Salukifan Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) In what way were the pitbulls protective of your puppy? She was playing and was bolled over and the Pit Bull went over to make sure she was okay, another dog was growling at her and another pit bull stepped in front of Bella... those kind of things. I could suggest other interpretations of that behaviour Bella that have nothing to do with a larger dog's interest in 'protecting' your pup. And believe me when I say that , they are not breed specific. I'll repeat that for those who want to see what I'm saying as pit bull knocking. NOT BREED SPECIFIC. I could suggest, for example that a small pup, knocked over and possibly being rough housed can inspire strong predatory instincts in many dogs. Or that many a dominant dog will 'step up' to a dog they see as posturing in such a manner to any other dog in the vicinity. The posture of the dogs involved would have been enlightening but I'll conclude by saying that there are few dogs who act in the role of 'dog park police' for any reasons other than their self interest. Owners sometimes find out when that many dogs rush towards some kind of fracas in a multi-dog situations they are are not doing so to see if the dogs are alright. Pack behaviour can be both shocking and frightening for owners of pets not used to seeing it play out in multi-dog situations. You need to be careful about such things. Dogs are not people. Understanding that can put quite a different slant on things whether the breed involved is a Golden Retriever or a pit bull. I have to say that the most amazing thing about all of this is that not one, but 4 people have identified their dogs as a restricted breed in situations where the dogs simply shouldn't be if the owners are obeying the law in NSW. Edited February 14, 2012 by Telida Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 In what way were the pitbulls protective of your puppy? She was playing and was bolled over and the Pit Bull went over to make sure she was okay, another dog was growling at her and another pit bull stepped in front of Bella... those kind of things. I probably wouldn't interpret any of those behaviours with the other dogs being protective of Bella. And if she was bowled over then it doesn't sound all that gentle either. That's great that these dogs were so friendly, but I wouldn't allow a small breed puppy to play with a group of strange large-breed dogs. There are risks involved with the difference of size. A 30 kg dog can really do some damage to a five kilo dog, just by accident. Besides that these 3 dogs already had an established pack structure. One-on-one playing sessions with new dogs are always going to be safer and easier to control. Three dogs running in a pack can easily get overexcited to the point where a small dog isn't treated as gently as it could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavamum Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share Posted February 14, 2012 Here is her first dog park experience.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuddleDuck Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 One of the nicest and most trustworthy dogs I have ever EVER met (and I've met a lot) was a pitty that was rescued after a 'successful' career as a fighting dog. He had apparently been 'blooded' and had a badly broken front leg that the a-holes who fought never had sorted, so was a bit badly healed. He was SUCH a smoocher! Nicest, most stable, loving dog I have met in a long time. I spent about 12 months getting to know him and the most 'aggressive' thing he ever did was try and pull my trackie pants down to get to the liver treats in the pocket they only odd behaviour I saw from him was when he went and hid for half a day after taking a teeny nibble out of a garbage bag. Thank dog people can see past media frenzies and negative rumors. Because someone saw past that, this beautiful, amazing, kind hearted fella got a chance to find out the world can be a good place too. I will always and forever count him as a heart dog, and would've only thing that would stop me getting one is I take my dogs to Vic every year and fear I wouldn't be able to protect a pitty from the legislation down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavamum Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share Posted February 14, 2012 Here is her first dog park experience.... This was her playing with the other dogs about an hour after they met. Bella has the Blue harness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 In what way were the pitbulls protective of your puppy? She was playing and was bolled over and the Pit Bull went over to make sure she was okay, another dog was growling at her and another pit bull stepped in front of Bella... those kind of things. I could suggest other interpretations of that behaviour Bella that have nothing to do with a larger dog's interest in 'protecting' your pup. And believe me when I say that , they are not breed specific. I'll repeat that for those who want to see what I'm saying as pit bull knocking. NOT BREED SPECIFIC. I could suggest, for example that a small pup, knocked over and possibly being rough housed can inspire strong predatory instincts in many dogs. Or that many a dominant dog will 'step up' to a dog they see as posturing in such a manner to any other dog in the vicinity. The posture of the dogs involved would have been enlightening but I'll conclude by saying that there are few dogs who act in the role of 'dog park police' for any reasons other than their self interest. Owners sometimes find out when that many dogs rush towards some kind of fracas in a multi-dog situations they are are not doing so to see if the dogs are alright. Pack behaviour can be both shocking and frightening for owners of pets not used to seeing it play out in multi-dog situations. You need to be careful about such things. Dogs are not people. Understanding that can put quite a different slant on things whether the breed involved is a Golden Retriever or a pit bull. I have to say that the most amazing thing about all of this is that not one, but 4 people have identified their dogs as a restricted breed in situations where the dogs simply shouldn't be if the owners are obeying the law in NSW. i see you are still here lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 i see you are still here lol Yep. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Haters be hating --- I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-27.523486,152.984255 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Haters be hating --- I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-27.523486,152.984255 And those with nothing of value to add be fanning the flames of conflict. Nice one. A member for less than six months and you're putting the boot in. I hope you feel real proud of yourself. I'm sure you'll get some congratulatory PMs though so that makes it all good. wish people would actually read what I write. But as I said earlier, this is all incredibly educative. It seems posting an opinion, not popularly held and not unerringly flattering about a breed gets you: * insulted * facetious counter posts in a thread you start * called a troll * told you can't post in accordance with forum rules if what you say isn't "positive" And all of that for what was, I thought, quite a balanced post. Fascinating. Just fascinating. Thanks all. I'm so glad I didn't declare my previous DOL name when I rejoined here. Its been absolutely rivetting to see how a relative newb can be treated for expressing an opinion not considered acceptable by some members. Thanks a lot. I shall never forget this when I comment on other newbs posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florise Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Your posts have been balanced, educational and sensible Telida. It's been refreshing to read them. Thanks for bringing that to the forum. Shame about all the dickheads who can't read, don't want to learn, and only come here to entertain themselves by beating others up. I don't know what the solution to that is as they overun this forum lately. If you use ignore for all the idiots, there will be nothing left to read... