TheCheekyMonster Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) Some dogs have it in their nature and it takes strong and knowledgeable ownership to have dogs of this nature. The Pb is not a teddy bear. It is often wrongly accused of crimes but the only way to fix it is to acknowledge the type of dog it is and restrict the ownership to people who understand the dog's nature and how to manage it. My APBT is pretty much a teddy bear?.... it is like every other dog when it comes to breed selection for that individual...... she plays with my 6mo Dally pup like an absolute gem! and I have been able to leave them alone from the second week he came home.... a pitbull is like every other breed, it needs correct socialisation and leadership.... we had ducklings and she would sleep with them and attempt to groom them, and we know quite a few APBT who are exactly the same. Edited February 14, 2012 by GussysMum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Some dogs have it in their nature and it takes strong and knowledgeable ownership to have dogs of this nature. The Pb is not a teddy bear. It is often wrongly accused of crimes but the only way to fix it is to acknowledge the type of dog it is and restrict the ownership to people who understand the dog's nature and how to manage it. My APBT is pretty much a teddy bear?.... it is like every other dog when it comes to breed selection for that individual...... she plays with my 6mo Dally pup like an absolute gem! and I have been able to leave them alone from the second week he came home.... a pitbull is like every other breed, it needs correct socialisation and leadership.... we had ducklings and she would sleep with them and attempt to groom them, and we know quite a few APBT who are exactly the same. I hate that we can't have them in Vic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) Time for a reality check. I agree that a well bred APBT should be a complete Teddy Bear with PEOPLE. Its what they've been selectively bred for for generations (until recently anyway). They are however what they are. They are dogs of fighting ancestry and no knowledgeable fancier would ever try to deny that they have a higher tendency to dog aggression than breeds of different ancestry. I would NEVER assume that an unknown dog of any of the former fighting breeds was fine with other dogs, nor would I be shocked that one was not fine with other dogs, particulary those of the same gender. Dog aggression is by no means a universal attribute but its there in sufficient numbers to warrant caution. To act otherwise is to deny the breed's ancestry and to potentially put your own dog in danger. It does not surprise me in the slightest that many of the so called "dog attacks" on humans attributed to bull breeds involve owners getting bitten breaking up aggression incidents that started with dogs. Owners of such breeds have a double responsibility to ensure that their actions do not put their own dogs or other dogs in danger. OP has met nice dogs down the dog park. However, to have such a young pup in a public dog park and to expect all dogs to behave appropriately towards it is asking for trouble IMO, regardless of the breeds involved. All I can advise is caution. Edited February 14, 2012 by Telida Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Some people just can't let things be positive for once....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
german_shep_fan Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 The OP started this thread and intended it to be nice post for APBT owners who do the right thing by their dogs and are responsible owners. Nothing more nothing less. All dogs have characteristics that make them more suitable to some owners rather then others. Can we please leave the politics aside for just one thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 The OP started this thread and intended it to be nice post for APBT owners who do the right thing by their dogs and are responsible owners. Nothing more nothing less. All dogs have characteristics that make them more suitable to some owners rather then others. Can we please leave the politics aside for just one thread? Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) APBT FOR THE WIN!! :D Edited February 14, 2012 by GussysMum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) The OP started this thread and intended it to be nice post for APBT owners who do the right thing by their dogs and are responsible owners. Nothing more nothing less. All dogs have characteristics that make them more suitable to some owners rather then others. Can we please leave the politics aside for just one thread? What politics? I'm anti BSL but I'm not going shove my head in the sand about a breed attribute that warrants recognition and caution. It's no different to owning Whippets and acknowledging that no matter how well socialised and trained they may be, they are hard wired to chase and kill small prey. Do Beagle owners think its going to be unusual that their dogs get their head down and scent a lot or do retriever owners think that their dogs carrying items around isn't part of their genetic make up? Dogs do not come in one standard set of characteristics wrapped up in different suits. We're talking in this case about a breed selected for generations for a low trigger to aggression, a low bite inhibition and a hard bite. How about we acknowledge that and move on. Frankly if more people were familiar with the origins of the breed and the charactertistics we selectively bred them for and managed their own dogs accordingly, we'd see a lot less of APBTs in the news and a lot less hysteria about them - and that goes for people with other breeds that interact with them. Being pro-pitbull isn't about dressing the breed up to be something that it isn't. They are often not 'teddy bears' with other dogs and to suggest otherwise is misleading. I see nothing negative about acknowledging that. The OP said: All of the pitbulls I have been in contact with have been sweet natured and gentle. And so they should be, with people. I don't think I'd like to see the OP