Greytmate Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) I understand they may be educational to some degree but read the other 5billion posts about the people who have never owned a pitty give education speeches about them, can someone not say they are an awesome dog without another person derailing the thread and throwing it off topic to the point where the thread is now pretty much an unpleasant one to read? Pleasant or unpleasant, a video was posted of a big dog behaving less than awesomely, and a little dog repeatedly being chased by it and cowering in fear of it. The video doesn't show particularly gentle or friendly behaviour from the large brown dog. I am hoping the thread has been an education for Bellacks about being careful which dogs she allows her pup to play with. And I have stolen these diagrams from Biteme in the other thread, (Thanks Biteme) so that Bellckas can learn to identify how her dog and other dogs might be feeling from the body language and posture they display. People can say that any dog is awesome, but the video shows a situation that I wouldn't be happy to put my dog into at all. But it does show some really lovely and subtle playful body language from Bella when she wants the other cavalier to play with her. Edited February 14, 2012 by Greytmate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 A true breed lover embraces their chosen breeds qualities and recognises their faults and/or behavioural breed traits. To believe a breed is without any negative traits is to me irresponsible and complacent and this is aimed at all breeds not just the apbt or ckcs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguedog Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 oh FFS, shall we get back to the original topic instead of breed bashing???? NO dog or breed is perfect, cant we just have something positive for once without the negatives slammed in the face? pitty people cop it enough as it is, how about this ONE thread stay nice for once???? please??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
german_shep_fan Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) A true breed lover embraces their chosen breeds qualities and recognises their faults and/or behavioural breed traits. To believe a breed is without any negative traits is to me irresponsible and complacent and this is aimed at all breeds not just the apbt or ckcs. As ppl acknowledged multiple times in this thread after it was brought up :) Hence why now it has been done and dusted most would just like to get back to a lighter sort of thead, the way it was started. I think everyone has had enough 'education' of what they already know for this one thread :) I agree Roguedog Edit - Bellackcs Just curious what dog park this is? Noticing the amount of water is all, our park is the same atm, only the slackarse council won't mow it so it is yuck at the bottom and overgrown at the top, last wk i couldn't even see my 5mnth old the grass was that long Then on the wkend good old 'can do' was promoting himself abt 100metres away. I felt like going up and telling him if he wanted my vote he needs to put a boot up local council to keep the public areas just a little bit neater then they currently are :laugh: Edited February 14, 2012 by german_shep_fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 The negativity started in the first post when Bellackcs alarmingly described a strange large dog as being 'protective' of hers. If you want a thread to celebrate a breed, start one in breed sub-forms, where all the other breed threads are. The general discussion forum is for more general discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
german_shep_fan Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 The negativity started in the first post when Bellackcs alarmingly described a strange large dog as being 'protective' of hers. If you want a thread to celebrate a breed, start one in breed sub-forms, where all the other breed threads are. The general discussion forum is for more general discussion. There are differing opinions on that then. People are entitled to start a thread in the general if they wish. Sad that just ONE thread couldn't remain lighthearted and fun for a change... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 The negativity started in the first post when Bellackcs alarmingly described a strange large dog as being 'protective' of hers. If you want a thread to celebrate a breed, start one in breed sub-forms, where all the other breed threads are. The general discussion forum is for more general discussion. There are differing opinions on that then. People are entitled to start a thread in the general if they wish. Sad that just ONE thread couldn't remain lighthearted and fun for a change... No, I won't be starting a new thread to respond to something said in this thread. That's not how it works. There was nothing light-hearted or fun about that large brown dog in the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
german_shep_fan Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 The negativity started in the first post when Bellackcs alarmingly described a strange large dog as being 'protective' of hers. If you want a thread to celebrate a breed, start one in breed sub-forms, where all the other breed threads are. The general discussion forum is for more general discussion. There are differing opinions on that then. People are entitled to start a thread in the general if they wish. Sad that just ONE thread couldn't remain lighthearted and fun for a change... No, I won't be starting a new thread to respond to something said in this thread. That's not how it works. There was nothing light-hearted or fun about that large brown dog in the video. I didn't mean that, i meant that Bellackcs was entitled to start this thread in general... Others have also posted some nice pics of their dogs in this thread with