DAVERI Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Sometimes people just AAHHH just been following a topic on another site about a young girl and her pregnant dog. She started out about 3 days ago asking if her "PUPPY" she called her (just a year old) was pregnant. She said she hadn't planned to breed her yet but her male got to her at least 3 times. Next question was when would she be due, then what should she be looking for and when it starts what to do etc. turns out the Ridgeback cross is only days away. Granted good on her for asking questions but some asked her if she didn't want the pups why hadn't she taken the dog to a vet reply she can't aford to take her to a vet, then someone has asked her what she plans to do with the pups reply sell them for $150ea. Someone else has commented that if she wasn't planning on having the litter is she planning on having her desexed reply NO CAUSE SHË's A REALLY NICE DOG AND I PLAN TO GET AT LEAST 2 or 3 MORE LITTERS FROM HER CAUSE I HAVE A FEW FRIENDS THAT WANT PUPS. I just find this so so sad. and wrong on a few levels. Poor girl expected to pop out litter after litter for an owner who can't afford a vet, knows very little and all cause she's a nice dog. Besides 2 or 3 more litters how many friends has she got! Im sure there are plenty of very nice pups at the local shelter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Personally, I'm bored with righteous indignation about BYB practices. This sort of thing has been going on since the concepts of 'purebred' and 'pedigree' took root. Fat chance of getting rid of it. And given the many abuses in show breeding, I think it may be good that a few people, at least, are breeding their 'nice' dogs. If there aren't a few people breeding non show conforming dogs, there's going to be nothing left to recover traits that may be lost through show breeders overemphasising a few phrases that happen to be in a breed standard that was written before much was understood about genetics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffyluv Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Just another reason why mandatory desexing for ALL pets would make this a better world... I don't know how you would police it or make it happen but wouldn't it be great if we could... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roova Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) I think the issues is more the total lack of planning and preparation before someone who supposedly loves their dog, lets it have puppies. They seem to have no idea of potential whelping problems which put their pet in danger and Im sure some think the puppies will be fed by the mother for 8 weeks and therefore cost them nothing. I'll bet the majority put no research into making sure the puppies are going to be healthy and well socialised either. I too think breeding of the family dog will never go away, due to both greed, naivety or ignorance but in most cases the puppies seem to find homes. It's often once they're older they find their way to pounds, probably through lack of training and socialisation than anything wrong with the dog itself. Some people make out back yard bred dogs are going to keel over with every problem under the sun but I don't think that's always the case. I'm sure there's plenty who live their lives as well loved pets although I'm sure a percentage end up with health/genetic problems like purebred dogs do. Everyone wants to complain the general public are ignorant but how do you begin to train a population in dog awareness? Edited January 21, 2012 by Roova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirislin Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 she'll be in for a rude shock if problems arise. I wonder if the bitch has anywhere to whelp, has she been wormed, so many questions and I suspect the answers to all of them are No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdogs Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Personally, I'm bored with righteous indignation about BYB practices. This sort of thing has been going on since the concepts of 'purebred' and 'pedigree' took root. Fat chance of getting rid of it. And given the many abuses in show breeding, I think it may be good that a few people, at least, are breeding their 'nice' dogs. If there aren't a few people breeding non show conforming dogs, there's going to be nothing left to recover traits that may be lost through show breeders overemphasising a few phrases that happen to be in a breed standard that was written before much was understood about genetics. I never expected to see such a controversial statement on this board. However, you express my views perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missymoo Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Soooo what happens if something goes wrong, how does she 'afford' it..did you mention that to her? OHHhhh that wright byb usually never have the trouble and expense registered breeders have..drives me nuts!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 BYB's and puppy farmers they are all tared with the one brush. I always thought this forum was for the promotion of the Pure Bred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roova Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Some backyarders breed 'purebreds' though. I thought this forum was more for promoting ethical and responsible breeding of purebreds? (Although not all registered breeders would be considered ethical or responsible!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Some backyarders breed 'purebreds' though. I thought this forum was more for promoting ethical and responsible breeding of purebreds? (Although not all registered breeders would be considered ethical or responsible!). True, but the honest ones tend to forget about the unethical ones. Thanks for the reminder. Anyway in my mind any ANKC registered breeder that breeds unregistered is no more than a BYB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadbury Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 This is very sad.....BUT has anyone on that Forum offered her any help with the whelping... maybe DAVERI you could ask for local people with a bit of knowledge to help her out. When this girl sees the pups born they will be cute but she needs to know a lot more than cute. If I knew of a local case like this I would offer to help and also teach what is needed to raise these pups. I have done this with a SWF and found homes for all pups....the family realised that the vet bills for post whelp visit 8 week check.vac. worming, were as high