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Here is her first dog park experience.... I don't think that brown dog is playing in a particularly friendly or gentle way. Your pup doesn't seem to enjoy it at all when that dog goes right over the top of her. Telida, not everyone here is part of Team Pitbull. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Time out guys. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corrie Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Wow. Telida has been balanced in what she has posted and I think some people are being incredibly rude. Fair enough have an opposing opinion. I love pitbulls and think they need advocates who are reasoned in their reponses and have respect for their breed traits not denile. Cute Cav. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumof4girls Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Telida I think there are many passionate people on here in regard to Bull breeds that they are quick to pounce, justified or not, I think they are just so used to defending their breed with so much negative talk about them in the media ( I am presuming here but what I have read in other threads that is what I have noticed) :-) With that said more photos please :-) Telida, I don't think anyone is upset about you warning people to be careful with their puppies around strange dogs. The Pit Bull has been totally screwed over and I'm sure you can understand how it's fanciers are upset by that. All we hear about is how evil they are, how one day they just snap and eat your whole family, they're all dog aggressive etc etc etc. It was just nice to have someone saying that their experience with the breed was all good. Simple as that. We all know what you have been saying and I guess most people are sick of hearing it. I hope you don't take offence, and of course you are entitled to your own opinion, it just gets frustrating when every thread about this breed goes that way. Why thank you Aussie 3. I was only offended by being called 'dense' and a troll. I expect to be disagreed with.. we all have opinions and many times they differ. Again Stop calling me names and you may rest assured I won't be posting anything about APBTs ever again. Including their GOOD points. This experience has been educative to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florise Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I don't think that brown dog is playing in a particularly friendly or gentle way. Your pup doesn't seem to enjoy it at all when that dog goes right over the top of her. I agree. I was concerned watching that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) Telida I think there are many passionate people on here in regard to Bull breeds that they are quick to pounce, justified or not, I think they are just so used to defending their breed with so much negative talk about them in the media ( I am presuming here but what I have read in other threads that is what I have noticed) :-) I'm incredibly passionate about dog safety. If I think a course of action is standing a dog owner into danger, I think its justified to politely point it out. I own a breed that requires a fair bit of management around small prey animals. I know that no amount of socialisation and training is going to change a dog with a very high prey drive and a low trigger to chase into something else. I see a tendency these days to suggest that socialisation and training is the be all and end all of dogs that that genetics has no bearing on their behaviour. It was suggested here and that's why I posted in the first place, That way likes tragedy and I tried politely to point it out with references to other hard wired breed behaviours in breeds including my own. More fool me. OP has said she's making no assumption that a dog is safe because of its breed. I suggest she take that attitude with EVERY breed. About the video, all I can say is IMO the OP can thank her lucky stars she has small submissive dogs. Perhaps the larger dog owners restrict their dogs' interactions to such dogs.. smart move I'd say. I saw dominant body language and a pretty high degree of arousal. Edited February 14, 2012 by Telida Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I don't think that brown dog is playing in a particularly friendly or gentle way. Your pup doesn't seem to enjoy it at all when that dog goes right over the top of her. I agree. I was concerned watching that. Yip - not interested in the bunfight but that body language wad very dominant and she wad stood over and rounded up a fair bit. She didn't look comfortable all the time. FWIW not a great idea to hold your dog dangling like that either - this often encourages dogs to jump up. TW hasn't said anything controversial, other than break an unwritten rule... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavamum Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) I don't think that brown dog is playing in a particularly friendly or gentle way. Your pup doesn't seem to enjoy it at all when that dog goes right over the top of her. I agree. I was concerned watching that. Yip - not interested in the bunfight but that body language wad very dominant and she wad stood over and rounded up a fair bit. She didn't look comfortable all the time. FWIW not a great idea to hold your dog dangling like that either - this often encourages dogs to jump up. TW hasn't said anything controversial, other than break an unwritten rule... That wasn't me holding my dog, that was someone else with a cavalier pup....my dog was playing chasings. Edited February 14, 2012 by Bellackcs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Haters be hating --- I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-27.523486,152.984255 And those with nothing of value to add be fanning the flames of conflict. Nice one. A member for less than six months and you're putting the boot in. I hope you feel real proud of yourself. I'm sure you'll get some congratulatory PMs though so that makes it all good. wish people would actually read what I write. But as I said earlier, this is all incredibly educative. It seems posting an opinion, not popularly held and not unerringly flattering about a breed gets you: * insulted * facetious counter posts in a thread you start * called a troll * told you can't post in accordance with forum rules if what you say isn't "positive" And all of that for what was, I thought, quite a balanced post. Fascinating. Just fascinating. Thanks all. I'm so glad I didn't declare my previous DOL name when I rejoined here. Its been absolutely rivetting to see how a relative newb can be treated for expressing an opinion not considered acceptable by some members. Thanks a lot. I shall never forget this when I comment on other newbs posts. Who's putting the boot in? Very presumptuous to assume my comment was directed at you. Calm down dear. --- I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-27.523622,152.984169 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I understand they may be educational to some degree but read the other 5billion posts about the people who have never owned a pitty give education speeches about them, can someone not say they are an awesome dog without another person derailing the thread and throwing it off topic to the point where the thread is now pretty much an unpleasant one to read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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