some nice stories, even if one dog in Bella's vid was showing less then stella behaviour, others are still entitled to contribute in a nice way with their photos without being constantly educated about watching pits with other dogs ect, all things the responsible owners who post here know. If anyone else has any pics or stories of a more positive nature to post here then it would be lovely to see them. Otherwise maybe its time for it to die the usual DOL style death :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) The negativity started in the first post when Bellackcs alarmingly described a strange large dog as being 'protective' of hers. If you want a thread to celebrate a breed, start one in breed sub-forms, where all the other breed threads are. The general discussion forum is for more general discussion. TBH that just sounds like a nit pick and a some kind of fuel some poster was looking for in order to bring about a negative light.... I actually dont see any thing particularly alarming with the play, to me it looks like 2 dogs trying to figure out each others play style, no animal is in danger, bella seems actually confident towards the end, APBT looks like he just wants to join the fun but does not no how with such small things but it is being gentle and not over the top at all, I think people need to chill out and stop being so negative.... Those who have tried to throw some "educational" input to the thread, we dont care!, if we wanted to be educated we would participate in another thread. But as you may already know people who know about APBT are already educated about them... I know i certainly am and don’t particularly want to read another arrogant post about their nature and whatever knowledge you seem to have, iv heard it all, and so has everyone else. I don’t know why that cant be respected. Edited February 15, 2012 by GussysMum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Nobody is preventing anyone from being nice GSF. Please continue to post nice things if that is what you want to do. I will keep contributing to discussions about dog behaviour and interaction as described and shown on video if I think people are putting their pets into risky situations or misinterpreting anti-social dog behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Nobody is preventing anyone from being nice GSF. Please continue to post nice things if that is what you want to do. I will keep contributing to discussions about dog behaviour and interaction as described and shown on video if I think people are putting their pets into risky situations or misinterpreting anti-social dog behaviour. Sorry what credentials do you have in order to comment on such behaviour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 This is a PUBLIC forum, where discussion is encouraged, where education is encouraged if you do not feel as if you need to participate in a discussion or be educated then you do not have to either continue to participate or read the thread. I for one enjoy reading experienced posters advice/recommendations etc to not only see if I agree with it but to also possibly learn too. each member has their own individual right to comments as long as it is in the forum guidelines. I think Bella is a cute puppy who is being well socialised by her owner which is awesome but I have also been interested in other posters opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Nobody is preventing anyone from being nice GSF. Please continue to post nice things if that is what you want to do. I will keep contributing to discussions about dog behaviour and interaction as described and shown on video if I think people are putting their pets into risky situations or misinterpreting anti-social dog behaviour. Sorry what credentials do you have in order to comment on such behaviour? Your posts come across like you're deliberately trying to be a trouble maker. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) This is a PUBLIC forum, where discussion is encouraged, where education is encouraged if you do not feel as if you need to participate in a discussion or be educated then you do not have to either continue to participate or read the thread. I for one enjoy reading experienced posters advice/recommendations etc to not only see if I agree with it but to also possibly learn too. each member has their own individual right to comments as long as it is in the forum guidelines. I think Bella is a cute puppy who is being well socialised by her owner which is awesome but I have also been interested in other posters opinions. Can I point out the jist of the OP was to state how suprised she was to find the nature of the APBT she has encountered ( which by description is what they should be like unless owned by an idiot). This sweet and very nice gestiour has been totally torn to shreds by those wanting to educate about how totally oposite the OP could be about the breed which is 1) derailing the thread and 2) sending out incorrect information about the breed..... If those who are commenting have ever had interations with the breed and can speak from a personal point of view in relation to temperement and behaviour then by all means, but by the sounds of it, the information is from hear say and going back to roots which they have read on the internet, if we go back to roots of all breeds of course we are going to find undesirable characteristics - evolution is constant, it did not stop 50 years ago, its not going to stop in 50 years time, breeds evolve so do temprement and root characteristics. Edited February 15, 2012 by GussysMum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Nobody is preventing anyone from being nice GSF. Please continue to post nice things if that is what you want to do. I will keep contributing to discussions about dog behaviour and interaction as described and shown on video if I think people are putting their