wantsapuppy Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 This is a tough one because had the greyhound been leashed this wouldn't of happened, however had the bully breed had a decent leash ( sounds like it was on its last leg) the owner could of pulled it away . Hope you dog heals well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I like others I truly hope your dog is ok, but if this wasn't a leashed area I don't know how you will go. That image of her being hurt would have been awful. You have stated that she has run off before but just runs in a circle I hope in future that she stays leashed if it is in fact not a leash free area. This is one of the reasons I was always so hesitant to take my big dogs in public, being rushed at by other dogs that are not under control. Good luck let us know how you go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) I think both parties had fault in this situation, the greyhound owner for letting their dog race up and bark at a strange leashed dog and the DA dog's owners for failing to have their dog adequately and safely contained. I have DA dog and he has broken leashes, broken and slipped collars etc (not to attack other dogs but just because of poor quality equipment) - it's not hard for leashes with those die cast chrome snaps to break under shock loading, which is why I am paranoid about only ever using good quality equipment. I have also had a DA dog break off it's collar and attack my (leashed) dog, I cannot stress enough the importance of using safe equipment, it should be a priority especially for anyone with dogs with aggression/reactivity issues. Edited February 13, 2012 by huski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 So sorry to hear that your dog was hurt. I hope it recovers fully. Unless your dog was in a designated off lead area you too must bear some of the responsibility. Unfortunately your dog was not a match for a stronger animal and came off badly. But what if, hypothetically, someone was walking a smaller fluffy dog and your off lead dog had barked at it, it's lead broke and your dog then severely injured it? A greyhound is well capable of inflicting injury to a small toy breed. Sadly it was a bad set of circumstances that day for your dog. I have many times walked my German Shepherd on lead at parks only to have peoples dog who are running off lead do "hit and runs", where they run up to us barking and rile my dog up. When this happens a few time I ask the owner if they would like me to let my dog off lead too so it can "play' with their dog? This usually produces a lead and my dog is left in peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 IMO whether it was a designated off-leash beach or not doesn't absolve the OP of the responsibility of having THEIR dog under adequate control. They know the dog "runs off", they know the dog doesn't have good dog-on-dog skills but they still don't keep it on a leash - obviously they didn't have adequate control over THEIR dog to start with. I am sorry when any dog gets hurt and I hope the Grey heals quickly, but in the overall scheme of things it is up to every owner to protect their dog first and foremost and if we do the best we can and something bad still happens then it's time to start saying who's to blame. A Greyhound vs any large strong dog is not going to end well for the Greyhound, and the other dog doesn't even have to be particularly aggressive or "nasty" for this to be so. I have owned a Greyhound, she was NEVER off leash unless in a fenced area, not once in her entire life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 IMO whether it was a designated off-leash beach or not doesn't absolve the OP of the responsibility of having THEIR dog under adequate control. They know the dog "runs off", they know the dog doesn't have good dog-on-dog skills but they still don't keep it on a leash - obviously they didn't have adequate control over THEIR dog to start with. I am sorry when any dog gets hurt and I hope the Grey heals quickly, but in the overall scheme of things it is up to every owner to protect their dog first and foremost and if we do the best we can and something bad still happens then it's time to start saying who's to blame. A Greyhound vs any large strong dog is not going to end well for the Greyhound, and the other dog doesn't even have to be particularly aggressive or "nasty" for this to be so. I have owned a Greyhound, she was NEVER off leash unless in a fenced area, not once in her entire life. Yes, Sandra777, this advise was given to my friend when she adopted her first GAP greyhound, of which I have had the joy of caring for many, many times. She is now on her 6th, so some years have passed. Amongst the obvious reasons, ie. recall or lack thereof, the other reason she was told is when they run around they can actually injure themselves due to the speed of stopping and potentially crashing into things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atanquin Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) I'm sorry about your Dog getting hurt but I'm sorry to say I don't think the other dog was to blame in this situation. Your dog was off lead an NOT under affective control, your dog also ran up and barked at the on lead dog aggravating him. As to the lead breaking that is unfortunate but it can happen from the lead being worn out to it having a fault, we had a strong leather lead for our GSD and it snapped due to a fault. Hope your dog has a speedy recovery. Edited February 13, 2012 by Atanquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 There are many factors that could be looked into a situation like this and not all Councils will simply say that your dog was injured and take action against the other dog. Some examples: Was the area leashed or unleashed? If your dog was off-leash you committed an offence and as a result of this your dog was injured. Yes the other owners leash broke but they did have the dog leashed and therefore were trying to do the right thing. Your dog was out of your sight and you had no voice control. Your dog barked at the other dog. This could be seen as provocation under the (NSW - not sure about QLD) act. You say it was a small bark but he could have rushed up straight into this dogs face and barked repeatedly, dancing around. Your dog was obviously badly injured which I'm very sorry to hear however Grey's skin breaks very easily and it wouldn't have necessarily been a sustained serious attack for those injuries to occur. You may find that in a case like this the Council will choose to just take no action against any party as there is no way to truly lay full blame on either side. Please refrain from calling the dog a Pit Bull as you have said yourself you are unsure of the breed. 