OSoSwift Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Out of interest with cords. On other long haired non corded breeds if they get mats they pull tighter and can cause hair to tear out and cause skin issues and ofcourse gret discomfort. Why does this not happen in corded breeds? Is it because they are thinner and therefore are over a smaller surface area? Why does keeping a Puli, for example, in cords not cause it an issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyosha Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 (edited) Yes the cords are alot of work, but like Puli exhibitors, it should be done and they shouldn't be in the show ring in non-show condition. Minority breeds don't need bad publicity. The base of the cords should be left large enough to bear the weight of the cord comfortably. Another reason why narrower cords are preferable is the weight and pull on the skin. http://www.ragdollkomondorok.org/GroomingHelp.html Edited December 20, 2011 by Alyosha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 (edited) Espinay they didn't resemble any time of cords, those links looked much better they literally were just adhoc chunks Can I also say I love your dogs, I was very interested in a PMD but my OH is set on CAO's for life Edited December 20, 2011 by millbrooksprings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trisven13 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Note that not liking an unwashed dog in the ring is very much a cultural thing. Showing Pyreneans in France, if I were to rock up with a freshly washed and blowdried dog (especially to a Pyr specialist) I would be marked down as they would consider the coat too soft and too open (there would be a lot of stern looks, frowns and shaking of heads - yes I have seen this when overseas freshly groomed dogs have been shown in France ). They want to see good textured working coat. To show under a French Pyr specialist, while I would present my dog brushed (though many in France dont even do this) I would definitely not wash it for a few weeks before the show. Even a few weeks before and some judges may consider the dogs coat not 'natural' enough While I don't like an overly stinky dog either, not all (or even most) 'unwashed' dogs are stinky and I kinda like this honest approach. What you see is what you get and they are a working dog after all. Many dogs in France are pulled away from their flocks to go to the show and go back to work when the show is over (This years best of breed Pyr at the World Dog Show in Paris is a working flock guardian who does actually live in the Pyrenees Mountains). Very much the same with Fauves when they are shown in France - even in England they are not as groomed as they are becoming in Australia (which will only continue as we show more in the American style). When we had the English breed specialist judging last year she actually told me (very nicely) to never again scissor my dogs' tails. Stripping the coat out is fine but anything involving scissors or clippers is an absolute no go. They also prefer a coat that hasn't been washed for a while to show the true harshness than a clean coat full of product that brings the harshness back so I'm told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gayle. Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 They aren't the most attractive of dogs...a certain novelty value as a show dog maybe but if I were going to have a big dog whose coat took that much work, I'd rather have an Old English Sheepdog. At least they're friendly. I wonder how often that one gets to go outside. Not often, I'd bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gayle. Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Note that not liking an unwashed dog in the ring is very much a cultural thing. Showing Pyreneans in France, if I were to rock up with a freshly washed and blowdried dog (especially to a Pyr specialist) I would be marked down as they would consider the coat too soft and too open (there would be a lot of stern looks, frowns and shaking of heads - yes I have seen this when overseas freshly groomed dogs have been shown in France ). They want to see good textured working coat. To show under a French Pyr specialist, while I would present my dog brushed (though many in France dont even do this) I would definitely not wash it for a few weeks before the show. Even a few weeks before and some judges may consider the dogs coat not 'natural' enough While I don't like an overly stinky dog either, not all (or even most) 'unwashed' dogs are stinky and I kinda like this honest approach. What you see is what you get and they are a working dog after all. Many dogs in France are pulled away from their flocks to go to the show and go back to work when the show is over (This years best of breed Pyr at the World Dog Show in Paris is a working flock guardian who does actually live in the Pyrenees Mountains). Very much the same with Fauves when they are shown in France - even in England they are not as groomed as they are becoming in Australia (which will only continue as we show more in the American style). When we had the English breed specialist judging last year she actually told me (very nicely) to never again scissor my dogs' tails. Stripping the coat out is fine but anything involving scissors or clippers is an absolute no go. They also prefer a coat that hasn't been washed for a while to show the true harshness than a clean coat full of product that brings the harshness back so I'm told. What did you do to their tails? I can't imagine Fauves needing scissoring anywhere unless they grow fluffy bits behind their ears. (Do they?