Anyone Tried Xp30/20?

[Joblo]

Anyone tried the new Australian produced Super Premium Dogfood XP3020???

Only new on the market but receiving good reviews from those that have given it a go apparently, selling for around $55 plus freight for 15kg bags so very reasonably priced in comparison to other Super Premium foods.

The list of ingredients certainly stack up well too!!

Appreciate any feedback from anyone that is feeding it currently??

http://www.xp3020.com.au/index.html

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS

Crude Protein (min) 30%

Crude Fat (min) 20%

Crude Fibre (min) 3%

Moisture (max) 10%

Calcium (min) 1.5%

Phosphorous (min) 1.2%

Vitamin A (min) 16500 IU/kg

Vitamin D3 1100 IU/kg

Vitamin E (min) 110 IU/kg

Vitamin C 40 mg/kg

INGREDIENTS

Chicken meal, ground corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of vitamin E),

Oatgroats, dried beet pulp, dried egg product,

Yeast culture, lecithin, dicalcium phosphate, chicken flavour, flaxseed, dried tomato pomace,

Salt, potassium chloride, calcium propionate (preservative), inulin,

Yeast extract, DL-methionine, L-lysine, choline chloride,

Glucosamine sulphate, yucca schidigera extract, citric acid, fumaric acid, malic acid, lactic acid,

Chondroitin sulphate, L-carnitine,

Dried blueberry, dried cranberry, dried carrot, dried apple,

Dried spinach, dried broccoli, dried orange, dried carob, dried thyme, dried ginger,

Ferrous sulphate, zinc oxide, vitamin E supplement, sodium selinite, zinc proteinate,

Ascorbic acid (vitamin C), iron proteinate, manganous oxide, niacin, calcium pantothenate,

Copper sulphate, manganese proteinate, vitamin A acetate, inositol, biotin,

Vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate,

Copper proteinate, vitamin D3 supplement, calcium iodate, folic acid.

Edited February 11, 2012 by Joblo

[becks]

i wouldn't feed a food with corn as a main ingredient, not the most digestable food ever!

[anniek]

i wouldn't feed a food with corn as a main ingredient, not the most digestable food ever!

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[Joblo]

http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=betterproducts

What to look for:

►Whole ground grains such as rice, oats, barley, millet etc., potatoes, sweet potatoes, peas

►Corn often gets an undeserved bad reputation. While it is not acceptable as a main source of protein in a dog food (as it is used in combination with corn gluten), as a source of carbohydrates it is no better and no worse than other grains in terms of nutritional value and digestibility. The starch part of corn is highly digestible but the whole ground product has a higher fiber content than other grains (around 7%), which results in slightly larger stools - often incorrectly interpreted as lack of digestibility. Unless an individual dog is intolerant or allergic to corn, there is no need to avoid products which include it in reasonable amounts.

[Miranda]

i wouldn't feed a food with corn as a main ingredient, not the most digestable food ever!

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[Tassie]

The 30/20 percentage seems very high to me - prefer something like 26/14 or thereabouts - for active dogs.

[Flaves]

i wouldn't feed a food with corn as a main ingredient, not the most digestable food ever!

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agreed and has lots of fillers

[Sue]

Chicken meal and chicken fat appear to be the only animal products in it. I wouldn't feed it.

[anniek]

http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=betterproducts

What to look for:

►Whole ground grains such as rice, oats, barley, millet etc., potatoes, sweet potatoes, peas

►Corn often gets an undeserved bad reputation. While it is not acceptable as a main source of protein in a dog food (as it is used in combination with corn gluten), as a source of carbohydrates it is no better and no worse than other grains in terms of nutritional value and digestibility. The starch part of corn is highly digestible but the whole ground product has a higher fiber content than other grains (around 7%), which results in slightly larger stools - often incorrectly interpreted as lack of digestibility. Unless an individual dog is intolerant or allergic to corn, there is no need to avoid products which include it in reasonable amounts.

I prefer to look for MEAT

[stormie]

To be fair, the first ingredient is chicken meal, which is just chicken with the moisture taken out, so technically the main ingredient is a meat.

I get annoyed at food companies who brag about their main ingredient being straight meat, but that ingredient list is in wet matter form, so once the moisture has been sucked from the meat, it probably wouldn't be close to being the main ingredient.

