GeckoTree Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) LOL it mirrors humans. edit missed an L of LOL Edited January 18, 2012 by GeckoTree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) No I havent researched it maybe you can find a real stat about it... mine was just an exaggerated figure.... but if breeders taking temperament into consideration then we should be seeing "aggression" as a genetic trait be close to not common and it is just poorly raised dogs....? The point im trying to make is we rarely put it down to the dog because it rarely is the dogs fault.....I dont think an "aggressive gene" is to blame for a dogs behaviour, you can not pin down a dogs behaviour to a gene... behaviour is influenced by environment not a gene. Edited January 18, 2012 by GussysMum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janba Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) No I havent researched it.... but if breeders taking temperament into consideration then we should be seeing "aggression" as a genetic trait be close to not common and it is just poorly raised dogs....? The point im trying to make is we rarely put it down to the dog because it rarely is the dogs fault.....I dont think an "aggressive gene" is to blame for a dogs behaviour, you can not pin down a dogs behaviour to a gene... behaviour is influenced by environment not a gene. Google the tame foxes in Russia for selection towards non aggression. If non aggression can be selectively bred for it has to have a genetic basis. Your assumption is that every breeder is ethical and takes the dogs good temperament into consideration when planning a mating, but as only about 20% of the dogs in this country are ANKC registered and probably only about the same on other registries (working, greyhound etc)can you guarantee that the breeders of the majority of dogs take temperament into consideration? Edited January 18, 2012 by Janba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 No I havent researched it.... but if breeders taking temperament into consideration then we should be seeing "aggression" as a genetic trait be close to not common and it is just poorly raised dogs....? The point im trying to make is we rarely put it down to the dog because it rarely is the dogs fault.....I dont think an "aggressive gene" is to blame for a dogs behaviour, you can not pin down a dogs behaviour to a gene... behaviour is influenced by environment not a gene. Google the tame foxes in Russia for selection towards non aggression. If non aggression can be selectively bred for it has to have a genetic basis. Your assumption is that every breeder is ethical and takes the dogs good temperament into consideration when planning a mating, but as only about 20% of the dogs in this country are ANKC registered and probably only about the same on other registries (working, greyhound etc)can you guarantee that the breeders of the majority of dogs take temperament into consideration? I saw that doco... its why i would assume the "aggressive gene" was not a real excuse any more because I know temperament is such an important part of breeding the chance of dogs being born with high aggression was not impossible but not as common as just poorly raised dogs... I think the OP was more accurate in a general description than an aggressive gene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 The brain is just an organ and subject to disease just like any other organ in any animal. To claim that dogs can never be born with aggression is like saying that there can never be organic brain disease. GM, why do you think the brain is different to the heart, lungs, kidneys etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janba Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 No I havent researched it.... but if breeders taking temperament into consideration then we should be seeing "aggression" as a genetic trait be close to not common and it is just poorly raised dogs....? The point im trying to make is we rarely put it down to the dog because it rarely is the dogs fault.....I dont think an "aggressive gene" is to blame for a dogs behaviour, you can not pin down a dogs behaviour to a gene... behaviour is influenced by environment not a gene. Google the tame foxes in Russia for selection towards non aggression. If non aggression can be selectively bred for it has to have a genetic basis. Your assumption is that every breeder is ethical and takes the dogs good temperament into consideration when planning a mating, but as only about 20% of the dogs in this country are ANKC registered and probably only about the same on other registries (working, greyhound etc)can you guarantee that the breeders of the majority of dogs take temperament into consideration? I saw that doco... its why i would assume the "aggressive gene" was not a real excuse any more because I know temperament is such an important part of breeding the chance of dogs being born with high aggression was not impossible but not as common as just poorly raised dogs... I think the OP was more accurate in a general description than an aggressive gene. Temperament is important to an ethical breeder but do the majority of puppy farms and BYBs take temperament into account and that is where the majority of dogs come from. Until you can say that the majority of dogs are being bred from parents with very good temperaments you can't dismiss the genetic factor in aggression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pie Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 No I havent researched it maybe you can find a real stat about it... mine was just an exaggerated figure.... but if breeders taking temperament into consideration then we should be seeing "aggression" as a genetic trait be close to not common and it is just poorly raised dogs....? Yes, but the problem with that is some breeders are not. You can't deny that there is a genetic factor, you just have to look at different breeds to see some are more prone to aggression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) having done an amount of work with breeding dogs - aggression certainly is something to be taken into account .! Dogs can be born nervous/aggressive/fearful/placid.. .not every dog who shows certain behaviours has been abused,or attacked. I have hugged two lovely dogs I knew as they were euth'd after sudden and unprovoked aggression .. in both cases there was a physical , incurable cause .. brain tumour . Humans do cause a truckload of problems for dogs just trying to be dogs ... but there is a genetic component, and a health component. Edited January 18, 2012 by persephone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mace Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 No I havent researched it maybe you can find a real stat about it... mine was just an exaggerated figure.... but if breeders taking temperament into consideration then we should be seeing "aggression" as a genetic trait be close to not common and it is just poorly raised dogs....? The point im trying to make is we rarely put it down to the dog because it rarely is the dogs fault.....I dont think an "aggressive gene" is to blame for a dogs behaviour, you can not pin down a dogs behaviour to a gene... behaviour is influenced by environment not a gene. It's not the dogs fault for being involved in a situation displaying aggression as the owners have mismanaged an aggressive dog, that is true, but the reason the dog is aggressive can be genetic and nothing the owners have created Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fox Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 