tdierikx Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Sage's pups were all rehomed before she came to you Holly's Mummy - I'm pretty sure all the "maternal hormones" had dissolved some time prior to that. The settling process may have been easier in the former pack because all of the resident dogs were pretty laid back and non-reactive... and used to fosters coming and going... My experience is that females can be a bit more aggressive towards other dogs when they have pups in tow... protection of the pups from predators and that sort of thing. With the pulling on lead, does she do it when on a harness? You could also try a longer lead and loop a part of it loosely across her chest, I've had success with that on a few occasions when nothing else worked. Got that tip from here on DOL actually. You are doing everything in your power for Sage, and I reckon you've already gone way beyond what most would have put up with. If all of the issues are causing stress with you, your family, your dogs, and now with strange dogs being walked by your house - then I fully support any decision you make regarding giving Sage her wings. I have had a foster before that nearly gave me a complete mental breakdown because she had similar issues, so I can understand how close you may be getting to that breakdown... T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Her Majesty Dogmad Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 The getting out and having a go at another small dog isn't good... maybe it is best that Sage is given her wings if she's not safe around smaller animals. It's just so weird that Sage fitted in well in a multi dog home (mostly larger dogs, but there are a couple of smaller dogs as well) in her first foster home - AND she had a litter of pups with her then. One would have thought that those tendencies would have stuck out like a sore thumb in that home, but she settled in fine. That's what has me so confused as to her behaviour now, and am asking if it's possible to have the "DOL member approved" behaviourist check her out. Dogmad - what did you think of Ellie's reactions to challenging/barking dogs when you were helping her out to find a new home? Remember that you also had first hand experience with Ellie in the flesh. What would you have recommended for her if you hadn't met her and had only read that she would pull her hardest to go over to the other dog? Whatever course Holly's Mummy takes from here - now that Sage has escalated to escaping the yard and attacking another dog - she has my support, respect, and sympathy. Holly's Mummy - please don't feel pressured by my asking if Kathy can assess Sage - if she is impossible to contain and you can't see Kathy for a while, then you must do what you feel is right, OK? T. With Ellie, I said I wouldn't rehome her until she'd been assessed with other dogs and in a very controlled situation she proved to be friendly. I had warned the owner that my recommendation may be to pts if she turned out to be dangerous and they understood that. She had previously lived with another dog with no issues and had other dogs come into the yard but I was very concerned when she saw my small dog and reacted the way she did but then she'd been on a rope for 12 months at that stage with no relief at all. She was very excitable on the lead when she saw other dogs although she was fine with me the couple of times I had her on the lead and she saw small dogs, one across the road and one in close proximity. She does need a strong harness and training and has had a behaviouralist out as well and the new owners have very secure fencing and have got it under control. They had a large and strong Shepherd type before that wasn't good with other people or dogs. Believe me, I turned everyone down because she required a certain home, they are few and far between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Exactly dogmad... now, what would your recommendation have been if you had not been personally involved with Ellie, but only read about her on an internet forum? In Sage's case I think that she might need to be given her wings now she has actively escaped the yard and attacked another dog. Why she settled fine in one foster home and not so well in another is anyone's guess - but I'm tipping that it has nothing to do with anything Holly's Mummy has done to try to accommodate her. T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Gifts Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 My only thoughts on this T are that we don't know whether the same problem may have arisen when Caz tried to rehome her - maybe she was ok with Caz's muttley crew but outside of that comfort zone could've reverted to feeling threatened anyway? Maybe this was always an unknown risk? The unfortunate reality is she is where she currently is and hasn't assimilated well and there are no solid suggestions at this point of how to overcome that. Noone wants another attack or escape. It is an awfully sad situation and I feel for everyone who has had contact with Sage, and of course Sage herself. HM, this must be extremely hard for you because I know you must also get to see good/happy Sage or you wouldn't even be putting in all this effort. Sending strength your way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loopy Lola Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Which suburb are you in Hollys Mum ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyd Posted April 1, 2012 Author Share Posted April 1, 2012 Which suburb are you in Hollys Mum ? We are near Midland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harley Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Hi Holly's mummy, thinking of you today. Not sure what you have decided, but I am sure you will make the best one for all concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Gifts Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Same from me. Hugs to you and Sage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntrox Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 as well from me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyd Posted April 4, 2012 Author Share Posted April 4, 2012 Thank you for your support Sage went across the bridge today We took her down the river this morning where she enjoyed a bacon & egg muffin, with a long walk along the river, she saw horses and then wanted to chase horses. Followed by a long drive where she could stick her head out the window and sniff, she also enjoyed a double quarter pounder and a drink once we got to the vets. We are both devastated and never wish to have to do that again Here is a picture of her in the car today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9angel Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 R.I.P. beautiful Sage. xxx :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Gifts Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 I'm so very sorry that you had to go through this awful experience. Thank you for doing as much as you did and giving her a lovely morning. RIP Sage. May life be wonderful for you now beautiful girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyd Posted April 4, 2012 Author Share Posted April 4, 2012 My vet even spent last night trying to find an alternative for Sage but he couldn't, everyone tried so hard for her. I'm so sorry Sage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadbury Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 You did an amazing job with Sage and now she has peace and knew she was loved. Run free Sage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmolo Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 So sorry to hear this. x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harley Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 I am so sorry Hollys Mummy Sounds like she had a wonderful morning, with people who loved her RIP Sage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 I'm sorry for your loss Holly's Mummy. I'm sure you grew to love her in her time with you and you can rest easy knowing you did absolutely everything for her. I admire your strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 So brave HM! You did the best you could for everyone involved, you can't say you didn't try everything for this girl. thinking of you, RIP sage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Her Majesty Dogmad Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 You have my every sympathy, I went through a similar situation twice last year and was devastated both times. You did your absolute best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Run free Sage... you were loved to the end... Hugs to you and yours Holly's Mummy. T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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