But I'm not a huge fan of corn in foods, let alone as the second main ingredient. But nice to see something of reasonable quality being produced in Australia :)

[Andisa]

It's not what I would call a super premium food .

[Missymoo]

Neither would I Andisa

[brighton]

Below is a post which I saw on a greyhound site - although it was written for greyhounds it is very relevant to all dogs.

It was written by a John Hutchison - I hope he doesn't mind it being put on here.

He finishes off by saying the best premium food in the market in NUTRIENCE - interestingly this XP30/20 is VERY SIMILAR to NUTRIENCE

So I would think XP30/20 is VERY MUCH A PREMIUM FOOD

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Perhaps I can help everyone who wishes to know about Premium foods and greyhounds.

Firstly, for those of you who do not know me, I introduced the FIRST Premium Food into Australia - EUKANUBA in 1989 - and, I because I have a passionate interesest in greyhound racing, I promoted it heavily to the greyhound industry. This was not the only place that my I promoted the food. Show dog owners, pet owners, police dogs, agility dogs, RAAF dogs etc.

I spent many years promoting the food to the Veterinary profession, who until then recommemded PAL canned food (can you believe that)

It was an unbelievably hard slog (almost impossible) convincing veterinarians and pet owners that this was the food of the future. But that task was easy compared with talking to greyhound trainers about changing their diet. BUT I did not give up because I believed so strongly in the food.

So I take the blame for premium foods - but I have no regrets.

The best way to tackle this subject is to talk about the requirements of the dog.

Feeding a greyhound is not rocket science. A greyhound requires protein, fat, vitamins and minerals to thrive.

PROTEIN

Protein is not required for the protein itself, rather for the amino acids which make up the protein. There are 22 amino acids - some of which are essential and some of which are non-essential.

Essential amino acids are called such because the must be supplied in the diet. The greyhound cannot synthesize them in the body (ie make them).

The non-essential amino acids do not necessarily have to be supplied in the diet (provided an adequate amount of quality protein (including the essential amino acids are supplied) as the dog can synthesize them in the body by breaking down the essential amino acids and reforming them into the non-essential amino acids.

Essential Amino acids are required to maintain muscle, skin, coat etc. as well as provide enzymes and hormones for the correct functioning of the body.

Now there are many food ingredients that contain protein, but not all forms of protein contain both the essential and non-essential amino acids.

Meat DOES contain ALL the essential amino acids, while cereal protein DOES NOT.

There are different types of meat - Horse, Beef, kangaroo (if you live in Australia), Lamb or Mutton, chicken, egg protein etc

There is not a lot of difference between all these meat types with regard to the Quality.

The best protein is Egg (which is considered the perfect protein) or 100% protein.

Chicken comes in next followed by horse, beef and kangaroo and then follows lamb/mutton. But for feeding purposes all meats are about the same.

Cereal forms of protein on the other hand are poor quality proteins for feeding dogs as they do not contain ALL the essential amino acids.

It makes NO difference if the meat you use is raw or cooked. Cooking will not reduce the effectiveness on the amino acids in the meat.

FAT

Fat is extremely important to a greyhound. Greyhounds use fat preferentially for their energy source ie. it is the first ingredient the body uses to supply the energy needs of the dog - if a diet is deficient in fat, then the body will start to use protein for energy and the protein will not then be available to meet the bodies needs for proteins.

(Generally speaking the first sign of protein deficiency will be a dull lifeless coat, because the hair of the greyhound is 90% protein and this is the first body organ to be denied protein should a deficiency arise in the diet).

Fats include both oils and fats and these must contain te essential fatty acids. Fortunately for dogs they can make the essential fatty acids they need, provided there is sufficient fat in the diet.

Fats are also important becaue they provide the highest level of metablolic water (when fats are broken down in the digestion process water is one of the things produced).

And whilst this level is only 5% to 10% of the daily intake required, it is extremely important to help a greyhound maintain correct hydration - a problem which many trainers battle with.

VITAMINS

The main function of vitamins is as catalysts for the body enzyme systems. They also help to resist disease and infection. Trace amounts are essential for normal metabolic function. Most vitamins connot be synthesized so must be provided in the diet.

MINERALS

These are only required in small amounts and must also be supplied in the diet.