as the desexing...so they learned that this litter was a lot to handle and also that it was not easy to raise a litter. They had her desexed as soon as the pups left. I know this is just one case but just think if we each did this for one uninformed person it might just help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 This is very sad.....BUT has anyone on that Forum offered her any help with the whelping... maybe DAVERI you could ask for local people with a bit of knowledge to help her out. When this girl sees the pups born they will be cute but she needs to know a lot more than cute. If I knew of a local case like this I would offer to help and also teach what is needed to raise these pups. I have done this with a SWF and found homes for all pups....the family realised that the vet bills for post whelp visit 8 week check.vac. worming, were as high as the desexing...so they learned that this litter was a lot to handle and also that it was not easy to raise a litter. They had her desexed as soon as the pups left. I know this is just one case but just think if we each did this for one uninformed person it might just help Sorry I don't help Byb's. If she has a peoblem tell them to take to the vet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffyluv Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 This is very sad.....BUT has anyone on that Forum offered her any help with the whelping... maybe DAVERI you could ask for local people with a bit of knowledge to help her out. When this girl sees the pups born they will be cute but she needs to know a lot more than cute. If I knew of a local case like this I would offer to help and also teach what is needed to raise these pups. I have done this with a SWF and found homes for all pups....the family realised that the vet bills for post whelp visit 8 week check.vac. worming, were as high as the desexing...so they learned that this litter was a lot to handle and also that it was not easy to raise a litter. They had her desexed as soon as the pups left. I know this is just one case but just think if we each did this for one uninformed person it might just help Sorry I don't help Byb's. If she has a peoblem tell them to take to the vet. Sadly by the time that she (assuming she really does not know anything) realises there is a problem, it could be to late for the bitch and or the pups... As much as I hate this practice, I still think the best approach is education... Teach people of the problems that can and do arise, the issues with dealing with puppies, microchipping, vaccs, worming... This forum might be aimed at the pedigree and purebred breeders but it has already taught so many others (including myself) what is in the best interest of ALL dogs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Her Majesty Dogmad Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Nothing wrong with righteous indignation when something is SO WRONG. I will continue to rail against these morons that cause so much suffering and I speak from experience. It's all so easy to forget about the suffering and death of over 150,000 unwanted dogs each year really .... I hope to God her dog doesn't need a Caesar - even the suffering of 1 dog and it's puppies bothers me and it's because it doesn't bother everyone else that we will continue to have the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corrie Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Personally, I'm bored with righteous indignation about BYB practices. This sort of thing has been going on since the concepts of 'purebred' and 'pedigree' took root. Fat chance of getting rid of it. And given the many abuses in show breeding, I think it may be good that a few people, at least, are breeding their 'nice' dogs. If there aren't a few people breeding non show conforming dogs, there's going to be nothing left to recover traits that may be lost through show breeders overemphasising a few phrases that happen to be in a breed standard that was written before much was understood about genetics. Yeah. Lucky ....cos there sure arn't enough of those cross breed 'nice dogs' getting PTS in our pounds everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
german_shep_fan Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Personally, I'm bored with righteous indignation about BYB practices. This sort of thing has been going on since the concepts of 'purebred' and 'pedigree' took root. Fat chance of getting rid of it. And given the many abuses in show breeding, I think it may be good that a few people, at least, are breeding their 'nice' dogs. If there aren't a few people breeding non show conforming dogs, there's going to be nothing left to recover traits that may be lost through show breeders overemphasising a few phrases that happen to be in a breed standard that was written before much was understood about genetics. I never expected to see such a controversial statement on this board. However, you express my views perfectly. Yes +1! You have my breed down pat as far as i am concerned :laugh: Apart from a few select breeders who dare to stay true to the standard the only place you find a decent dog these days is "byb". Its funny the range of practices here that are considered byb. So you can health test, be registered with ANKC but if the litter aint reg you are still a byb? :laugh: I would take that any day over all these puppy farms that are being discovered First "byb good for nothing mongrel" shepherd died of old age at 15. Damn her non registered breeders for selling us a healthy and long lived family member :rolleyes: However, in saying all that, i think saying i won't help as they are a byb is the wrong attitude. Education is the key and i hope there is someone she knows who can inform her of the costs and the hard work both her and the bitch will have to go through, as well as the potential to lose the litter as well as the bitch if things go wrong. A risk all breeders take. Hopefully if she sees things in perspective she might think twice in the future. Though it is likely she will not. Edited January 21, 2012 by german_shep_fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic.B Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I agree this is wrong, wrong, wrong. How on earth is she going to raise the puppies even cost wise if she cant afford a vet? I have only whelped one litter (Mum impounded) and it cost me a minimum of $400 each puppy just to feed and worm them. Then there was their vetwork on top once they were 12 weeks old. The work put into mum and bubs was incredible and a full time job to say the very least. I was exhausted. I was