Starkehre Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) Curious... does anyone here know please... if a dog had pass cards in say Open Jumping from 2005, dated prior to Excellent Classes being introduced (so they would be what we now call Excellent Jumping) are these pass cards still eligible towards gaining an Excellent Jumping Title, if this same dog gained the remaining pass/passes now in Excellent jumping. I know they were allowed way back then, but has there been a cut off date introduced at all since? Appreciate any assistance/advice anyone can offer. Edited April 8, 2012 by dyzney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) Yep pretty sure they still are. No reason for them not to be they are still "excellent" level courses. Edited December 22, 2011 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkehre Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share Posted December 22, 2011 That's what I thought too Ness, certainly could not see otherwise in the rules and have not yet found anyone that says they know otherwise for sure Jumps were higher and weavers were included, so it was only more difficult if anything or certainly not easier at least, so I can't imagine why there would be a rule against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 One of Ness's excellent titles was a combination from memory. I'd have to go back and check her cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkehre Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share Posted December 22, 2011 That would be great if you wouldn't mind Ness. And what is the date of you 5th pass please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) Ok she got 2 Open Agility Quallies aka Excellent equivalent quallies (in 2004). Then got her 5th pass for her ADX title in April 2007. Edited December 22, 2011 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkehre Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share Posted December 22, 2011 Thanks Ness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) NP. I actually had 5 excellent agility quallies in addition to the 2 open ones because the little bugger did it two weeks before the nationals so we had the nationals warmup trial where she managed another 2 passes and then another quallie at the nationals . Talk about finishing the title off with a bang :D. I do know for certain though that when I applied for the title I submitted the two Open ones and three of the Excellent ones. Edited December 22, 2011 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkehre Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share Posted December 22, 2011 Well done Ness... yes that was a great way to finish it off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkehre Posted December 23, 2011 Author Share Posted December 23, 2011 Bumping, just to see if anyone else has any reason to believe that old Open pass cards, prior to Excellent being introduced, could not be used towards an Excellent title. ... or anyone else that has done similar to Ness, but using even more recent Excellent pass cards included in their mix of eligible passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiechick Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) I can't see why they wouldn't be but just to be certain why not contact Dogs Vic. or the Agility Committee. Are you on the Vic agility list ? Maybe posting there might be helpful. My older kelpie got his first 3 ADX passes in 2005, then broke his leg and had over a year off, finally finishing that title in 2007 in the new excellent class. Plus I have one novice snooker pass from 2007 (tried it, hated it, don't want to do it again for a bit) which I might consider going on with as he nears retirement age (just to give him a run in something a bit less stressful) so that will most likely have a huge gap between Q's when I finally get round to it again as I doubt it will be next year. I would think if there was an expiry date on passes, it would have been made known in the rules, like the expiry date for Ag Ch under the previous rules. The only catch I can think of would be how long Dogs Vic keep their marked catalogues for to check (someone there should at least be able to tell you that much) but even if they don't hold them longer than a certain number of years, I would think you could then send in original pass cards, as you do from passes gained interstate, which they then return. Good Luck - I'm pretty sure I remember one of your dogs back in Novice with my kelpie. Are you thinking of making a return to the agility ring ? Edited December 24, 2011 by kelpiechick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkehre Posted December 24, 2011 Author Share Posted December 24, 2011 Thanks KC. It may well be me you are remembering. Back then there was only Bobbee Terrill, Greg Milner and I doing agility with Rottis. I will contact Dogs Vic when they re open for 2012 and I will also check with agility committee... just thought I would ask here first, in case anyone knew for sure. I won't do anything until I have a definitive answer as I may be bringing my girl back in. Recently I have been starting my young bitch Fame, getting her ready to trial next year and seems Dyzney is super keen to get back out there also. I take Dyz along to training for a bit of competitive drive with Fame. I made a few jokes about putting Dyz back in, but was just joking... and then decided to pull out old pass cards. We stopped trialling in late 2006, but ended with 3 of the older Open Jumping passes and 1 Excellent Jumping pass. (She also has an Excellent SP pass, but we won't be chasing another 4 of those, not at her age, bless her cotton socks). Dyz is super keen and seeing as we have 4 passes, provided the are still able to be used, I thought we might give it a go. It is keeping her young, she is still herding and loves being "mum's special girl". Dyzney was a pill for knocking bars when she was trialling, so only needing one pass might not be easy it at sounds But then again she is older and more sensible and although my handling leaves a lot to be desired, if I can get it right, she works beautifully with me :D She is very forgiving of my errors. Anyway, I am planning on getting Fame measured at K9's trial in Feb, so might put Dyz in that one??? Still undecided and still want to make sure about the old passes. It will be great to catch up with people I have not seen for a few years. From what I can gather a lot of the old faces are still in it, of course there are many newies as well. I am really looking forward to getting back into agility. Fame is showing a bit of promise and loving it. I think it will help her confidence and drive for our obedience also. Agility has come so far since I was doing it. So much more to handling now, I am learning a lot, but my old brain is stuck in the past a bit Never mind. I am out to have fun, get some titles if we can and build