generalising about the breed's attitude to other dogs in those terms and managing her dog accordingly though. Edited February 14, 2012 by Telida Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 APBT FOR THE WIN!! :D Can we have another pic of your girl please GussysMum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguedog Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Some people just can't let things be positive for once....... agree.... sad isnt it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) The OP started this thread and intended it to be nice post for APBT owners who do the right thing by their dogs and are responsible owners. Nothing more nothing less. All dogs have characteristics that make them more suitable to some owners rather then others. Can we please leave the politics aside for just one thread? What politics? I'm anti BSL but I'm not going shove my head in the sand about a breed attribute that warrants recognition and caution. It's no different to owning Whippets and acknowledging that no matter how well socialised and trained they may be, they are hard wired to chase and kill small prey. Do Beagle owners think its going to be unusual that their dogs get their head down and scent a lot or do retriever owners think that their dogs carrying items around isn't part of their genetic make up? Dogs do not come in one standard set of characteristics wrapped up in different suits. We're talking in this case about a breed selected for generations for a low trigger to aggression, a low bite inhibition and a hard bite. How about we acknowledge that and move on. Frankly if more people were familiar with the origins of the breed and the charactertistics we selectively bred them for and managed their own dogs accordingly, we'd see a lot less of APBTs in the news and a lot less hysteria about them - and that goes for people with other breeds that interact with them. Being pro-pitbull isn't about dressing the breed up to be something that it isn't. They are often not 'teddy bears' with other dogs and to suggest otherwise is misleading. I see nothing negative about acknowledging that. I think we all understand this. The point is, it's a positive thread about some good experiences, why can't we just leave it at that? People start threads about different breeds all the time, they rarely get derailed with warnings. Edited February 14, 2012 by Aussie3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Some people just can't let things be positive for once....... agree.... sad isnt it.... Oh for pity's sake. Do you think the OP should allow her CKCS to rush up to every APBT she meets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) Some people just can't let things be positive for once....... agree.... sad isnt it.... Oh for pity's sake. Do you think the OP should allow her CKCS to rush up to every APBT she meets? She shouldn't let it rush up to ANY unknown dog. But I don't see why she should keep it away either?? It's called socialisation. I didn't hear you warning her to keep it away from a Whippet..... I just think it would be nice to have a positive thread about Pit Bulls for once without mentioning these things people already know. Edited February 14, 2012 by Aussie3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
german_shep_fan Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 The OP started this thread and intended it to be nice post for APBT owners who do the right thing by their dogs and are responsible owners. Nothing more nothing less. All dogs have characteristics that make them more suitable to some owners rather then others. Can we please leave the politics aside for just one thread? What politics? I'm anti BSL but I'm not going shove my head in the sand about a breed attribute that warrants recognition and caution. It's no different to owning Whippets and acknowledging that no matter how well socialised and trained they may be, they are hard wired to chase and kill small prey. Do Beagle owners think its going to be unusual that their dogs get their head down and scent a lot or do retriever owners think that their dogs carrying items around isn't part of their genetic make up? Dogs do not come in one standard set of characteristics wrapped up in different suits. We're talking in this case about a breed selected for generations for a low trigger to aggression, a low bite inhibition and a hard bite. How about we acknowledge that and move on. Frankly if more people were familiar with the origins of the breed and the charactertistics we selectively bred them for and managed their own dogs accordingly, we'd see a lot less of APBTs in the news and a lot less hysteria about them - and that goes for people with other breeds that interact with them. Being pro-pitbull isn't about dressing the breed up to be something that it isn't. They are often not 'teddy bears' with other dogs and to suggest otherwise is misleading. I see nothing negative about acknowledging that. As i said all dogs have needs and attributes that don't suit all ppl. But this thread is just a nice thread for people to tell stories about the nicer side of the APBT that the media will hardly ever acknowledge. All most want is to keep the its time for a reality check and did you know APBT have triggers for this that and the other out of it. I for one would just like to hear some nice stories for a change without having to go into jargon that everyone already knows. As the OP said, there is enough negativity abt and respobsible owners already know everything stated in your post so its falling on deaf ears anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) She shouldn't let it rush up to ANY unknown dog. But I don't see why she should keep it away either, didn;t hear you warning her to keep it away from a Whippet..... OP hadn't concluded that all Whippets were sweet and gentle.. as they should be, with PEOPLE, not prey animals. Should a strange offlead Whippet be treated with caution around such a small pup. You betcha, especially if it's inclined to scream or run. NO responsible sighthound owner would counsel otherwise. My dogs have been extensively