dasha Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Maybe some of the older style ones we have are like that. The ones we seem to get these days are a lot smaller in size. And very compact. In fact not really very lab looking in some cases LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesmaam Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 we started with active which is to dig it out from under things (hence why we didnt put things IN people's cars!), we will do passive at the school but I need to build a scent wall for that, makes the job a heck of a lot easier ... just finished the A Frame and Walkover today in the school colours covered in paint now lol so this type of thing but the ball launcher will be a well timed volunteer :laugh: I don't mind active alert dogs, but the scent wall is not for that, and I dont thing too many owners would be happy with a well rewarded active alert dog tearing up their house if the chosen substance accidentally enters the premises Nekhbet, are the youtube's Australian? All this stuff looks great but where to next is my question. How is this type of training transferred over to an operational environment? Can the ball popper be incorporated into other objects/ apertures after using it in a wall eg: if it is always a black box the dog will look for this won't he....... Or is the ball popper phased out after the initial odour recognition training? I understand the focus type of training using apertures such as the holes in the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasha Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Exactly. I think this type of set up is only practical in a validation style test. This is just a way to test the dogs odour recognition and response hopefully without getting cues from the person giving the reward. It is not really a good way to teach a dog the odours. I think it MAY have a practical purpose perhaps if you were training dogs to search for holes in walls or along retaining walls for possible hidden stuff (drugs) as they then can practice searching up higher and encourage them to lift their noses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I would think it is good for generalisation purposes. Badly worded, but what I mean is that it forms just one approach component to the dog's overall early training. As you say, it can help to take away the possible inadvertent human cues and help the dog work out EXACTLY what SINGLE thing gets him the reward. Just as we teach in obedience training : we generalise what we do. A very basic example would be changing the position of where we stand when we give a command, teaching the dog it is not about the word AND where or how we stand, but just about the word. Hope that makes sense. For Pet Dog training, I think it would be more versatile to not have the board, but start with boxes, particularly if it is something you have to drag to training each week. Unless people had the inclination to take their dogs way further to competition standard as Kavik's opening post introduced us to, I see the scent work as an additional bit of fun with which to build bond between owner and dog, not to mention to add yet another way in which owners can provide mental stimulation. I'm still not sure how I would intro it to class - I'm plotting that one out. A bit tough when grounds are subject to wind activity, especially in the beginning of teaching. Hhhhmmmmm ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted February 21, 2012 Author Share Posted February 21, 2012 The DVD on Leerburg doesn't use that type of set up, but a set up of boxes, and from what I can see from the free videos the reward is in the box with the odor at the start. From what I can gather without actually watching the DVD, the reward at the odor source is phased out (reward at source is at the beginning stages, obviously for operational work or competition you have to be able to reward from the handler before they are at that point). I think it is phased to the reward being thrown at the source by the handler. With food they have the food in a special food dispensing tube. Here is the Leerburg demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMU57bCcLL8&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Thanks Kavik. For Pet School stuff, I think I'd like to have the reward coming from the handler from the get go - kind of simply a carry-on from what we already do, but having the successful scent-find just another thing the dog learns to do, to earn it. But I'll look at the video you've provided a bit later on - it will be interesting, thank you for linking it here. About to head out to an appointment. Check ya later :D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted February 21, 2012 Author Share Posted February 21, 2012 This one shows different breeds and dogs in early stages of training http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EzBvvnVAJY&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesmaam Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 This one shows different breeds and dogs in early stages of training http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EzBvvnVAJY&feature=related Very ordinary stuff shown here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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