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 (edited) They aren't the most attractive of dogs...a certain novelty value as a show dog maybe but if I were going to have a big dog whose coat took that much work, I'd rather have an Old English Sheepdog. At least they're friendly. I wonder how often that one gets to go outside. Not often, I'd bet. Dogs can still have a life & be presented clean . Time & effort into maintaining coats is very easy when your dedicated . These dogs are friendly & are often in pet homes with children there not savage ferals that attack everyone BUT they need owners who understand the breed & lets face it many breeds fall into the same scenario . There not for the average Joe but for the owners who want them for what they are they by all accounts make super pets that are loyal.loving & functional Edited December 20, 2011 by showdog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumof4girls Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Wouldn't it be far to warm for them here, they look like their coats would be heavy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyosha Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Their coats insulate against both heat and cold. I probably wouldn't keep them in the northern parts of Australia, but that would be the same for many breeds originating in cooler lands. Any long coated show dog has a life outside the ring, coat care comes into it yes, but Afghans and Standard poodles are two that spring to mind with reasonably high activity and stimulation needs, and show coats don't restrict that overly much for them, or for show Pulik. Show coated Old English have comparable coat as well... Attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder, and we all have different opinions. There are a great many breeds out there that don't physically appeal to me but I don't go around saying they're unattractive, just manners I guess. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Many pet owners trim the cords off or actually don't allow the coat to cord & brush it out,this applies with Pulis aswell. If people choice the Cords then they need to ensure the cords are parted often (each one cord by cord ) not end up with a matted mess which will make the coat unfunctional make the dogs life hell. Here.s a video of a different corded breed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gayle. Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Love the poodle, but the corded Havanese looks like half the matted mutts in our local pound. That's a breed that definitely looks nicer brushed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trisven13 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 What did you do to their tails? I can't imagine Fauves needing scissoring anywhere unless they grow fluffy bits behind their ears. (Do they?) Scissored the extra fur at the tip of the tail - removes about 2cm from the end of the tail which improves their general outline as their tail is held up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 (edited) I LOVE the look of the Komondor. Too much dog for me, but I think they are just stunning. I love the look of the Bergamasco as well, call me crazy. Edited December 20, 2011 by wuffles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabbath Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I'm with you Wuffles. I think they look awesome! My partner is Hungarian and owned a Puli until she died a few years back. She was a lovely dog. On the Gold Coast here she spent much time clipped kinda short. I'd never met a Puli til I met my girlfriend's family. I still haven't met a Komondor in real life. Serious dogs though from what I read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpette Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 OK a dumb question from the owner of a short coated wash and wear breed........ how on earth do your remove the burrs and grass seeds from the coats during summer time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpette Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 OK another dumb question............. Why is the poodle corded? Is that style of presentation allowed in the breed standard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pie Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I love Pulik, I would love to have one and also do agility with it but just don't think I could handle the coat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pie Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 OK another dumb question............. Why is the poodle corded? Is that style of presentation allowed in the breed standard? That's what I was wondering, are they allowed to be shown corded here too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Poodles can be shown corded in Australia,there was a blue Standard who was. As for grass seeds & burrs i never get them in my coated breeds as i don't allow them to run through that kind of thing & our acre is maintained again not to have burrs/grass seeds The last 2 weeks we have groomed dogs with so many burrs where owners take them to the parks but don't bother to remove them ,bloody painful even for us groomers when picking the dogs up & getting them stuck in our skin . Plenty of places to walk dogs that are burr/grass seed free or you simply dedicate your time to brush out what you allow to enter your dogs coat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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