very lucky Floss free whelped and the puppies thrived/were very robust and healthy, though our vet was on standby regardless, at any sign of trouble in 12 weeks the cost would have gone through the roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corrie Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Personally, I'm bored with righteous indignation about BYB practices. This sort of thing has been going on since the concepts of 'purebred' and 'pedigree' took root. Fat chance of getting rid of it. And given the many abuses in show breeding, I think it may be good that a few people, at least, are breeding their 'nice' dogs. If there aren't a few people breeding non show conforming dogs, there's going to be nothing left to recover traits that may be lost through show breeders overemphasising a few phrases that happen to be in a breed standard that was written before much was understood about genetics. I never expected to see such a controversial statement on this board. However, you express my views perfectly. Yes +1! You have my breed down pat as far as i am concerned :laugh: Apart from a few select breeders who dare to stay true to the standard the only place you find a decent dog these days is "byb". Its funny the range of practices here that are considered byb. So you can health test, be registered with ANKC but if the litter aint reg you are still a byb? :laugh: I would take that any day over all these puppy farms that are being discovered First "byb good for nothing mongrel" shepherd died of old age at 15. Damn her non registered breeders for selling us a healthy and long lived family member :rolleyes: I really don't understand this point of view. The problem is that there are not just "a few" people doing this. It is rife. The fact is BYB will never stop. I don't think anyone disputes that but make it more socially unacceptable and minimise it as much as possible. I only have mutts, probably always will but I sure as hell would not be lining the pockets of a BYB or puppy farm for them and I certainly don't think anyone should be worried about a shortage of BYB mutts anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
german_shep_fan Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) Personally, I'm bored with righteous indignation about BYB practices. This sort of thing has been going on since the concepts of 'purebred' and 'pedigree' took root. Fat chance of getting rid of it. And given the many abuses in show breeding, I think it may be good that a few people, at least, are breeding their 'nice' dogs. If there aren't a few people breeding non show conforming dogs, there's going to be nothing left to recover traits that may be lost through show breeders overemphasising a few phrases that happen to be in a breed standard that was written before much was understood about genetics. I never expected to see such a controversial statement on this board. However, you express my views perfectly. Yes +1! You have my breed down pat as far as i am concerned :laugh: Apart from a few select breeders who dare to stay true to the standard the only place you find a decent dog these days is "byb". Its funny the range of practices here that are considered byb. So you can health test, be registered with ANKC but if the litter aint reg you are still a byb? :laugh: I would take that any day over all these puppy farms that are being discovered First "byb good for nothing mongrel" shepherd died of old age at 15. Damn her non registered breeders for selling us a healthy and long lived family member :rolleyes: I really don't understand this point of view. The problem is that there are not just "a few" people doing this. It is rife. The fact is BYB will never stop. I don't think anyone disputes that but make it more socially unacceptable and minimise it as much as possible. I only have mutts, probably always will but I sure as hell would not be lining the pockets of a BYB or puppy farm for them and I certainly don't think anyone should be worried about a shortage of BYB mutts anytime soon. I agree, there are alot of byb, i only know a handful of doggy friends who have actually bought from registered breeders. The rest have been purchased from the pound or unregisetered, hence byb dogs. I guess for me personally, it is more the fact that i have had bad experiences with club with my breed and don't agree with what most reg breeders in my breed are doing. hence i find a breeder who still does health tests ect but does not show hence they are unregisted. This is how i find a dog that i believe is true to my breed. You see the thing is, i think public perception must change for byb to be seen by many as socially unacceptable. The attitude of most ppl i know is that pedigree dogs are overpriced and when you only want the dog as a family pet and not showing/breeding then the papers are not worth much to these ppl. I think it is also still a common point of view(dispite the good efforts of breeders) that the more pedigreed a dog is the more health problems they may have. So when they can pay in some cases $1000 dollars less they will, as many simply cannot afford 1500+ for the breed they want. I am not saying this is personally what i think, it is the thinking tho of my little group at our daily hangout :laugh: Just curious, if you have mutts where did they come from? The pound? Where did they come from before that? Most reg breeders will not breed mutts. Edit: To say, very sorry, thought you were replying to me. So sorry if you were not as you got my opinion instead :laugh: Edited January 22, 2012 by german_shep_fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusky Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 not sure where she lives but honestly you should foget your indignation and try education. At risk here is a poor bloody dog who didn't ask to be brought into this world. I wonder if there might be a rescue who would offer to take her and raise the puppies..desex them and her and give the Mum back with some education. Safe Perth have done this many times...sometimes the Mum dog does go back to an enlightened owner and other times they elect to leave the Mum in rescue. It is hard to find foster carers but maybe someone could just try to help her. Sorry but sometimes I think some of you guys are incredibly hard hearted..this is not really about the owner...I want to bitch slap her but that would only help me feel better. This now is about the poor dog who probably hasn't even been wormed let alone all the other care she should have had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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