Pheebs Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Hey don't laugh I had a pomeranian attached to my boob once ... little bugger swung up and latched on, growling and thrashing. Then got me on the hand too. Those little one's bite like a rabid ferret I wouldn't be game either :laugh: :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Hey don't laugh I had a pomeranian attached to my boob once ... little bugger swung up and latched on, growling and thrashing. Then got me on the hand too. Those little one's bite like a rabid ferret I wouldn't be game either The mental imagery!! :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel's Mate Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Ahh I see you are in SA. May I recommend you contact Mark Singer: www.caninetraining.com.au If anyone in our state can help you, he can. My mum had a visit from Mark Singer and said it was fantastic. He even has a group session each sunday to socialise dogs (under his strict supervision). So I second Mark Singer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Ahh I see you are in SA. May I recommend you contact Mark Singer: www.caninetraining.com.au If anyone in our state can help you, he can. My mum had a visit from Mark Singer and said it was fantastic. He even has a group session each sunday to socialise dogs (under his strict supervision). So I second Mark Singer! I think you would be about 'sixthing' Mark Singer at this stage. He sure has made a reputation in S.A. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 My advice? Rehome both dogs. If they are not able to be safely rehomed, pts. Then don't get another dog again, ever. And get some help for your anger management problem before you hurt someone. +1 Harsh. The person had a situation with the dogs & did the wrong thing. Not everyone is perfect & knows everything & the right & wrong way to handle it is variable according to whose opinion is given. Even trainers & behaviourists vary in their methods. One thing is obvious these dogs have to be living seperately. This is possible. When done with common sense lots of animals live apart in homes. Cats & birds, dogs & rabbits, dogs & chickens, cats & fish etc. Not all animals are good with each other & these 2 dogs are not either. It does sound like he will work something out so both dogs are safe & kept alive. He came on here for some support & advice & he sure has got some that makes me go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinsella Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Harsh but realistic. The environment these dogs have lived in makes them hard work for rehousing. OP admits he came here looking for sympathy. I have a lot - just not for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) My advice? Rehome both dogs. If they are not able to be safely rehomed, pts. Then don't get another dog again, ever. And get some help for your anger management problem before you hurt someone. +1 Harsh. The person had a situation with the dogs & did the wrong thing. Not everyone is perfect & knows everything & the right & wrong way to handle it is variable according to whose opinion is given. Even trainers & behaviourists vary in their methods. One thing is obvious these dogs have to be living seperately. This is possible. When done with common sense lots of animals live apart in homes. Cats & birds, dogs & rabbits, dogs & chickens, cats & fish etc. Not all animals are good with each other & these 2 dogs are not either. It does sound like he will work something out so both dogs are safe & kept alive. He came on here for some support & advice & he sure has got some that makes me go you get my vote. heaps of good sense here hope the OP hasnt given up. and not comming back. how dare so many presume to judge this man. he asked for help not character assination Edited February 7, 2012 by asal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♪♫LMBC♫♪ Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 My advice? Rehome both dogs. If they are not able to be safely rehomed, pts. Then don't get another dog again, ever. And get some help for your anger management problem before you hurt someone. +1 Harsh. The person had a situation with the dogs & did the wrong thing. Not everyone is perfect & knows everything & the right & wrong way to handle it is variable according to whose opinion is given. Even trainers & behaviourists vary in their methods. One thing is obvious these dogs have to be living seperately. This is possible. When done with common sense lots of animals live apart in homes. Cats & birds, dogs & rabbits, dogs & chickens, cats & fish etc. Not all animals are good with each other & these 2 dogs are not either. It does sound like he will work something out so both dogs are safe & kept alive. He came on here for some support & advice & he sure has got some that makes me go you get my vote. heaps of good sense here hope the OP hasnt given up. and not comming back. how dare so many presume to judge this man. he asked for help not character assination A person who has such an anger issue that he flies of the handle completely and has a violent tantrum all over his dogs exhibiting natural behaviours, is not someone IMO who should be responsible for caring for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 My advice? Rehome both dogs. If they are not able to be safely rehomed, pts. Then don't get another dog again, ever. And get some help for your anger management problem before you hurt someone. +1 Harsh. The person had a situation with the dogs & did the wrong thing. Not everyone is perfect & knows everything & the right & wrong way to handle it is variable according to whose opinion is given. Even trainers & behaviourists vary in their methods. One thing is obvious these dogs have to be living seperately. This is possible. When done with common sense lots of animals live apart in homes. Cats & birds, dogs & rabbits, dogs & chickens, cats & fish etc. Not all animals are good with each other & these 2 dogs are not either. It does sound like he will work something out so both dogs are safe & kept alive. He came on here for some support & advice & he sure has got some that makes me go you get my vote. heaps of good sense here hope the OP hasnt given up. and not comming back. how dare so many presume to judge this man. he asked for help not character assination A person who has such an anger issue that he flies of the handle completely and has a violent tantrum all over his dogs exhibiting natural behaviours, is not someone IMO who should be responsible for caring for anything. Sounded to me like he was stressed about the fighting between the dogs and lost it. A mistake yes, but hardly something we aren't all capable of, unless you never get angry and make mistakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 A person who has such an anger issue that he flies of the handle completely and has a violent tantrum all over his dogs exhibiting natural behaviours, is not someone IMO who should be responsible for caring for anything. What a load of total claptrap. The OP's anger management has been brought up and heavily criticised throughout this thread. Frankly, the way he dealt with his anger/frustration was helluva lot better than other examples I have witnessed on DOL. Many self development/psychological courses suggest that you bash a pillow with a softball bat, have a boxing bout with whatever those big hanging poles that boxing studios have and release anger and frustrations this way. I am simply over-awed at all the calm, collected and totally rational people who have offered advice in