leopuppy04 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Yup - I'm having one of those days! My most HATED comment when people ask about my puppies (currently 4 weeks old): Person: "How are the pups going" Me "Really good... they're getting big now!" P: (asks a few more questions about them eg: have they all got homes etc etc) "how much do you sell them for again" Me: "$1200, plus a $200 deposit which is refunded once the dog is desexed. P: "How many pups did she have?" M: 5 P: "Oh that's a nice little profit!" M: "Hardly!" Then I get a strange look as if to say but why not? I've done the calculations in my head! Ugh - seriously, this is my most HATED conversation. Lets do the maths shall we.... I've had to pay for the stud fee, plus 2 AI's because we couldn't get a natural, plus a Cesar, coz that's just my luck. Add in countless sleepless nights before and after the birth and in the first weeks. Plus the feeding of the pups, caring for the mum, all the CLEANING all the time you spend on the phone quizzing and talking to potential buyers which in a NORMAL job that would be paid work. All the socialisation and ensuring that the puppies get sufficient handling and dog to dog social. Plus writing up all the puppy packs, follow ups once the puppies leave home, plus the stress of sick puppies, more sleepless nights while you nurse that puppy back to health. Even if you DO make some money, all of that goes back into the dogs, the care, future litters that don't go so well, the up keep and the health testing of your breeding stock. Yeah.... I make money to go on a holiday!!! And what makes me most mad of all.... these friggen people work at an animal welfare agency, meaning they should KNOW the difference about responsible breeding a BYB!!!!!! Ok rant over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voloclydes Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 have the same drama with horses, but they only want to pay $500.00 for horse who is olympic quality.... who goes to that level... certainly not some one with only $500.00 to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esky the husky Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 And then some people don't do any of the hard work. BYB their dog and make a whole lot of profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeimMe Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 They're your dogs - you can charge whatever you like for them. No need to justify the price to anyone. The price is the price :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WExtremeG Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Yup - I'm having one of those days! My most HATED comment when people ask about my puppies (currently 4 weeks old): Person: "How are the pups going" Me "Really good... they're getting big now!" P: (asks a few more questions about them eg: have they all got homes etc etc) "how much do you sell them for again" Me: "$1200, plus a $200 deposit which is refunded once the dog is desexed. P: "How many pups did she have?" M: 5 P: "Oh that's a nice little profit!" M: "Hardly!" Then I get a strange look as if to say but why not? I've done the calculations in my head! Ugh - seriously, this is my most HATED conversation. Lets do the maths shall we.... I've had to pay for the stud fee, plus 2 AI's because we couldn't get a natural, plus a Cesar, coz that's just my luck. Add in countless sleepless nights before and after the birth and in the first weeks. Plus the feeding of the pups, caring for the mum, all the CLEANING all the time you spend on the phone quizzing and talking to potential buyers which in a NORMAL job that would be paid work. All the socialisation and ensuring that the puppies get sufficient handling and dog to dog social. Plus writing up all the puppy packs, follow ups once the puppies leave home, plus the stress of sick puppies, more sleepless nights while you nurse that puppy back to health. Even if you DO make some money, all of that goes back into the dogs, the care, future litters that don't go so well, the up keep and the health testing of your breeding stock. Yeah.... I make money to go on a holiday!!! And what makes me most mad of all.... these friggen people work at an animal welfare agency, meaning they should KNOW the difference about responsible breeding a BYB!!!!!! Ok rant over! Not to mention Micro-chipping, Vaxxing and Worming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) And then some people don't do any of the hard work. BYB their dog and make a whole lot of profit true, but I think it's wrong to assume when you *work* with me that I am in it for the profit. What irks me also is that if I was to sell a 'mature' dog or an older puppy that people want a discount. If for whatever reason I was moving a dog on from my home, you would be getting a house trained, fully obedience trained, well socialised puppy.... that's far more than what you get with an 8wks old pup. JMO. taht doesn't irate me as much, but what irks me is that peoples first assumption (from those that should know better!) is that everyone breeds for 