Lily123 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) We live in a high tick area and have been using Proban on the dogs and cats (down to the last bottle). Now I need to come up with something else and wondered about Permoxin for the dogs. Is is safe to be used around the cats? I won't use Advantix because of the cats and wondered if Permoxin is the same. Also, what now do I use for the cats? Any ideas? We used to use Frontline years ago but it ceased to be effective. I've heard recently that the spray is more effective- any advice on this? Edited February 18, 2012 by Lily123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 NO- DO NOT USE PERMOXIN ON CATS Permoxin is toxic to cats. You could use advantix/permoxin on the dogs if they don't interact with the cats. However, if they sleep together, play together etc it is not a good idea as some might rub off onto the cats. Frontline is effective for ticks (although useless for fleas). Frontline spray is the only product registered for tick prevention in cats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danois Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Might want to check that. I was advised that once it was dry then there was no issues with a cat and dog sharing the same space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 NO- DO NOT USE PERMOXIN ON CATS Permoxin is toxic to cats. You could use advantix/permoxin on the dogs if they don't interact with the cats. However, if they sleep together, play together etc it is not a good idea as some might rub off onto the cats. Frontline is effective for ticks (although useless for fleas). Frontline spray is the only product registered for tick prevention in cats. This. If the cat and dog interact closely together, don't use Advantix or other Permoxin based product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyosha Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Have you looked into proban? I think it can be used on both dogs and cats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Have you looked into proban? I think it can be used on both dogs and cats. Proban has stopped being made- something about difficulties in sourcing one of the ingredients. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily123 Posted February 18, 2012 Author Share Posted February 18, 2012 Ok, so it sounds like the Permoxin is a no go. I know it can't be used on cats but I thought it might be okay for the dogs. However, the kitten sleeps and plays with the dogs so I can't risk it. Aloysha - I've been using Proban on the dogs and cats but it's been taken off the market, hence the search for new products. I guess it's the Frontline then. Interesting that it doesn't work on fleas but does work for ticks. We stopped using it because it wasn't working on the fleas. Thanks everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 I spray my dogs outside with Permoxin and don't let them near the cats until it is dry I have had no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 But don't you have to apply permoxin spray every day for tick protection? Quite time consuming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 But don't you have to apply permoxin spray every day for tick protection? Quite time consuming... I only use for flys when they are bad..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 AS my cats wash the dogs, and sleep with them, I can not use permoxin on the house dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowanbree Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 My aussie Quest died because I used Permoxin on her. I used to spray particularly their legs and she hated it and on this occasion licked her legs, it went down the wrong way and she died of aspiration pneumonia. Freak accident but it is not totally safe so handle with care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowstarin Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Firstly Advantix, advocate and advantage are not "Chemicals" as such. They were derived from the human edible crop divisions that use the same active ingredient of the Advantage family range - Imidicloprid. This product is used on food crops that you and I EAT. It is safe and has an extremely wide safety margin. It is absorbed into the Lipid layer of skin (on animals) and is absorbed into the whole edible areas on crops. it is not like your Active ingredients of other products ie Frontline sentinel, interceptor ect that use chemically derived actives. Re worming: Advocate is used monthly and has the active Imidicloprid and an additional additive of moxidectin which separates upon application and goes to the differing organs that are affected by the myriad or worms that animals are afflicted by. The major difference and UNIQUE properties of advocate as opposed to other preps are: Advocate kills and evacuates worms, hatchlings and larvae that have accumulated and then PROTECTS against getting ANY new worms as opposed to ALL other worming preps that just evacuate accumulated worms. ie NO PROTECTION. This unique property of Advocate is called "steady state" whereby the plasma holds a level of protection that DOES NOT ALLOW WORMS to enter, migrate or procreate at any time. the worms are killed immediately upon coming to the treated animal AT ALL TIMES. Compliance of use (CONTINUITY) is extremely important for complete protection against getting any new worms or new fleas or new ticks. Use monthly (or fortnighly) to maintain Steady state. Advantix is the ONLY registered product available that not only KILLS but REPELS all biting insects ie ticks fleas flies mosquitos horse flies ect ect etc. Sarcoptic mange mites and demodex are not immuno deficient nor auto immune related issues. The are parasites and advocate treats and PROTECTS the animal from reinfestations. Re Permoxin. This is a PERMETHRIN and as such is TOXIC to cats. It must never be applied to cats and should NEVER be sprayed on dogs that live with cats as the direct contact may lead to serious issues for the cat including death. CATS cannot metabolize Permethrins. With regard to ADVANTIX it has Imidicloprid and the additive of Permethrin. It should NEVER be applied to cats - HOWEVER at the time of APPLICATION ONLY you need to separate the dog and cat for approx 6 hours until the actives have spread throughout the lipid layer of the dogs