'Bull breed mix' will suffice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymatejack Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I for one think that any dog that is either dog aggressive or lead aggressive should not be walked in an offlead area. Although lots of people here want to get on their high horses and talk about the owner of the off lead dog as not having proper control, the reality is that probably 95% of the owners i see at the beach each day do not have proper control of their dog. If your dog is aggressive take it somewhere else! Just a little clarification to the above, i see a lady most days at the beach who tells me her dog is very lead reactive .... she ensures that the moment she gets to the offlead area she lets her dog off the lead. Also i'm assuming that the OP was in an offlead area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 If your dog is aggressive take it somewhere else! And people with off-lead dogs who aren't able to control them need to be careful too as it could be their dog who traumatises another dog who might not ever have been aggressive but exhibits (and therefore learns) aggression due to an inappropriate affront. Everyone needs to be careful and thoughtful, regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddy Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 i know it must of been very upsetting for you but i am inclined to agree with Gussy's mum on this. Perhaps the speed of which your dog came into the other dogs space startled it? If the dog was on a lead to begin with can it be assumed it was an accident the other dog broke lose? Your dog was already lose then started acting aggressively back to the other dog. The other dog may be social in a calmer situation but was simply stunned by your dogs sudden and quick appearence. A dog that breaks its lead and attacks like this because it was startled is a very dangerous dog and should be declared dangerous. No matter how it behaves when it isn't in the mood to attack. This is the sort of dog that we don't need out in our community at all. I'm surprised that anyone would try to excuse such horrifically destructive behaviour. There is no excuse for that. I have to agree with this. If a dog is unstable enough to severely attack another dog for moving into its space, it should probably be muzzled when out in public for everyones' safety. The breed doesn't matter there- any dog can cause damage. I do think the OP should've been more careful, however - I've had a hound ripped open from shoulder to loin by a -nip- from another dog, the grey jumped at just the wrong time and it basically peeled her skin back like a banana. They're delicate dogs and against most other breeds, would come off second best. If you're walking your grey on lead, you can at least control the environment around the dog to a certain extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emgem Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) I wish people on this forum would stop attacking the victims. Nowhere does the OP's statement suggest his dog ran up to or rushed the attacking dog, nor does he say his dog was the one to initiate the conflict. In fact, he specifically says that his dog started barking in response to aggresssive behaviour from the attacking dog. It is not ideal in that situation but well within the bounds of normal. Yes, the OP would be partially responsible if his dog was off lead in an on leash area but this is just an assumption. In my opinion, any dog that attacks so violently with so little provocation should be muzzled when in public. Edited February 13, 2012 by emgem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymatejack Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) I for one think that any dog that is either dog aggressive or lead aggressive should not be walked in an offlead area. Although lots of people here want to get on their high horses and talk about the owner of the off lead dog as not having proper control, the reality is that probably 95% of the owners i see at the beach each day do not have proper control of their dog. If your dog is aggressive take it somewhere else! Just a little clarification to the above, i see a lady most days at the beach who tells me her dog is very lead reactive .... she ensures that the moment she gets to the offlead area she lets her dog off the lead. Also i'm assuming that the OP was in an offlead area. Off leash areas are for everyone and if you can't stop your dog racing up to another dog then don't let it off leash. What if you are walking your dog calmly by your side, a dog who is not known for launching attacks on other dogs, when another off leash dog comes barrelling up to your dog and barking and carrying on in its face? Many, many dogs who are not DA would react badly to that and at the very least tell the dog off with a snap and snarl, which could start an all out fight. Is it wise to walk in to a crowded off leash dog park with a reactive dog? No, not particularly. Should you be able to walk your dog on the beach without expecting to be rushed by other dogs? Absolutely. I do have control of my dog, i'm just saying that 95%, probably realistically 99%, of dog owners don't. Lots of times i have stupid little yappy things run at jack barking and carrying on, no i don't like it, but thats life. If I had any worries that jack would launch an attack on them, i wouldn't have him at an offleash park! I've seen lots of muppets with aggressive dogs who come to the beach, but one memorable one was a MASSIVE american bulldog(i've seen plenty of AB's but nothing like this thing). He was being walked on a choker chain, his big tough owner leaning back against the dog pulling, this dogs(and i meen literally) eyes were popping out of its head wanting to get at any dog insight ... sure enough some little yappy thing ran up to this dog and got munched. Should the little yappy thing have run up to the other dog, probably not, but thats the reality of offleash areas. I still remember thinking, if that leash breaks there's going to be a big problem! p.s if you think your dog might react badly to some dog simply running up and barking at it, maybe you need to reconsider how you train/socialise your dog!!! Edited February 13, 2012 by mymatejack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-sass Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I have rescued greyhound, she's 6yo and we've had her for almost 