CARBOHYDRATES

At the start of this post I did not mention carbohydrates as being required by the greyhound. That is because they are NOT essential nutrients for the dog.

However, all dogs will eat some form of carbohydrate every day because it is fed in almost every diet. There is nothing wrong with this, as carbohydrate is a good form of energy, and also a cheap form of energy. They do provide for some surplus glucose to be converted to glycogen and stored.

Having bored you so far with a brief summary of why the different classes of nutrients are required and what they do, what is the best diet for the greyhound.

The answer to this is that there are many choices available.

Most greyhound trainers feed a raw meat and "kibble" diet to their dogs. The meat will provide the protein and some fat, the kibble will provide a little further protein, fat, carbohydate etc. and to this they add vitamins and minerals etc.

If you analyse most of these diets Meat and "non premium" kibble diets they will provide somewhere in the order of 35% protein, and 15% fat.

I think that is too little fat as a percentage, and probably a little high in protein, and often you will find the more successful trainers adding oil or fat to their diet to allow for this.

BUT THE REAL QUESTION IS - "CAN YOU FEED A DRY FOOD DIET"?

I guess this is the original topic - and the answer is yes.

BullSh*t I hear many saying.

But you can IF AND ONLY IF you feed the right Dry Food.

There are dry foods that can be fed in place of the meat and kibble diet. Remember cooking does not destroy the value of the ingredients, so it does not matter whether the food you feed your dogs is cooked or not.

What matters is the quality of what is in the food. Does the protein come from meat, is there sufficient quality fat in the product, etc.

Most Premium Foods DO provide protein from Meat sources although when you read the label there are corn, wheat, rice, maize etc in them as well and these will also provide some amount of Protein.

Over the years since the introdcution of premium Foods into Australia there have been formulation changes. Some of which, I think, have not been for the better of the nutrition provided to the dog.

In my opinion the best Premium Food on the market today in Australia is NUTRIENCE.

This food has a formulation very close to the formulation used in Eukanuba when it was first introduced into Australia.

I have reared pups on this product, fed greyhounds in work on it, and the dogs always look great. I DO NOT use any meat with it

[oakway]

It's a pretty good dog food as dog foods go.

I would use it.

My only problem is, I feel it is too high in protein as I also feed meat.

[John Hutchison]

Hi,

I noticed that my post which originally appeared on another website has been re-posted here. I have no objection as it was posted without alteration.

With respect Andisa and Missymoo, XP3020 is a super premium food. If you look the ingredient list together with the guaranteed analysis, this tells you most of what you need to know about any food, provided you have a basic knowledge of ingredient definitions, and remember that the ingredients are listed in descending order for products made in the USA. This product is made in the USA, not Australia as Joblo has stated. (In Australia there are no labelling requirements to list ingredients in descending order).

Let me explain.

The guaranteed analysis shows 30% protein, 20% fat, 3% fibre.

XP3020 uses chicken and egg as its only protein sources, and chicken fat as its only fat source,and dried beet pulp (which is an excellent source of moderately fermentable fibre) as its only fibre source, which is what you want from a super premium food.

Any ingredient listed below chicken fat will be less than 20%, and any ingredient listed above chicken fat will be more than 20%. Any ingredient listed below dried beet pulp will be less than 3%, and any listed between dried beet pulp and chicken fat will be between 3% and 20%.

So using this as a basis we can see that chicken meal will provide about 28-29% of the protein in the food, and egg about 1 - 2% of the protein. So the protein in this food comes from the meat and egg sources, NOT poorer quality cereal sources. Using meat protein is one of the things that makes a super premium food differ from lessor quality foods.

The fat in the food is chicken fat, which is a quality fat, with a lower melting point than say beef tallow and is easily digested by the dog.

The carbohydrate sources are corn and oats, both of which are excellent sources of energy. It is important to remember that some foods include cereals as a source of protein, eg corn gluten meal, soybean meal. XP3020 uses cereal as a carbohydrate source only.

XP3020 also includes Glucosamine and Chondroitin which have been shown to be particularly helpful in managing joints in humans and dogs. These work far better when used in conjunction with one another than they do when used solo.

The inclusion of Fruit, berries, and herbs in this food is a big bonus, as these ingredients provide natural anti-oxidants and give the food an holistic approach to feeding.

So the overall formulation of this food, in my opinion, is excellent.

