Alyosha Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Rear ones aren't common in my breed (who are pretty different physically to Poms I know! :laugh: ). But if they appeared in my pups I would have them removed when we have the front ones done at a few days old. We take ours off as they are prone to nasty injuries - big dogs, moving at high speed etc. But if I had little dogs, especially coated ones, I would still take them off to prevent injury and/or grooming issues later on. I hope all goes well for your little tyke! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I have known of the odd breeder to miss the back ones How? Do breeders not check every square inch of new born puppies? Count fingers & toes? check under tail ? make sure legs are glued on tight? check suction pressure in mouth , and amount of insulation around the inner workings? :) Mainly new breeders that do not even realise that rear dew claws exist, that they need to look for them or sometimes they don't realise that 5 toes on the back is not normal. If they are tucked in on a coated breed you need to look for them. Sometimes there is only one puppy in a litter with one back dew claw, so it can be overlooked. Also I have a breed that tends to whelp very naturally with minimal interference and the bitches have a very strong maternal instinct, preferring that their babies are not disturbed. If all goes well you just sit back and watch and take notes until they are finished. So we often just quickly check sex and markings as they are born and weigh them by putting the scales in the whelping box when we get a chance. If you lift a puppy out of the box the mum will dive out after it and try to grab it back. Most breeders get a post whelping vet check but some don't bother so the babies are only handled for essential checks and weigh ins until they are several days old and the mum has relaxed a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I personally wouldn't take it as a sign of anything bad on behalf of the breeder of a pup had rear dewclaws left on. And from what minimiss says it sounds like Poms regularly do have them. Having said that I would still probably go ahead with having them removed during desexing, I think general anasthetic is more of a risk than the actual removal so I'd do it while they're already under for desexing rather than risk an injury down the track. Let us know what the breeder says though mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimiss Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 dancinbcs the breeder has been breeding / showing since the early 70s so I would presume she'd know what to look for :) ( one would hope after that amount of time anyway :laugh: ) I have a feeling based on what I read that it isn't a huge problem for Pomeranians so long as they're maintained.. Which sounds like a lot of hard work, my puppy is so wriggly there is no way I could try to clip his claws every week I haven't received a response from her yet, but going from past correspondence it takes 1-2 days to hear anything. It'll be interesting to see what she's done previously. Definitely going to get them removed, I'm just concerned that it would hurt him once the anaesthetic wears off. I feel much more confident from the answers on here about this decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Hmm, I assume it was an oversight as the breeder herself is fantastic, and there are so many wonderful things about her (on DOL and off). They're such tiny little claws, but the Vet said that they have the potential of ingrowing, and since they're not really attached, they could catch on carpet etc. I might email her anyway seeking advice in the removal and ask what she has usually done or suggested in the past.. I don't want to accuse her of puppy sabotage but at least that way will prompt her to inform me of what she's done in the past and that she's forgotten about little Benny!! :laugh: ETA slight grammar fail! I would just let the breeder know that she missed them and that you will have them removed when he is desexed. Maybe she has never had them before but the vet should have noticed them at the after whelping check. In my experience they are a dominant trait so one parent had be born with them for the puppies to have them. Maybe she used an outside stud dog this time but she needs to know to look for rear dew claws in every litter. All breeds are born with front dew claws and most have some with back dew claws. In some breeds they are all removed and in others just the back ones are removed, except for those few breeds that require them in the breed standard. I have known of the odd breeder to miss the back ones but it is pretty rare because it is something most breeders check for as routine when puppies are born. Hi, this case was refered ( one puppy with one rear dew claw) to an overseas breeder and the reply was unheard of. Just my luck I suppose. It would never dawn on me to look for rear dew claws. This is the first I have had in over 40 years of breeding and neither parent had rear dew claws and neither did any of their parents. Where it has come from is a mystery. I suppose a rear dew claw is the least of anyones problems. :) Oh yes, and by the way it was on the pick puppy. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 No idea if they're common in Poms or not but I would guess so from what your research has turned up. I have a short coated breed and ALWAYS check, even though I've never found one in 30+ years! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) Boy, have I learned a lesson, I'll be looking in future. :laugh: Edited February 13, 2012 by oakway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimiss Posted February 12, 2012 Author Share Posted February 12, 2012 I received an email back from the breeder about the dew claws... So as I saw on google it appears it isn't such a big issue with this breed. She wrote: "Removing dew claws is optional. It doesn't hurt them and some of mine still have them. Many are born without the rear dew claws." I do think I'll be having them removed though. Especially if the process doesn't hurt. It seems like there would be more issues if the dewclaws remained and one was torn or injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Glad you heard back from the breeder .. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvsdogs Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 When I bought my 1st border collie from a breeder friend she still had her dew claws. He told me he would remove them b4 picking her up but forgot. I had them removed when she was desexed. They were a bit messy for a few days but healed up ok. There were a couple of mini long haired dachshunds at an obedience club I used to go to with their dew claws attached. They looked very floppy & close to the ground. If they were my dogs I would have had them removed. It always worried me that the would get torn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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