' is a member here, and she often knows of older bullys looking for homes, she is also great for advice, try sending her a pm. There is a female in Blacktown pound atm if you look in the rescue section. Hey Juice Haven't seen you for a while, thanks for the compliments. I actually spoke to Vinny, Bonne's breeder during the Bull Terrier Specialty show last Easter. I think that girl in Blacktown is in the process of being rehomed. Linus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I would go with the advice of your vet Lyss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Hi Lyss Welcome to the forum and sorry to hear of your loss, especially for such a young pup..it is a terrible thing to go thru. Lyss, are you on Facebook? There is a Bull Terrier rescue group which is based on the Central Coast of NSW, it is run by a friend of mine Leah, she also on occasion organises Bully Walks along Ettalong Beach, we are actually due for one shortly..weather permitting. The group goes by the name of Central Coast Bull Terrier Rescue on facebook. Sometimes available are papered dogs, though currently am not too sure if there are any pups available. Leah can sometimes match yourself to someone who may want to rehome their dog. There can be a fee as well but this will only apply to the desexing of the dog, as Leah will no longer rehome undesexed animals.. Let me know how you go, would gladly help you into the right direction. Linus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Ot, but i don't have fb Linus, can you pm me when the next walk is? also when is the next funday,or have i missed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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