bianca.a Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 My now 13 1/2 week old GSD pup had his first vaccine C4 at the breeders at nearly 8 weeks. So on Monday I took him for his Canigen DHA2P (distemper, hepatitis and parvo) and KC. Monday night he was quiet (not at all like him) vomited a few times and had diarrhea. Tuesday one more vomit and still liquid diarrhea. He is fine within himself now, stools still not great. I have had him on boiled chicken/rice and have added Scourban and probiotics. Took a stool sample in for testing and the vet called this afternoon to say the test was clear. He thinks he had a reaction to the vac's. He has been in touch with Virbac but they think it is an individual reaction so are not going to recall those batches. Fair enough. But Cooper is due for another KC in a month. I really don't want to risk vaccinating again so am thinking titer tests from now on. I have tried to understand all the information out there (Dr Dodds etc) but am confused. I *think* if he had had these vac's at 16 weeks he *should* be OK? But he had them at 12 weeks. Does anyone have any knowledge or advice please? I do not want my puppy to get sick from not vaccinating but also do not want to risk worse reactions from giving him another one. Thank you in advance for any help :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumabaar Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Titre testing would be my first call. I only do the two vacs with my pups then titre at 12 mths. So far have not needed a booster :) The article in this discussion indicated 12 weeks was old enough for protection:) http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/232169-article-on-vaccination/ Edited January 20, 2012 by Jumabaar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianca.a Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 Thank you so much for all those references :) I really appreciate it. I just want to do the best for my pup and it is all so confusing. My girl is due for her vac's next month so I will arrange titer tests for her (and go broke in the process!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karly101 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 He really does need a repeat to be protected for the canine cough component but that should be enough for the C3. Another option is to try a different brand of vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everythings Shiny Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Alert your vet to the reaction. There is an injection we give to sensitive patients that can stop reactions to the vaccine. We've had a few react to that brand as well and have since changed brands. I'd look at the nasal Kennel cough from Protech - we've yet to have a bad reaction with it yet :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) I *think* if he had had these vac's at 16 weeks he *should* be OK? But he had them at 12 weeks. Does anyone have any knowledge or advice please? I do not want my puppy to get sick from not vaccinating but also do not want to risk worse reactions from giving him another one. Thank you in advance for any help :) My boy had his second vacc at about 13 weeks. At around the time for an annual booster I found out via a discussion with Dr Jean Dodds that if his second vacc had been at 16 weeks, no more vaccinations would be advocated. But seeing as this was not the case, the suggestion was that I went for the 12 month booster. As it turned out, my boy was having problems (with digestion; thyroid; and whatever) and so I titred instead of going for the suggested booster. Titre test results (even one year after his second & last puppy vacc) showed the presence of sufficient level antibodies, confirming sero-conversion so I didn't proceed with the booster shot. I don't vaccinate for Canine Cough. He's contracted it on two different occasions - both times has been very very mild and recovered well with a bit of tlc and Manuka Honey. This is not "advice" per se .... but more to give you some reassurance that all things might be ok. If it were me, I'd do a titre now and see what it reveals. Edited January 21, 2012 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I would not give him the KC booster. It is usually the KC part of the vaccine they react to. I have only ever given C3 to all my dogs for the last 20 years since one of my dogs reacted very badly to a C5. He then got KC a couple of months later anyway. The only time I have used a KC vaccine since then I used the nasal spray on a couple of dogs that needed becaue we were travelling and thought we may have to kennel them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyosha Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 You also need to report the reaction to the APVMA here: http://www.apvma.gov.au/use_safely/adverse/veterinary.php Everythings Shiny your clinic should do this as well, there could be an issue with this vaccine or a batch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest english.ivy Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I did the 12 and 16 week vacc, both without KC and then the 12 month booster with KC. And will titre from now on. Ivy was vacc for KC as a puppy and caught KC. She was off colour for a day but with rest and a vet check, she was fine in 48 hours. She hasn't been vacc since October 2009 [only because she had to go to a boarding kennel] and I don't plan on ever doing her again. Badger either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 He really does need a repeat to be protected for the canine cough component but that should be enough for the C3. Another option is to try a different brand of vaccine. there is no need to do kennel cough unless you are going to be boarding the dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karly101 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 He really does need a repeat to be protected for the canine cough component but that should be enough for the C3. Another option is to try a different brand of vaccine. there is no need to do kennel cough unless you are going to be boarding the dog. Many obedience clubs also require it, I prefer to do it myself as I'd rather they have some protection from it. I've had vaccinated dogs get canine cough but it tends not to be as severe as I have seen it in unvaccinated dogs. That is just what works for me though, I've never had a dog that has had a bad vaccine reaction. I don't use the Virbac vaccinations though as I know a few vets who don't like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumabaar Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Thank you so much for all those references :) I really appreciate it. I just want to do the best for my pup and it is all so confusing. My girl is due for her vac's next month so I will arrange titer tests for her (and go broke in the process!). I was charged the same for the titre test as I was for a vaccination- well within spitting distance so don't be tooooo worried about the price. I agree about the KC too- don't bother unless you really have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianca.a Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 Thank you all so much for your input, I really do appreciate it :) I am going to pass on the KC and will titer at 12 months (I think!). I am not planning on having to board him at any stage, so hopefully it won't be an issue. I just sent his paperwork off to the training club so hopefully will be OK with the 2 vac's he has already had. From memory, when I inquired about titer costs last year for Molly, I *think* it was around $180 each??? Will check on Monday as I need to get hers done.