Aetherglow Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Graham, that is a pity. In that case the ANKC should clarify that on their website, as I have taken the first thing I found, which was under a very accessible link on their main breed standards page. I assumed in Vic that the ANKC policy would apply as I couldn't find anything further on their site, but if ANKC have different advice in different places, any wonder I was confused. I still am! I'd still choose a brindle boxer personally as I like the colour, but I'm glad at least some whites are out there leading a happy life, hopefully from reputable breeders who made an ethical decision to go one way of the argument :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 I did a bit of research on the ANKC site and there is no longer any restriction on registering non-standard colours on the limited register for any breed. It therefore is possible to register whites on the limited register only, which therefore means that boxer breeders will not risk their registration by selling whites as pets. Which of course totally answers my question about why whites can't be registered - these days they can! The ANKC Regulations Part 6 The Register and Registration was not altered when the Allowable Colours listing was implemented, revised and repealled. Clause 6.2.4 still states - "The registration of White Boxers is NOT permitted on any register". Graham And I think you will find the same with the GSD. They simply WONT allow whites on the Register as it is "not recognised" is the term they like to use. And that decision is not even associated with any health concerns real or imagined. No, you can limit register any dog of any colour EXCEPT white Boxers. They are the only ones not allowed on any register. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3amigos Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) Thought I would hop in here. I have 3 white boxers, they are pets, one is deaf. As a PET owner I don't care if my dogs are tartan to be honest. My responsibility is to make sure that my pets dont breed, they are healthy, have access to vet care, they are not a risk to the community, they are trained and socialised and kept safe. Personally I don't see the need to euthanase white boxers, the pup could be desexed before it is sold but this is the breeders choice based on experience and their ability to appropriately rehome. Putting them into rescue should never be an option, rescues are full of dogs people dont want. 2 of mine are rescued which includes the deaf one, the other from a breeder in NSW. We had to meet strict criteria to get our dog from a breeder and rightly so. Our deaf dog has been a steep learning curve in regard to management and training. Having a deaf dog or any special needs dog is not for everyone, it takes hard work, persistance and rethinking how you manage a dog. There are not many around who have the skills or knowledge to manage a deaf dog nor the patience to educate themselves to do it. Yes boxers have a slighly higher incidence of cancers, thats the breed, not because of the colour. Yes the white boxers are prone to sunburn, thats the same for any white dog. My views are purely personal and based on experience as a pet owner, I have 3 wonderful dogs, all have their quirks and that makes them more adorable. Gabby was battered, bred and starved before dumping, she is possible the most amazing dog I have ever had. Henry is a looney, he is spotty, has one blue eye and one blue/brown eye. He is a clown. Oliver was passed around not well socialised or trained, completely deaf. Reading this they are all misfits and I wouldnt have it any other way. I guess what I am saying is that dogs who don't fit into that "perfect" box are difficult to home and everything needs to be taken into consideration for their long term well being. Our dogs are lucky that they ended up in the right place, perhaps I am the lucky one! Oh I like you Thanks 3Amigos Enough said really...closing my eye and walfing away... ( I really need a "f*** em" sign)WALKING...I Hate typing FFS Have a wonderful day!!! Edited April 3, 2012 by 3amigos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaY Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 I did a bit of research on the ANKC site and there is no longer any restriction on registering non-standard colours on the limited register for any breed. It therefore is possible to register whites on the limited register only, which therefore means that boxer breeders will not risk their registration by selling whites as pets. Which of course totally answers my question about why whites can't be registered - these days they can! The ANKC Regulations Part 6 The Register and Registration was not altered when the Allowable Colours listing was implemented, revised and repealled. Clause 6.2.4 still states - "The registration of White Boxers is NOT permitted on any register". Graham And I think you will find the same with the GSD. They simply WONT allow whites on the Register as it is "not recognised" is the term they like to use. And that decision is not even associated with any health concerns real or imagined. No, you can limit register any dog of any colour EXCEPT white Boxers. They are the only ones not allowed on any register. Which is stupid! You are told you have to registered every living puppy, yet you can't register a white one? SOoo are they saying to you, you have to PTS at birth??? They should be put on limited registration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarsHollow Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) I did a bit of research on the ANKC site and there is no longer any restriction on registering non-standard colours on the limited register for any breed. It therefore is possible to register whites on the limited register only, which therefore means that boxer breeders will not risk their registration by selling whites as pets. Which of course totally answers my question about why whites can't be registered - these days they can! The ANKC Regulations Part 6 The Register and Registration was not altered when the Allowable Colours listing was implemented, revised and repealled. Clause 6.2.4 still states - "The registration of White Boxers is NOT permitted on any register". Graham And I think you will find the same with the GSD. They simply WONT allow whites on the Register as it is "not recognised" is the term they like to use. And that decision is not even associated with any health concerns real or imagined. No, you can limit register any dog of any colour EXCEPT white Boxers. They are the only ones not allowed on any register. Which is stupid! You are told you have to registered every living puppy, yet you can't register a white one? SOoo are they saying to you, you have to PTS at birth??? They should be put on limited registration. Soooo confusing, would really like to know what is the real implications and registration qualifications in all states and territories in the country, there seems to be so many discrepancies Who knows !! Edited April 4, 2012 by StarsHollow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 I did a bit of research on the ANKC site and there is no longer any restriction on registering non-standard colours on the limited register for any breed. It therefore is possible to register whites on the limited register only, which therefore means that boxer breeders will not risk their registration by selling whites as pets. Which of course totally answers my question about why whites can't be registered - these days they can! The ANKC Regulations Part 6 The Register and Registration was not altered when the Allowable Colours listing was implemented, revised and repealled. Clause 6.2.4 still states - "The registration of White Boxers is NOT permitted on any register". Graham And I think you will find the same with the GSD. They simply WONT allow whites on the Register as it is "not recognised" is the term they like to use. And that