skin. From this time forward there is ABSOLUTELY no issue of a cat and dog together. The can lick cuddle sleep ect till their little heart is content. The Advantage range of products is unique in that Imidicloprid kills parasites on contact within 1 - 3 minutes 100% efficacy for the full 1 month. All other products including frontline, comfortis, sentinel ect ect ect require the flea, tick mossie ect to BITE TO GET A DOSE of their actives from the bloodstream of the dog/cat because their active ingredients cross through and remain in the bloodstreams. Also Parasites cannot become "immune" to Imidicloprid like they do to the other products ie fipronil (frontline) ect. Permoxin has a low efficacy hence the requirement to apply frequently. Imidicloprid kills on contact so where ever your pet lays or goes it is killing parasites environmentally too. Oh and one more thing, You may still see fleas or ticks on your pet (that is wearing advantage family products) at any time, HOWEVER, those fleas will be in the process of dying and will appear slow and partly paralysed. The will be dead within 1 - 5 minutes of coming into contact with a protected pet. The are immediatly paralysed so cannot bite your pet but will die off. The new fleas in the environment will jump on your pet but will be killed on contact with either a hair shaft or skin that is wearing the product. The fleas cycle is only 5 % of the environment are live adult fleas, 50% are larvae the rest eggs and hatchlings. Advantage family kills live, and larval. Fleas need a blood feed to be able to lay eggs. eggs do not cause animals greif, LARVAE hatches to become Adult fleas HENCE killing adult fleas and larvae will acheive a flea free environment. It is waterfast and does not leave greasy marks. Apply to a dry dog and do not bath for at least 2-3 days after application. Safe on pregnant and lactating bitches and Advantage can be used from newborn age also suited for rabbits and ferrets Advantix from 7 weeks and Advocate from 7 weeks of age too. Advocate for Ferrets. Re advocate not doing tapeworm - If you dont have fleas you dont get tapeworm. hence you dont need to tapeworm your dogs when using advocate. Hope this helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Might want to check that. I was advised that once it was dry then there was no issues with a cat and dog sharing the same space. Yes that is correct, according to the company who make Permoxin (Dermcare). I have used it liberally in the past on my own dogs and still use it as a flea rinse in my home based grooming salon. I have three cats. If you are sensible, it is a cost effective way to prevent fleas/ticks/flies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 I love permoxin :) It is great for killing off little brown ticks , as a fly/mozzie repellent/killer , and for stickfast fleas (which a lot of the spot ons are not effective at controlling). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Re Permoxin. This is a PERMETHRIN and as such is TOXIC to cats. It must never be applied to cats and should NEVER be sprayed on dogs that live with cats as the direct contact may lead to serious issues for the cat including death. CATS cannot metabolize Permethrins. With regard to ADVANTIX it has Imidicloprid and the additive of Permethrin. It should NEVER be applied to cats - HOWEVER at the time of APPLICATION ONLY you need to separate the dog and cat for approx 6 hours until the actives have spread throughout the lipid layer of the dogs skin. From this time forward there is ABSOLUTELY no issue of a cat and dog together. The can lick cuddle sleep ect till their little heart is content. Thanks for this info! Re: the advantix as I bought it and then was going to get rid of it as I have cats. So just to clarify, if I put the advantix on her in the morning before work then she is outside seperated from the cats all day while I'm gone (about 10 hours) then there should be no issues when she comes in contact with them again that night? They don't lick or play with her but they do sleep on the same surfaces etc. The reason I ask is when I put it on her it was still greasy on her back for about two days and I was stressing out about the cats. It didn't dry like I found other products have in the past? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowstarin Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Re Permoxin. This is a PERMETHRIN and as such is TOXIC to cats. It must never be applied to cats and should NEVER be sprayed on dogs that live with cats as the direct contact may lead to serious issues for the cat including death. CATS cannot metabolize Permethrins. With regard to ADVANTIX it has Imidicloprid and the additive of Permethrin. It should NEVER be applied to cats - HOWEVER at the time of APPLICATION ONLY you need to separate the dog and cat for approx 6 hours until the actives have spread throughout the lipid layer of the dogs skin. From this time forward there is ABSOLUTELY no issue of a cat and dog together. The can lick cuddle sleep ect till their little heart is content. Thanks for this info! Re: the advantix as I bought it and then was going to get rid of it as I have cats. So just to clarify, if I put the advantix on her in the morning before work then she is outside seperated from the cats all day while I'm gone (about 10 hours) then there should be no issues when she comes in contact with them again that night? They don't lick or play with her but they do sleep on the same surfaces etc. The reason I ask is when I put it on her it was still greasy on her back for about two days and I was stressing out about the cats. It didn't dry like I found other products have in the past? That is correct. and separation like that is perfect. When applying it, you can place it in 3 areas along the backline for faster distribution and part the hair if possible. Re the greasy, this is not common for advantix, however the active ingredients would have passed through to the lipid layer long before the 2 days it appeared still shiny. try brushing the area after say 8 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Yes I didn't read about the three areas until after I'd done it! So that will probably help next time. That's great to know thanks so much for that!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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