3years now. She has a wonderful nature with people, but is often a little unnsure how to act around other dogs. She seems to have learnt from our neighbour's dogs to bark at dogs as they walk past our place, and she does ocassionally take on an aggressive pose to other dogs, but its all show and she has never attempted to bite or chase another dog or cat. Like all greyhounds she loves to run, we had her at our local beach (in a regional area so it wasn't busy) and she was happily swimming with us until she got spooked by a large wave and took off for a run. She does this occassionally and usually involves a short sprint at top pace in a rough circle back to us. On this ocassion she came across a large pit bull looking dog ( I will call it a pit bull but I am not certain) the pit bull was on a leash but was extremly aggressive toward our dog. Our dog doesn't realise the danger she is in and barks back at the pit bull, the pit bull is on a leash so the situation looks under control, that is until the pit bull breaks its leash grabs our dog and starts trying to kill it. I am not exaggerating the blood and gapping wounds on our dog were horrific, the vet said that a smaller dog would almost certainly have been killed by the attack. I acknowledge that we contributed to the situation by not having our dog on a leash, but the pit also wasn't adequately restrained, my question is how do I have this dog declared dangerous and am I entitled to ask the owner of the pit bull to pay the vet bill? We are in Qld. Do you know who the owner is and where they live, otherwise pursuing the matter will be a waste of time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) I wish people on this forum would stop attacking the victims. Nowhere does the OP's statement suggest his dog ran up to or rushed the attacking dog, nor does he say his dog was the one to initiate the conflict. In fact, he specifically says that his dog started barking in response to aggresssive behaviour from the attacking dog. It is not ideal in that situation but well within the bounds of normal. Yes, the OP would be partially responsible if his dog was off lead in an on leash area but this is just an assumption. In my opinion, any dog that attacks so violently with so little provocation should be muzzled when in public. If the OP was near their dog or even had her dog in site this probably would not have been the out come..... there would have been some time between the dogs barking at eachother and the other dog breaking off leash and attacking.... to bad if there was a snake or something and forget it was even a dog that attacked the OP's grey.... what if it was a snake or something else.... the OP would have no control at all because they are no where near their dog!! its just ridiculous.... having your dog off lead running around like a free animal is one thing, being no where near it whilst it is doing so is another... irresponsible on both accounts. Edited February 13, 2012 by GussysMum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emgem Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Her dog took off running and came across the other dog during her sprint. It would be reasonable to assume this means her dog ran toward the other dog, otherwise she would not have encountered the other dog. Many dogs do not take kindly to dogs pelting toward them at full speed. See I think that is a massive overreach. The dog was running yes, but that does not mean the dog was running directly at the other dog. What's more a dog even a greyhound should be able to run by or near another dog without being attacked (assuming it is an appropriate area for off leash running.) My own dog does exactly that ( often accompanied by one or more playmates) and as long as he is not interacting with dogs without permission he should be free to do so without being molested. In fact our parks are so crowded that there are multiple dogs running back and forth chasing balls or frisbees or stick or each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 This thread is rapidly degenerating into baseless speculation. A little less assigning blame and a little more understanding that it takes TWO owners and TWO dogs to make a dog fight might not be a bad idea. No one 'won' in this case. OP has a dog full of holes and the other owner is staring down the barrel of a Dangerous Dog Declaration and all the restrictions that go with it I count that as two canine 'victims' and two owners that didn't do right by their dogs. Degrees of blame are academic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korbin13 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 This thread is rapidly degenerating into baseless speculation. A little less assigning blame and a little more understanding that it takes TWO owners and TWO dogs to make a dog fight might not be a bad idea. No one 'won' in this case. OP has a dog full of holes and the other owner is staring down the barrel of a Dangerous Dog Declaration and all the restrictions that go with it I count that as two canine 'victims' and two owners that didn't do right by their dogs. Degrees of blame are academic. Considering the OP made one post and then never came back and clarified, it was always going to degenerate into baseless speculation That is the way of the internets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymatejack Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 What i really wonder is how many of the keyboard warriors here would actually have proper control of their own dogs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffyluv Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 What a terrible state of affairs this is for both dogs and their owners... Hopefully the owner of the grey will take responsibility and pay the vet bill himself. In my opinion if I had a dog that was not appropriate with other dogs, there is no way in hell it would be off leash... It is sad but some dogs just can't have the freedom that others can... Also when the OP reports this incident the other owner will have to deal with the possibility of having his dog declared dangerous, all because he was walking on a beach at a time when the OPs out of control dog decided to be spooked and take off... I don't think DOLers will ever know the full story unless both owners turn up here asking for advice. I do hope the grey makes a full and speedy recovery and his owner realizes that it should not be an off lead dog in the future... How sad for everyone involved... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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