I saw that doco... its why i would assume the "aggressive gene" was not a real excuse any more because I know temperament is such an important part of breeding the chance of dogs being born with high aggression was not impossible but not as common as just poorly raised dogs... I think the OP was more accurate in a general description than an aggressive gene. Correct. But the OP is a light hearted dig at BSL, not an in depth discussion on behavioural problems. However you originally stated: There is no such thing as a genetically agressive dog.. sorry I dont buy it.. its like saying there is a gene for being a spoilt brat... (Unless the dog has a mental illness.. does that even occur in dogs? i'd assume it would??) Which is not true. Real aggression does have a genetic component. It's not something that you commonly see in pet dogs, nor would you want to. In the right dog it can be an asset, in the wrong dog and in the wrong hands it is a liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Gifts Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I was scared to come into this thread thinking oh Dog, SBTs are probably in there! Of course I was also relieved to find that 'Nosy Dog' didn't make the top 5 as I have one of those here and it can be very problematic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannibalgoldfish Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Well, this thread took a negative turn fast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I saw that doco... its why i would assume the "aggressive gene" was not a real excuse any more because I know temperament is such an important part of breeding the chance of dogs being born with high aggression was not impossible but not as common as just poorly raised dogs... I think the OP was more accurate in a general description than an aggressive gene. Correct. But the OP is a light hearted dig at BSL, not an in depth discussion on behavioural problems. well I did not mean to deter from your light hearted digg I thought it was great.... just didnt really understand someones post about rarely mentioning that the dog is in fault......i thought that was contradicting the post, thats all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelaa17 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 http://www.totaldog.co.uk/dog-articles/talking-points/most-dangerous-dogs/Revealed: The 5 Most Dangerous Dogs In The World!Posted on 09 April 2011 by admin Email Undoubtedly it’s going to be controversial. Without fear of chicken counting, it will receive a lot of traffic. And without any element of doubt, it might cause ripples but it needs to be out there, for the public to know. We’ve decided to publicly name the five MOST dangerous dogs on the planet.The Most Dangerous Dogs in the Worldin reverse order:5. Badly fed dog.Badly fed dog is the animal who’s been fuelled up with a diet fit for an Olympic weight lifter, but who only ever gets to expend about 20% of the calories he takes in. He’s got lots of energy and his mismatched diet can manifest in bouts of sudden energetic rampaging. Badly fed dog would ask you to consider; how you would feel spending your day in an office when every inch of your body is throbbing and twitching as you crave the opportunity to actually use up some of those excess calories. Badly fed dog would be happier and safer if his diet reflected his lifestyle.4. Never had any friends dog.Otherwise known as ‘totally under socialised dog’.He was a little naughty when he was a puppy, so his owner decided he’d be better off being kept away from all other forms of animal life. He now spends his days obsessing over what it would be like to chase other dogs around and, by George, one of these days he’s gonna actually do it!Never had any friends dog is going to present his owner with a lifetime of problems, he has no social skills and has never had a chance to learn natural interaction through the teachings of his own kind. He’ll meet new dogs and will be about as socially adept as a 45-year old virgin at a Playboy mansion party. He’s going to blow it. Big time.3. Shouty.Shouty is the dog who has spent most of his life shouting at folks or being shouted at himself. He sees people on his street, he shouts at them. In turn, his owner shouts at him. Shouty presumes being shouted at is a recognition of his excellent work. In fact, hearing his owner shouting in response to his own shouting encourages his assumption that they’re just as upset, anxious, nervous, angry as HE is about the audacity of other people/dogs/pigeons to walk past his window. Shouty is relentlessly encouraged and endorsed in his shouty behaviour and, a bit like no friends dog, shouty spends his days imaging how good it will be when he FINALLY gets his chance to get face to face with the objects of his ire.2. House proud.House proud dog is SO touchy about people coming to his digs unannounced, he’ll happily maim you for your insolence in trying to visit his abode without obtaining the correct visitation paperwork.House proud dog does a line in dishing out injuries to posties, meter readers and delivery people. Fortunately for house proud dog, his owners absolutely REFUSE to believe he is capable of violence, so leave him completely unattended to dish out his own brand of justice to anyone brash enough to consider entering his domain.1. Spoilt dog.“That’s mine and these are mine, those are mine, I’m entitled to that, I believe that I saw that first, I lay claim to those, I own all of these, I’m the rightful proprietor of this…”Welcome to the world of spoilt dog. Quite simply, he believes everything he wants, he can have. Woe betide anyone to tell him differently. His timid owners have never had the heart to let him know that in the human world, simply showing your teeth and growling doesn’t constitute a legal contract on the ownership of goods. They let him off and, worse, they let him keep his spoils, which he’ll gather up and place in his own corner of the world.Sadly, spoilt dog is, one day, going to meet someone who is unaware that he has previously laid claim to every possession on earth. Unfortunately, unlike spoilt dog’s owners, this person is going to have to find out the hard way just how deep spoilt dog’s sense of entitlement runs. Really hard luck if it happens to be a youngster, blissfully ignorant to the fact that the shiny ball on the floor is spoilt dog’s most prized possession (at that VERY moment). A few stitches and a spell in hospital ought to serve as a permanent reminder though.[What? You didn't think there was a such a thing as a list of 'dangerous dog breeds' did you? Pffft.]PS: End bsl.You know it makes sense. Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I'm pretty sure I own a house proud and spoilt dog eeek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Hmm I has a Shouty... Although he he isn't upset, anxious, nervous or angry at the stuff he shouts at, just excited, and interacts with said stuff every day (toys, my other dogs, food, the washing machine, me, the doorbell...) The multiple people, dogs and cars that pass our house on a busy main road however, meh!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fox Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 Well, this thread took a negative turn fast... Didn't it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-j Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 That is a really good way to get the message across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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