pets into risky situations or misinterpreting anti-social dog behaviour. Sorry what credentials do you have in order to comment on such behaviour? Your posts come across like you're deliberately trying to be a trouble maker. Just saying. Nope im genuinely curious as I would not be taking advise from a non experienced professional in such a specialised field of k9 behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Nobody is preventing anyone from being nice GSF. Please continue to post nice things if that is what you want to do. I will keep contributing to discussions about dog behaviour and interaction as described and shown on video if I think people are putting their pets into risky situations or misinterpreting anti-social dog behaviour. Sorry what credentials do you have in order to comment on such behaviour? Five years professionally assessing dog behaviour through their body language. Working under a program written by a veterinary behaviourist. Doing this on a weekly basis. Training by a veterinary behaviourist in assessing canine non-verbal communication as well as training and mentor-ship from a behaviourist with doctorate in canine prey drive. Training volunteers in assessing and documenting canine non-verbal communication, supervising them and documenting the information. Over ten years as a a qualified obedience and agility instructor at an ANKC affiliated obedience club. So as you can see, my input about dog behaviour is considered valuable by many dog owners. I know a lot about canine non-verbal communication and possible interpretations of the behaviour. I also have a wealth of experience in seeing consequences of certain behaviours, having been responsible for the care and rehoming of a very large number of dogs. What are your credentials? I'm now very interested in hearing from those with better credentials than mine (and there are some members here) and getting their thoughts on whether the word "protective' is appropriate and how they interpret the behaviour of the dogs in the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Your posts have been balanced, educational and sensible Telida. It's been refreshing to read them. Thanks for bringing that to the forum. Shame about all the dickheads who can't read, don't want to learn, and only come here to entertain themselves by beating others up. I don't know what the solution to that is as they overun this forum lately. If you use ignore for all the idiots, there will be nothing left to read... :laugh: How does this make you any better than anyone else then? By calling THEM names back??? Gawd, maybe Troy should just end this now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Unfortunately you can start a thread about sunshine and lollipops and you will get people that love them but also those warning about the dangers of UV and tooth decay. I wouldn't assume the posters do not have personal experience, some may not but they are showing concern for the op's dog. You just have to read the topic about the grey being attacked to see the potential problems and that is with any breed as I said I think it is awesome the OP is socialising her beautiful puppy but people have given their views too. It is great to see positive encounters but it is also important that the general public and non members of this forum can see that there are those in the dog community who are responsible about any type of breed and behaviour. This is obviously a breed close to your heart, it wouldn't matter what breeds were discussed to me for all we know they were bull breed crosses not APBT's anyway, as there isn't a huge amount of true pitties around I wouldn't think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) I would also love to hear from a well qualified behaviourlist in relation to what they percieve from the video as the OP is not a behaviourlist the word "protective" may have not been what a professional would use.... I personally did not see any "protecting" behaviour in that clip... just wagging tails. I have none :) just a proud owner of an APBT for 3 years and have been around the breed for 10.... I know exactly how an owner can destroy the dog and how an owner can bring an APBT to be a gentle soul will fabulous manners.... but as you see im commenting on how great they can be as an all round dog... Im trying very hard not to comment on behaviour because i didnt think the thread was about that... yes it is very close to my heart because there is nothing better then the general public appreciating a dog for what it is not the media and stereotype surrounding it.... as a dog forum i thought that would be a valued point of view clearly not.... I love it when people treat my dog like every other dog, ( ask if they can pat her, let her sniff the back of their hand, get down to her level)... you know what i HATE people jumping onto on coming traffic to get away from her when she is walking on a foot path, people giving me dirty looks as we take her in a public place, pointing and saying I shouldnt have that dog in public... and even worse once we have had people yell out its a baby killer.... its not fun, and the last thing I want to read is how their fighting heritage is going to kick in at any point which is total bogus especially in a thread where someone is trying to recognise the good of the breed... om opting out of this thread because it is actually upsetting. Edited February 15, 2012 by GussysMum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lavendergirl Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I have no comment about the nature of pitbulls etc but I was very uncomfortable about the safety of that little dog in that video. Bellackcs please consider confining your little cavalier to small dog parks - I dare say she will enjoy it a lot more :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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