socialied with toy breeds. Not all dogs have and I suggest its best to assume not. Never heard of a Whippet killing a puppy, but cats, guinea pigs etc.. yep. But DO dogs kill puppies. All the time sadly. Aussie3: She shouldn't let it rush up to ANY unknown dog. But I don't see why she should keep it away either?? It's called socialisation. Without the consent of the other dog's owner and with the other dog under control, not in my book it ain't. It's called an accident waiting to happen. Edited February 14, 2012 by Telida Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 She shouldn't let it rush up to ANY unknown dog. But I don't see why she should keep it away either, didn;t hear you warning her to keep it away from a Whippet..... OP hadn't concluded that all Whippets were sweet and gentle.. as they should be, with PEOPLE, not prey animals. Should a strange offlead Whippet be treated with caution around such a small pup. You betcha, especially if it's inclined to scream or run. NO responsible sighthound owner would counsel otherwise. My dogs have been extensively socialied with toy breeds. Not all dogs have and I suggest its best to assume not. Never heard of a Whippet killing a puppy, but cats, guinea pigs etc.. yep. But DO dogs kill puppies. All the time sadly. Aussie3: She shouldn't let it rush up to ANY unknown dog. But I don't see why she should keep it away either?? It's called socialisation. Without the consent of the other dog's owner and with the other dog under control, not in my book it ain't. It's called an accident waiting to happen. I said she shouldn't let it rush, I was talking about controlled meetings in a park for socialisation. Can you please show me where she said she believed ALL APBT's are sweet and gentle?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 She shouldn't let it rush up to ANY unknown dog. But I don't see why she should keep it away either?? It's called socialisation. Can you please show me where she said she believed ALL APBT's are sweet and gentle?? I don't think such an inference is a stretch from here: Bella (my cavalier king charles pup of 18 weeks) has met quite a few pit bulls in the last couple of weeks. She made friends with one at the vet who was upset when it was time for us to go, she made friends with 3 at the dog park and they were gentle and even protective of her. All of the pitbulls I have been in contact with have been sweet natured and gentle. But only the OP can tell us for sure. I'm happy to opt out of the thread now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) She shouldn't let it rush up to ANY unknown dog. But I don't see why she should keep it away either?? It's called socialisation. Can you please show me where she said she believed ALL APBT's are sweet and gentle?? I don't think such an inference is a stretch from here: Bella (my cavalier king charles pup of 18 weeks) has met quite a few pit bulls in the last couple of weeks. She made friends with one at the vet who was upset when it was time for us to go, she made friends with 3 at the dog park and they were gentle and even protective of her. All of the pitbulls I have been in contact with have been sweet natured and gentle. But only the OP can tell us for sure. I'm happy to opt out of the thread now. Ummm, no, she said all the Pit Bulls she has met have been sweet and gentle, not ALL pit bulls. I have to agree with her, I wonder sometimes if a lot of the people warning against Pit Bulls have ever owned one. Would be interesting to find out. But that's another topic :) Edited February 14, 2012 by Aussie3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
german_shep_fan Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) She shouldn't let it rush up to ANY unknown dog. But I don't see why she should keep it away either?? It's called socialisation. Can you please show me where she said she believed ALL APBT's are sweet and gentle?? I don't think such an inference is a stretch from here: Bella (my cavalier king charles pup of 18 weeks) has met quite a few pit bulls in the last couple of weeks. She made friends with one at the vet who was upset when it was time for us to go, she made friends with 3 at the dog park and they were gentle and even protective of her. All of the pitbulls I have been in contact with have been sweet natured and gentle. But only the OP can tell us for sure. I'm happy to opt out of the thread now. Sorry but Perhaps there will be some more positive talk now instead of taking every op to take the discussion off topic and "warn" of their danger which we get everyday anyway! Edited February 14, 2012 by german_shep_fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) Ummm, no, she said all the Pit Bulls she has met have been sweet and gentle, not ALL pit bulls. I have to agree with her, I wonder sometimes if a lot of the people warning against Pit Bulls have ever owned one. Would be interesting to find out. But that's another topic :) Of course they all haven't owned one. Some however have trained owners of them, competed in obedience with owners of them and talked widely with owners of them. Some folk are never going to take a punt on one if having a dog that has the capacity to get on well with strange dogs is a strong requirement for their dog. Seriously, would you? But I wonder sometimes whether significantly more legitimate advice is given here by owners whose entire experience with a breed is one pet dog. You see it all the time in the "what breed for me" thread.. descriptions of dogs that are not typical of the breed and recommendation based on that. Like a Whippet that is totally safe with all small animals and never runs off at a million miles an hour. They do exist but they ain't common and to base an opinion of a breed on one such dog? Not wise. I genuinely wish people did better research on dogs before they chose one. Reading the breed standard would be a good start. It would stop some dogs needing new homes.. like Whippets that 'shockingly' kill chickens. Edited February 14, 2012 by Telida Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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