Overlong Soft Palate In Staffys

[Kirty]

It can be.

http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/205156-reverse-sneezing-explained/page__pid__5700232#entry5700232

[Nekhbet]

I'd take a bet that vet also suggests that owners have juvenile pubic symphysiodesis surgery performed on large breed dogs, just incase.

I knew a vet like that, I think it's horrific ... he also saw no problems putting his own dogs under full anaesthetic every 6 months to clean their teeth ... easier then trying to make them chew :rolleyes:

Wow. That vet sounds surgery happy. I would definitely be writing a letter of complaint about her saying that she also sounds like she knows very little about the breed ... or dogs in particular O_o

[Sandra777]

I wouldn't just leave it there - as others have suggested I would be writing a very strong letter of complaint to the surgery owner. IMO this borders on misconduct and is perhaps even a form of fraud in some ways - suggesting surgery for something that doesn't even exist.

Please let your bitch have one heat if you can possibly manage it.

ETA: I have seen two Staffords with long soft palates, both were closely related and it was VERY obvious from an extremely young age.

Edited February 25, 2012 by Sandra777

[StaffordLUV]

:Putting on flame suit: "man this thing is tight must have been a while since i voiced an opinion" :laugh:

I was toying with the idea of keeping her whole, i know i can handle it as i used to breed/exhibit other breed but im not sure that im comfortable with having a bitch that we have ZERO interest in EVER breeding complete.

I still have all my crates etc so locking her away when she is in season is easy and possible and we never had an "accidental" mating before and seeing we have no entire males here im sure my track record will remain intact.

But im just not sure the pros outweigh the cons as far as that goes, i would also have to apply to the local government for permission to keep her entire.

She is not registered but both parents were, (she is from the neighbour of a friend) and i though long and hard about purchasing a puppy from a situation like this but i know i have made the right choice and both parents have now been desexed.

I guess it is a decision i will make when the time comes.

[Kirty]

I think with bitches, the risk of pyo would put me off keeping them entire.

[Shazzapug]

Do you know how many unsuspecting pug puppy owners are talked into such surgeries by their vets...makes the statistics that people insist on quoting and referring to rather untrustworthy....just saying :)

Always check with the dogs breeder to see if that line has that particular problem.

[Angeluca]

I had a vet (a hip specialist) tell me that he wanted me to Fuse my golden retriever pups hips at 8 mths old to prevent H/D This was after I told him I intended on Becoming a breeder and was hoping with all the correct test done at the correct time and pending temperament issues/ conformation that I intend on breeding this pup. (obviously years in the making). He was familiar with the breed.

I entertained the idea for a few moments and asked him why he thought my pup needed it since he is a well bred dog from a good breeder with a very good history and isn't showing any problems. answer: cause it's common in the breed.

I then asked ok i intend on doing agility will this impact on that? answer: shouldn't do

I then asked how would i get his hips and elbows xrayed to get an accurate reading as required before your actually allowed to breed if i was to do this op ? answer: you wouldn't be able to get a reading because the op fuses the hip at an angle holding the socket in which prevents the natural growth possibly turning out.

last question is it 100 percent guaranteed to prevent H/D and how much does it cost ? answer: no it is basically just to prevent young onset of H/D but has on occasion has help in elderly dogs but the op has to be done at 6-8mths but doesn't prevent all cases. And cost Around $1800-$2000 which is cheaper then H/D.

It seems lots of vets are doing unnecessary surgery on young animals as a possible preventative. Of course my answer is no and my boy goes for his hips and elbows next week

Edited February 26, 2012 by Angeluca

[StaffordLUV]

Goodluck Angeluca hope his scores are great :)

Your vet seemed to be very eager to fuse your boys hips without a real guarantee that it would work,

Thats a lot of money for something that "might" work

[Angeluca]

Goodluck Angeluca hope his scores are great :)

Your vet seemed to be very eager to fuse your boys hips without a real guarantee that it would work,

Thats a lot of money for something that "might" work

Yeah it was the vet was arrogant and ignored my continuing statements about wanting to breed and compete. My boys temperament is to die for and a couple of breeders and said he could be shown but his color would hold him back and real golden isn't favored right now and his has a massive hate for standing set accordingly he prefers to sit on people feet, so showing would be a massive trial for him, he'd hate it and it would take along time to even get close to a title. once hips and elbows done theres only one more real test for him is eyes and heart then we'll have the go ahead from the breeder to breed him if we wish.