(and they were sent off to the UK). His poop is almost black in colour today with some form but still mushy Thank you again :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianca.a Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 You also need to report the reaction to the APVMA here: http://www.apvma.gov.au/use_safely/adverse/veterinary.php Everythings Shiny your clinic should do this as well, there could be an issue with this vaccine or a batch. My vet has notified Virbac, and they said apparently that his reaction is more than likely an individual response and they do not feel that there is reason to recall the batch. So do I still need to report as above? Thank you :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Thank you all so much for your input, I really do appreciate it :) I am going to pass on the KC and will titer at 12 months (I think!). Although I'm pleased that one year on, my boy's titre showed positive for sufficient antibodies proving sero-conversion, from what I have read and understand, if it showed nothing, that does not mean that sero-conversion has not taken place. It is possible that sero-conversion had taken place but that the antibody "make-up" had receded to "cell memory" - not floating around the body so to speak, but the body ready and able to rev them up and get them out there should exposure to the disease/s occur. So, for the sake of proving and therefore ensuring sero-conversion, I believe the accepted Titre period is 2 weeks after the last vaccination. Or, if that period has already expired, then as soon as possible thereafter. Again - this is my understanding of it that I have developed from things I've read here and elsewhere. Personally, I think your decision to waiver on the Canine Cough vaccine is a wise one. Edited January 21, 2012 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumabaar Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Thank you all so much for your input, I really do appreciate it :) I am going to pass on the KC and will titer at 12 months (I think!). I am not planning on having to board him at any stage, so hopefully it won't be an issue. I just sent his paperwork off to the training club so hopefully will be OK with the 2 vac's he has already had. From memory, when I inquired about titer costs last year for Molly, I *think* it was around $180 each??? Will check on Monday as I need to get hers done.(and they were sent off to the UK). His poop is almost black in colour today with some form but still mushy Thank you again :) Ouch- perhaps start a new thread asking where people get their dogs titred. I pay $80 (+consult) I think for the bloods to be taken and shipped to WA with a turn around of a couple of days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianca.a Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 Thank you all so much for your input, I really do appreciate it :) I am going to pass on the KC and will titer at 12 months (I think!). I am not planning on having to board him at any stage, so hopefully it won't be an issue. I just sent his paperwork off to the training club so hopefully will be OK with the 2 vac's he has already had. From memory, when I inquired about titer costs last year for Molly, I *think* it was around $180 each??? Will check on Monday as I need to get hers done.(and they were sent off to the UK). His poop is almost black in colour today with some form but still mushy Thank you again :) Ouch- perhaps start a new thread asking where people get their dogs titred. I pay $80 (+consult) I think for the bloods to be taken and shipped to WA with a turn around of a couple of days. Yes ouchie! Thank you, that is a good idea. I will check with my vet on Monday and go from there! Iknow at the time I couldn't believe the price I was quoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianca.a Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 Thank you all so much for your input, I really do appreciate it :) I am going to pass on the KC and will titer at 12 months (I think!). Although I'm pleased that one year on, my boy's titre showed positive for sufficient antibodies proving sero-conversion, from what I have read and understand, if it showed nothing, that does not mean that sero-conversion has not taken place. It is possible that sero-conversion had taken place but that the antibody "make-up" had receded to "cell memory" - not floating around the body so to speak, but the body ready and able to rev them up and get them out there should exposure to the disease/s occur. So, for the sake of proving and therefore ensuring sero-conversion, I believe the accepted Titre period is 2 weeks after the last vaccination. Or, if that period has already expired, then as soon as possible thereafter. Again - this is my understanding of it that I have developed from things I've read here and elsewhere. Personally, I think your decision to waiver on the Canine Cough vaccine is a wise one. Thank you Erny :) It's all way too complicated for my lil brain! I will ask the vet on Monday about the time frame. I do trust him, he is supportive of my choices re, raw feeding etc. Sometimes I almost wish I stayed in the past where with my previous dogs I just accepted the conventional way of thinking re food and vaccines etc! It seemed so much less confusing then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
becks Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 with rabies, we titre one month after vaccination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianca.a Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 Thank you becks :) So if I titer in the next few weeks, does that mean I need to repeat it in a years times? I'm so confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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