confidence in my dog. I don't expect my dogs to be competitive, not like my Ruby in the old days. Everything is so much faster now and the skill level is incredible... blows my mind. I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canine fun sports Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Thanks KC. It may well be me you are remembering. Back then there was only Bobbee Terrill, Greg Milner and I doing agility with Rottis. I will contact Dogs Vic when they re open for 2012 and I will also check with agility committee... just thought I would ask here first, in case anyone knew for sure. I don't check in here very often, so please excuse me if this opinion is a bit dated. I am sure the old open class certificates would be accepted in NSW. The girls in the office are likely to need a note explaining the discrepency on the card, and it might end up being referred to the agility committee, but I am sure that in the end it would be OK'ed. You ae certainly right about how handling techniques have developed onver the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiechick Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Thanks KC. It may well be me you are remembering. Back then there was only Bobbee Terrill, Greg Milner and I doing agility with Rottis. (She also has an Excellent SP pass, but we won't be chasing another 4 of those, not at her age, bless her cotton socks). Sure it was you then - I also remember Ruby when I was starting out trialling as a beginner with my first dog (pre-kelpie) and used to be in absolute awe of everyone in Masters, especially those with the breeds that you didn't see as often. Had forgotten that Greg used to run a Rotti ! With the current rule change you may well want to reconsider Pairs for a bit of fun - if you team with a 500 dog you could jump 500 now in that event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkehre Posted December 24, 2011 Author Share Posted December 24, 2011 Thanks KC. It may well be me you are remembering. Back then there was only Bobbee Terrill, Greg Milner and I doing agility with Rottis. I will contact Dogs Vic when they re open for 2012 and I will also check with agility committee... just thought I would ask here first, in case anyone knew for sure. I don't check in here very often, so please excuse me if this opinion is a bit dated. I am sure the old open class certificates would be accepted in NSW. The girls in the office are likely to need a note explaining the discrepency on the card, and it might end up being referred to the agility committee, but I am sure that in the end it would be OK'ed. You ae certainly right about how handling techniques have developed onver the last few years. Thanks CFS. Yes good point regarding records and possible require for submission of pass cards and accompanying note explaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkehre Posted December 24, 2011 Author Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) Thanks KC. It may well be me you are remembering. Back then there was only Bobbee Terrill, Greg Milner and I doing agility with Rottis. (She also has an Excellent SP pass, but we won't be chasing another 4 of those, not at her age, bless her cotton socks). Sure it was you then - I also remember Ruby when I was starting out trialling as a beginner with my first dog (pre-kelpie) and used to be in absolute awe of everyone in Masters, especially those with the breeds that you didn't see as often. Had forgotten that Greg used to run a Rotti ! With the current rule change you may well want to reconsider Pairs for a bit of fun - if you team with a 500 dog you could jump 500 now in that event. Wow, you remember Ruby, how gorgeous. She was an amazing bitch, so much drive in agility.... back in the days when I didn't really even know what drive was She competed in 2002 Top Jumping Dog of the Year. Sadly we lot Ruby when she was 7 to IMT. I am sure I will remember you then too KC. I don't forget a face... names maybe :D Greg had Axel. Will think about ESP. Would love to do it... but I might be hard pressed finding someone (with a 500 dog or anyone even) whom does not already have a partner from Novice that is prepared to pair up with us. Will certainly give it some thought, thanks for the heads up. Dyzney definitely prefers the 500 jumps. Edited February 25, 2012 by dyzney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkehre Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) Just wanted to share Dyzney's first Agility run in around 6 years, Excellent Jumping. Unfortunately, as you will see in the video she knocked the last bar, but it was clearly entirely my fault, mucked that section of handling up good and proper, not pretty :laugh: But we had fun, she pulled up fine and I didn't get lost. She is such a sweetheart, and at almost 9 years old did a brilliant job I think :D And though she is not fast, we were inside time by a good 5 seconds, so there is hope. I am so glad I am getting back into this wonderful sport. Now, if I can just improve my handling, I might help her to get that pass :) Also wanted to say a huge thank you to Geraldine for her fantastic lessons and support. That's so funny, was just watching it again and isn't it odd the way old bad habits creep in when you are nervous... what's with all that clapping and bending over Oh well, it keeps her going :D Edited February 25, 2012 by dyzney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiechick Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) Wow - I am so impressed that you can make a comeback after such a long time away. Fantastic effort. You both did great and she looks as if she is really enjoying herself. Definitely you I can remember, your girl was in Novice with my older kelpie when he first started out. He is also 9 now (where did the time go, seems like yesterday) and is 'winding down' with the occasional run in Masters only - not last night though, too hot for me with such a long drive to KCC Park. (Only reason he is not out there all the time is that I am running 3 dogs and focussing more on the younger one, and hoping that by cutting his number of runs he can still continue for quite some time) Good Luck with it - more plans for more runs ?? My young BC is in Excellent Jumping so might see you around the rings somewhere. :) Edited February 26, 2012 by kelpiechick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkehre Posted February 26, 2012 Author Share Posted February 26, 2012 Hi KC. Thank you. Can't wait to catch up with you guys. We will be at at least one of the bairnsdale trial days (not decided as yet) and also have entered East Gippsland with both Dyz and young Fame. Are you doing any of these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Wow, that was fantastic! Well done, especially after such a massive break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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