[aussielover]

Goodluck Angeluca hope his scores are great :)

Your vet seemed to be very eager to fuse your boys hips without a real guarantee that it would work,

Thats a lot of money for something that "might" work

Yeah it was the vet was arrogant and ignored my continuing statements about wanting to breed and compete. My boys temperament is to die for and a couple of breeders and said he could be shown but his color would hold him back and real golden isn't favored right now and his has a massive hate for standing set accordingly he prefers to sit on people feet, so showing would be a massive trial for him, he'd hate it and it would take along time to even get close to a title. once hips and elbows done theres only one more real test for him is eyes and heart then we'll have the go ahead from the breeder to breed him if we wish.

Good Luck :)

Shame about the colour thing- I actually prefer the dark gold colour in goldies. And interestingly a lot of field bred and working goldens are the darker colour.

I think its very sad when a vet recommends/does the wrong thing just to make money or to get themselves an exciting procedure

I have met vets though that think the JPS surgery is great and they genuinely think they'll be helping the dog in the long run... which is a bit of a worry as there is no evidence to show that it does actually prevent HD.

[Sandra777]

I was toying with the idea of keeping her whole, i know i can handle it as i used to breed/exhibit other breed but im not sure that im comfortable with having a bitch that we have ZERO interest in EVER breeding complete.

Nobody's suggesting not to spayed her at all, just suggesting that it would be better for her to have ONE season if you can cope with it. Then have her spayed

[Staffyluv]

I was toying with the idea of keeping her whole, i know i can handle it as i used to breed/exhibit other breed but im not sure that im comfortable with having a bitch that we have ZERO interest in EVER breeding complete.

Nobody's suggesting not to spayed her at all, just suggesting that it would be better for her to have ONE season if you can cope with it. Then have her spayed

Sorry to hijack your thread but can I just ask, why is it better to let the pup have one season before desexing?

I am in the process of researching to get another purebred stafford (after losing my old boy late last year) and would like to know why?

What about males, should you not desex before a certain age?

I have never wanted to breed with dogs so mine have always been desexed as soon as possible.

Thanks in advance

[Topoftheheap]

Hi all i took my new stafford puppy to the vet(not my usual vet) for her vaccinations and the young vet there suggested i have her operated on as sometimes they can have an overlong soft palate that ca cause snoring and other issues later on in life. She said it was best done before 12mths of age.

Now i have had a few staffords in my time thru rescue and i have not seen any issues.

I have had some that have snored but apart from that they have been fine.

I spoke to my regular vet and he said that in the past 7 years he has only operated on 2 staffords for this problem and they had very short muzzles.

Im just wondering if anyone has come across this problem?

TIA

Oh My Gosh!! In toy breeds, almost every dog with a bracephalic (??not sure on spelling, sorry) has a lengthened soft palate. In Cavies it causes them to snore, snortle, and at times they even have this choking fit that they need help with. Almost every Cavie I have come across in the show ring has a problem with some of these issues just to varying degrees. Surgery has never been recommended and I have never heard of anyone having one done on thier dogs. After all if its just snoring, that's not really a HUGE issue. Probably just an overkeen new vet, trying to push unneccesary op's on to you. Ive never had a staffie but I believe in any dog where the length of muzzle is an issue this would occur.

[Nekhbet]

I was toying with the idea of keeping her whole, i know i can handle it as i used to breed/exhibit other breed but im not sure that im comfortable with having a bitch that we have ZERO interest in EVER breeding complete.

And why not. I have two entire bitches, one for breeding and one past the point but I'm not ready to spey yet. I'm seeing the benefits of letting them go through a season or two so why not. No one should pressure you into doing something you're not comfortable with if you're being responsible.