'money' F-11 - how could I forget! And eye tests! Have to get my bubbies eye tested too ;) Edited March 20, 2012 by leopuppy04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefairy Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Deep Breath's....in and out....count to ten and walk away ;) I have heard it from people too, and I have nothing to do with breeding....I just read DOL a lot ;) (I mean thats where I know how much blood tears and tears go into it....not $$$$) Lynn Edited March 20, 2012 by Bluefairy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Yeah I never assume breeders make much profit from their pups. Just ignore them LP. :) *walks away from thread slowly as now I want another Aussie puppy* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natsu chan Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 LOL! Oh dear, frustrating isn't it. I had people saying that about the breeder of my young one as it was quite a big litter. So I just smiled sweetly and said oh well I guess so I mean the stud fee cost xyz, flying him out from Perth must have cost xyz, hip and elbow scoring mum oh about xyz, and so forth she must be making a mint even after all that at xyz a pup. It was amzing how quickly they would say s**t why does she bother! LOL! Most people, and yep even people who should know better don't have the faintest idea of how much it all really costs. Once they have had it fairly innocently laid out before them they get quite a shock. :laugh: Just keep looking at those beautiful Kinta babies and remind yourself why you're doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeckoTree Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Charge 2000 and profit. Why is making a bit extra on a litter so frowned upon anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kia Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 It is incredible isn't it.....a pet shop can charge $1000 for a cross bred mutt with no health testing of it or parents and nobody batts an eye lid. Responsible breeders get boohoo'd for asking that amount after doing all testing on parents and pups. Oh well,,,,,our aussie babies will have extra special homes<g> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayly Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Mum and I worked out that with all the problems we have had, Rosie (for those that don't know, the only pup we got from Ruby's two litters) cost us $5000 so far and she's only 3 weeks. For one puppy. That won't be sold. :laugh: Not to mention the time taken off work, the petrol to and from the vets, the numerous sleepless nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boronia Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Mum and I worked out that with all the problems we have had, Rosie (for those that don't know, the only pup we got from Ruby's two litters) cost us $5000 so far and she's only 3 weeks. For one puppy. That won't be sold. :laugh: Not to mention the time taken off work, the petrol to and from the vets, the numerous sleepless nights. I can imagine that would be the case Lindsay! I was watching your posts on the Breeders forum and was so sorry all the other little ones had not made it I love the looks of Ruby and it must have been heartbreaking for you not to have a heap of tiny Ruby's. The little one is going great-guns though and will be your ❤ pup. Edited March 20, 2012 by Boronia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Welcome to the club Leo puppy04. Wait till you have been doing it for as long as some of us have. By the way, you left out the cost the bitch in the first place and the cost of proving that she is worthy to be bred by putting a title on her. Add up all her costs plus the entry fees. Yes, it is about time some of us made a profit, by I don't know how with the price we charege. If we really did charge a true price we would never sell a pup. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffyluv Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 BYBers probably don't really add up the costs of having a litter - they probably just look at 5 pups at $400+ each = $2000+ in their pocket. They may not don't think of the extra food for mum, worming, vaccinations, microchipping etc - because they probably don't do the majority of it... So when they see breeders selling their pups at $1000+ each, they only think of the profit they could have made if they had sold their pups at that price... My non breeders idea of BYBing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwp4me Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I for one, am grateful, to all of you breeders, and appreciate all your hard work, dedication, and worries you had - not to lose those pups. You have huge costs, many of my pups came from imported parents, I would never begrudge what I paid for them. I think to pay $1200 for a pup of quality, is a bargain. My smoking husband pays nearly $100 for a carton of cigarettes, for crap. I think, a lot of those money tight buyers, should get a dog from the pound or animal welfare agencies, they only want all the money in their own pockets. So thank you all, for giving so much happiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollywaffle Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Hello Leopuppy04 - I am not being facetious with this question, I mean it as a genuine question...why do you do it/what motivates you...? Just purely interested... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fox Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 $1200 for a good pup is nothing. I refuse to discuss the purchase price of my dogs with 90% of people, particularly the pup as she's female. When I'm asked 'how much did you pay for that' I tell them the truth - not enough. When I ask if I'll breed her I also tell the truth - maybe, but probably not. I've no intention of breeding her for the sake of it. Perhaps if I can title her to Sch3 I may consider it, if I can find the right male. Considering it cost me around $150 per month just to get her to the city for a weekend of training, plus all the work put in, training equipment costs, future trial entries, the cost to keep her, feed her, the testing involved if I did decide to breed her, stud fees, possibly the cost of importing semen and AI.... yep HEAPS of money to be made there. :p Personally there's no end to what I would pay for a good working dog if I had the money. And a good pet is just as valuable. It also makes me angry when people whinge about the 'price' of rescue animals. Add up the cost of desexing, vaccinating, micro-chipping, worming and feeding that dog or cat for a few months and see if you still think it's a "rip off" :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Many years ago when I didn't know any better, I bred my 2 papered (but still BYB) Rottis. Now, purebred Rottis were selling for between $400 and $600 back then, so we set our pups price at $400. 10 pups - NSWCC papered - $400 each... I think I still came out with an overall loss. Nowadays I'm involved with rescue, and SecretKei has the right of it there - people seem to think that rescue dogs should be dirt cheap, but they seem to forget all the expenses incurred to get the dog to the point of adoption - many rescues operate at a loss because they can't possibly recoup all the costs for all the dogs they rehome... sad, but true... It's especially bad when a rescue has an obviously pure breed dog up for adoption... all of the bargain hunters come out of the woodwork then... *sigh* A well bred healthy dog is worth so much more than money IMHO... T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 I had a discussion the other day with a person who'd previously contacted me for advice when he saw his bitch, which he didn't know was in season, get mated. She is a TINY TINY Stafford, BYB no papers and the sire is a very large, heavy boned "pitbull" cross. My first advice was to get her speyed. He enquired but apparently didn't have the money. His girlfriend is due with their first child when the puppies will be 6 weeks old....can you see where this is headed? He sent me a text at 2.18am one morning and said "she has had puppies, what do I do now?" Next he is on Facebook advertising the puppies for sale at 6 weeks for $400 each and that the new owners will have to pay for vaccination, worming and microchipping. A friend says he wants one but it's the wrong timing so "numbnuts" says he will think about "repeating the breeding". I suggest that for the sake of the puppies, 8 weeks at a minimum is better and that he should be the one to absorb the costs of worming, vaccination and microchipping considering the litter shouldn't have happened in the first place. And I reminded him that as the pitbull is a restricted breed here, that he should be advising potential owners to obtain proper permission from their local councils. So HE says on facebook that potential owners should lie and tell the council that they are Stafford cross and why should HE pay for the health care of the puppies because he'd never make any money that way. My reply "welcome to the world of breeding dogs Bxxxxxx" and "do me a favour, if you aren't going to at least LISTEN to my advice then don't bother asking me for any more advice or help in the future". And I left it at that. But he's Mr Ellz' apprentice so he cops it in the neck now but to his credit, where he'd always ring me and ask me to answer Bxxxxx's questions, now he just says that he isn't going there and walks away. Anyway, the bitch had 5 puppies OUTSIDE, in the wee small hours because he hadn't bothered to organise things so she could be comfortable. He has no idea whether there were more puppies because he only found them by accident when he went outside for a cigarette. He's just bloody lucky she didn't need a c-section for size disparity. Why do these people seem like they're made of Teflon? Easy matings, easy whelpings, seemingly magically the puppies rear themselves on shit food and he can sell them without qualms with no back up and very little knowledge????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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