BY THE WAY

As Stormie has quite correctly pointed out, some manufacturers use wet ingedients (like "fresh Chicken) to make it appear that the food has plenty of meat in it. But fresh chicken is 80% water, so if it was number one ingredient in the above formulation for example, there would only be 6% protein as the rest would be water. AND LET ME ADD - you will surprised at the number of foods on the market which do this to make foods appear better than they really are.

Ingredient splitting is another way manufacturers make appealing ingredients appear higher up the list. Beware of products that have similar ingredients in them but using a different name or more than two sources of carbohydrate.

PROTEIN AND FAT PERCENTAGES.

For years I have heard owners say "too much protein" "too high in fat" about different foods.

Please remember this. Dogs eat grams of food, not percentages. You can only determine the amount of protein and fat being consumed by your dog when you take into account the amount of food you need to feed the dog. Premium foods, in general, are MUCH higher in metablisable energy then other foods. What this means is they are more concentrated, are higher in digestibility (which is why the dogs have smaller motions) or to put it another way, the dog gets more out of each gram it eats.

SO YOU ACTUALLY FEED LESS OF THESE FOODS THAN YOU DO OF LESSOR QUALITY FOODS. THEREFOR THE DOG ACTUALLY MAY EAT LESS PROTEIN AND FAT THAN IT WOULD ON A POORER QUALITY FOOD.

For Example - XP3020 would have a Metabolisable Energy (ME) of about 4350 kcals per kg.

So if a dog requires 1000 kcals per day it will eat 230 grams of food - result - it eats 69 grams of protein and 46 grams of fat.

Compare this with a food of 22% protein 14% fat which has an ME of say 3000 kcals per kg

The same dog will eat 333 grams of food to meet its energy requirement and therefor will eat 73 grams of protein and 47 grams of fat.

SO WHICH IS THE LOWER PROTEIN AND FAT FOOD - the one with the higher percentages.

And why is this the case - higher quality ingredients and higher Digestibility means you feed less food BECAUSE IT IS BETTER QUALITY.

I am sorry that this post is lengthy, but nutrition is a complex subject. I am delighted that everyone who has contributed to this topic has done so because they have an interest in feeding their dog well.

There are many ways to feed a dog well, and I hope this helps you make a sound decision when determining how best to feed you dog.

[luvsdogs]

I try to avoid foods with corn, wheat & beet pulp all sources of allergy from what I've researched. As soon as I saw corn as the 2nd ingredient, no way would I buy it.

[Andisa]

With respect Andisa and Missymoo, XP3020 is a super premium food. If you look the ingredient list together with the guaranteed analysis, this tells you most of what you need to know about any food, provided you have a basic knowledge of ingredient definitions, and remember that the ingredients are listed in descending order for products made in the USA. This product is made in the USA, not Australia as Joblo has stated. (In Australia there are no labelling requirements to list ingredients in descending order).

Thanks for the explanation however it still does not convince me that it is a super premium dog food. I am sure many will have good results with it but I won't be using it. :)

[oakway]

I see no reason why this food could not be used successfully.

Always remember you feed a dog what it does well on, until you try a food you will never know.

I have very young dogs at the moment and I am doing my best to keep the protein down for growth reasons.

I do believe what we feed our dogs does have an effect on the growth rate, but it does not mean they could not go onto it at a later date.

They are only 3 to 4 months and I really don't want an Italian Greyhound the size of a Whippet.

I remember when the first premium food came into the country and it to was treated with suspicion, but after proving itself it is now a household name in the dog world.

I will be keeping an eye out for this product and I will give it a try with the adults and see what results it gives me.

Please don’t keep a closed mind over a new products, just because another didn’t work for you, does not mean this will not.

Also, I have no connection with this product.

I didn’t even know of it’s existence till it appeared on this forum.

[Guest lavendergirl]

It looks OK but I would avoid due to the position of corn in the ingredient list and the presence of beet pulp which I think contributes to tear staining. Also it is not made in Australia but the US and we have plenty of other premium kibbles imported to choose from :)

[oakway]

It looks OK but I would avoid due to the position of corn in the ingredient list and the presence of beet pulp which I think contributes to tear staining. Also it is not made in Australia but the US and we have plenty of other premium kibbles imported to choose from :)

Yes but some of them are to dam dear and every penny counts these days. :)