Puppy Farmers Attack Cruelty...

[Rozzie]

Good

[Sheridan]

:D

Build a bridge.

GONE FISHING

Sadly, Tralee appears to having continuing issues with those who disagree on any topic.

[Maddy]

:D

Build a bridge.

GONE FISHING

Sadly, Tralee appears to having continuing issues with those who disagree on any topic.

And apparently turned yet another topic into a "look at moi" party.

Getting back on topic.. Steve, they did actually say how many staff they employ and there's just no way dogs could be getting the care they need. They may well pass RSPCA inspection but is that an indication of quality? I doubt it. Guidelines need to reflect modern understanding of canine health and behaviour- Tasmanian laws relating to dogs are prehistoric, at best.

[Steve]

:D

Build a bridge.

GONE FISHING

Sadly, Tralee appears to having continuing issues with those who disagree on any topic.

And apparently turned yet another topic into a "look at moi" party.

Getting back on topic.. Steve, they did actually say how many staff they employ and there's just no way dogs could be getting the care they need. They may well pass RSPCA inspection but is that an indication of quality? I doubt it. Guidelines need to reflect modern understanding of canine health and behaviour- Tasmanian laws relating to dogs are prehistoric, at best.

I agree with you but the point is they believe they are the good guys and so do the media and the government and the majority of the public. When we present what we want to eliminate - puppy farms most here seem to mean large scale commercial farms but that isn't what it gets translated to.

If any of us believe that it isnt in a dogs best interest to live in a commercial breeding establishment which complies with laws and regs then we need to be very clear about that which we are against as when it comes down to doing something about it that in the eyes of the real world, media and government that isn't puppy farming. All we see is more and more laws which advantage large scale breeders and disadvantage those who only want a litter now and then.

No one or no group is protesting against large scale commercial breeding of dogs which are kept inside the regs and laws - even though they may think they are - they are protesting about puppy farming. We may all think that is the same thing but they are two vastly different things when it is time to regulate and outlaw something. Until we deal with this the end result is what we see here - legitimacy for commercial breeders who have the codes and regs under their belts and holding a commercial breeder up as a role model.

Agitating against puppy farming gives commercial breeders with a piece of paper more legitimacy and it happening everywhere - in effect the end result is there is a higher demand for their product generated by a government who gives them a tick .

[toy*dog]

Agitating against puppy farming gives commercial breeders with a piece of paper more legitimacy and it happening everywhere - in effect the end result is there is a higher demand for their product generated by a government who gives them a tick .

yes i saw that in a government website, they said something in effect to; if you are looking for a puppy go to a breeder who is registered and given approval by RSPCA. ie. a large commercial breeder.

when i was communicating with the animal rights people, don't now because they started to look at my family as the bad guys as these animal rights ppl don't trust anyone who breeds a litter of pups or hobby breeders who breed in very small numbers. but when i was communicating with them, i was trying to tell them about the way the dogs were being bred not to concentrate solely on if they are a large commercial breeder they are mistreating their animals.

i was then told to shut up and i didn't know what i was talking about, meanwhile i've done a bit of fostering and rescuing myself for many years. they were saying things about vets and about the breeding side that weren't ringing true so i'd say something about it that it wasn't right and then i got told again to shut up.

so in essence the ppl that are running these groups are not experienced enough in my opinion to be giving advice about the breeding side and that is the most important thing because you can't really say now about large commercial breeders=puppy farmer=evil mistreater of animals particularly when they have rules and regs to comply to from RSPCA and the govt.

what my angle was about was the breeding side, care on grooming long coated breeds, socialisation and choosing the best sires and dams when there are so many and not all get to spend time with a family so the breeder is familiar with the dogs temp and the whole canine family and health in bloodlines which is non-existant in many large commercial breeding premises particularly hard when you have so many animals to sit down and study each and everyone right back to fifth generation etc. etc. to make sure the pups don't inherit any genetic problems. all this I was quoting on rather than the line of oh they are a large scale commercial breeder=puppy farmer and oh that automatically means they are mistreating their dogs. mob mentality which is a bit dangerous sort of almost like brain washing in my mind.