this thread and in such calm, collected and totally rational ways. No hint of abuse, no hint of censure, no hint of anger. You are all to be congratulated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♪♫LMBC♫♪ Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) My advice? Rehome both dogs. If they are not able to be safely rehomed, pts. Then don't get another dog again, ever. And get some help for your anger management problem before you hurt someone. +1 Harsh. The person had a situation with the dogs & did the wrong thing. Not everyone is perfect & knows everything & the right & wrong way to handle it is variable according to whose opinion is given. Even trainers & behaviourists vary in their methods. One thing is obvious these dogs have to be living seperately. This is possible. When done with common sense lots of animals live apart in homes. Cats & birds, dogs & rabbits, dogs & chickens, cats & fish etc. Not all animals are good with each other & these 2 dogs are not either. It does sound like he will work something out so both dogs are safe & kept alive. He came on here for some support & advice & he sure has got some that makes me go you get my vote. heaps of good sense here hope the OP hasnt given up. and not comming back. how dare so many presume to judge this man. he asked for help not character assination A person who has such an anger issue that he flies of the handle completely and has a violent tantrum all over his dogs exhibiting natural behaviours, is not someone IMO who should be responsible for caring for anything. Sounded to me like he was stressed about the fighting between the dogs and lost it. A mistake yes, but hardly something we aren't all capable of, unless you never get angry and make mistakes? Of course I get angry, and make mistakes. But I can't say I've ever been angry enough that I've had to deal with it by kicking and punching things and screaming. But I have had the displeasure of witnessing that kind of rage before by someone else and it was pretty scary so I can only imagine how the poor dogs must feel. Edited February 7, 2012 by ♪♫LMBC♫♪ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) My advice? Rehome both dogs. If they are not able to be safely rehomed, pts. Then don't get another dog again, ever. And get some help for your anger management problem before you hurt someone. +1 Harsh. The person had a situation with the dogs & did the wrong thing. Not everyone is perfect & knows everything & the right & wrong way to handle it is variable according to whose opinion is given. Even trainers & behaviourists vary in their methods. One thing is obvious these dogs have to be living seperately. This is possible. When done with common sense lots of animals live apart in homes. Cats & birds, dogs & rabbits, dogs & chickens, cats & fish etc. Not all animals are good with each other & these 2 dogs are not either. It does sound like he will work something out so both dogs are safe & kept alive. He came on here for some support & advice & he sure has got some that makes me go you get my vote. heaps of good sense here hope the OP hasnt given up. and not comming back. how dare so many presume to judge this man. he asked for help not character assination A person who has such an anger issue that he flies of the handle completely and has a violent tantrum all over his dogs exhibiting natural behaviours, is not someone IMO who should be responsible for caring for anything. Sounded to me like he was stressed about the fighting between the dogs and lost it. A mistake yes, but hardly something we aren't all capable of, unless you never get angry and make mistakes? Of course I get angry, and make mistakes. But I can't say I've ever been angry enough that I've had to deal with it by kicking and punching things and screaming. But I have had the displeasure of witnessing that kind of rage before by someone else and it was pretty scary so I can only imagine how the poor dogs must feel. Same here. And when you have it leaves a raw, painful place. Hence my initial outburst at the OP. His actions hit that place. His previous'Gung Ho' rhetoric in his older posts did nothing that enabled me to muster any sympathy for him at that stage either. It was an accident waiting to happen. Also saying that at least he took the dogs to the vets for treatment each time they'd had a fight wasn't going to do it for me either. Only the days that have passed have done that. As I have already stated I truly do hope for a satifactory outcome for these dogs. I can't think what it'll be but hopefully it will be. Edited February 7, 2012 by LizT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheebs Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I'm really eager to hear how the OP got along and any advice he may have been given - it's surely bound to help some newcomers seeking similar suggestions :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal House Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Hopefully Mark Singer can make a thorough assessment and the OP can take the advice onboard and do what his best for both of his dogs. Plenty of people have anger outbursts, no doubt he won't do it again in front of the Neo. None of us can accurately predict what we will do in a stressful situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I'm really eager to hear how the OP got along and any advice he may have been given - it's surely bound to help some newcomers seeking similar suggestions :) I am too. He did say he was going away for a while though. I wonder who gets the task of caring for his dogs while he's gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milly2 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Maybe some muzzles might help The poor guy was probably worried about having more vet bills to pay for, but its really no excuse to go that far, in front of the animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) Maybe some muzzles might help The poor guy was probably worried about having more vet bills to pay for, but its really no excuse to go that far, in front of the animals. had this evil thought of muzzles on the ho so pius ones who never make mistakes and burn so many on this forum at the stake. then wonder why the OP fled never to return, in so many instances remember a lady on one forum who offered a victum a cement shake and flame suit to survive their iniation by these unmuzzled members.... Edited February 7, 2012 by asal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) Perhaps newbies need to be reminded firstly to don Flack or Flame Suits before entering ;) cement shake optional as well as well as directions to where these so necessary items are kept... ie which folder or section to collect them first before posting anything :D Edited February 7, 2012 by asal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Maybe some muzzles might help Great idea :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakti Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Hear, hear! It is depressing to see so many people on here adopt an attitude to newbies that, should their dogs exhibit the same savage unprotected attacks on a new dog would see them declared *Dangerous* How do we protect well-meaning, uneducated newbies from the venomous character assassinations that seem to greet them here more often than not? How do we persuade these newbies to stick around long enough to benefit from the immense wisdom here when their initial forays are met with such ignorant hostility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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