decision is not even associated with any health concerns real or imagined. No, you can limit register any dog of any colour EXCEPT white Boxers. They are the only ones not allowed on any register. Which is stupid! You are told you have to registered every living puppy, yet you can't register a white one? SOoo are they saying to you, you have to PTS at birth??? They should be put on limited registration. Soooo confusing, would really like to know what is the real implications and registration qualifications in all states and territories in the country, there seems to be so many discrepancies Who knows !! So, if you happened to breed a "freak of nature", such as the Albino, of any breed (except a Boxer) it would be registered on LR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaY Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 So, if you happened to breed a "freak of nature", such as the Albino, of any breed (except a Boxer) it would be registered on LR. Yes. I breed two blue fawns last year (fawn with blue masks), standard colour is Fawn with black mask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouty Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I will ask again the question that seems to be being avoided. So does anyone here actually know first hand a breeder who euthanases white boxer pups or is this all an indignant storm over rumours and innuendo? Someone told someone that they heard it was done so it of course must be so. A note on the term 'chrome' referred to earlier. The saying 'a lot of chrome' is one often used in the horse world and transferred to the dog world when referring to an animal with a lot of white on it's legs and face. I.e. The 'shiny bits' on the wheels and grill <img src='http://www.dolforums.com.au/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> I can say that in 2009 I was looking for a red boxer bitch. We went through about 21 breeders. When we finally put a deposit on a pup, I received a phone call that same day. It was from a breeder in this state saying she has just come back from her vet. She then, went on to say that she had a nice big litter of 11 and three whites were left at the vet to be put down as the mother would struggle to feed the rest. That made me stick to my stomach, even if I did not have a boxer pup yet, I certainly was not going to purchase one from her. My flashy boxer Boston had three white siblings, nothing wrong with them. Sure they were not fully registered and were sold cheaper, that doesn't make them really any different. They were all made from the same mum and dad. I have also recently heard of a white bitch from a breeder that I was turned away from mating with a solid just to get flashy pups. If that is true and it does go ahead. Can the pups therefore still be fully registered? Scout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) Scouty I have also recently heard of a white bitch from a breeder that I was turned away from mating with a solid just to get flashy pups. If that is true and it does go ahead. Can the pups therefore still be fully registered? Only if the breeder lies on the paperwork to register the pups with their state CC. You cannot register white boxers, so if you want to register her pups, you would have to lie about her colour. And I don't see, as a breeder any problem about registration. Those are the rules, and as a CC member, I abide by them. Whites cannot be registered, so breeders don't register them. Breeders are not disobeying the rules of the CC because white boxers cannot be registered. The subject of registration of white boxers and whether breeders are in breach of the CC regulations have been done to death on this forum. There are breeders and owners agitating to have them registered, in several counties. Be interesting to see what happens. :) I am surprised this thread could be resuscitated!! Edited January 16, 2013 by Jed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katdogs Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 This is like a zombie thread - it will not die! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Rushes off for silver bullet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t a i l s. Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Silver bullets are werewolves Jed! You'll need an axe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillbear Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Silver bullets are werewolves Jed! You'll need an axe! hell better use an axe and the silver bullets just to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aetherglow Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I thought it was shotguns for zombies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Who are the ones who hop out of the coffin at night and bite people on the neck --- vampires. They arethe ones for the wooden stake and the silver bullet. Yes, I think my zombie research (via such instructive films as "Night of the Living Dead") do seem to suggest a few blasts with a shotgun. Others suggest running over with cars, or wet work with a machete or cane knife. Looks like I got the wrong stuff. *Rushes off for shotgun, machete and cane knife, also petrol*. This is hard work really. Wonder if dettol spray would do for them?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaCC Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Personal Zombie weapon of choice: Chainsaw, battery operated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Many Coloured Great Dane Breeders euthanise White puppies. There is more to a white puppy than just deafness, there are many more defective traits. In Danes, see here: I'm not sure if this relates to other breeds but it seems logical that it would? http://www.chromadane.com/whites.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aetherglow Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Who are the ones who hop out of the coffin at night and bite people on the neck --- vampires. They arethe ones for the wooden stake and the silver bullet. Yes, I think my zombie research (via such instructive films as "Night of the Living Dead") do seem to suggest a few blasts with a shotgun. Others suggest running over with cars, or wet work with a machete or cane knife. Looks like I got the wrong stuff. *Rushes off for shotgun, machete and cane knife, also petrol*. This is hard work really. Wonder if dettol spray would do for them?? Perhaps Windex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I'm not sure if this question has been asked, and apologies if this is a stupid one, but if a dog produces white puppies do they stop breeding that dog? I mean, is it a gene that is carried and is it as simple as not breeding the dogs that produce white puppies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aetherglow Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I'm not sure if this question has been asked, and apologies if this is a stupid one, but if a dog produces white puppies do they stop breeding that dog? I mean, is it a gene that is carried and is it as simple as not breeding the dogs that produce white puppies? *puts down the shotgun for a moment* The issue is that "flashy" is desirable, so most breeding stock that has done well in the showring will be flashy. Provided that only the normal white gene is in operation (as brought up earlier in the thread, there seems to be some evidence that another gene may also exist), flashy x flashy will always produce an average of one in four white pups. So no, dogs that produce white will still be used, and often in matings that will likely produce white. The article on white Great Danes has limited relevance to Boxers as it mostly discusses the effects of the merle gene, which doesn't exist in Boxers. Piebald white is less problematic than double merle white. I think that article was referred to earlier in the thread. *picks up shotgun* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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