Gayle. Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Don't you feel sorry for the judges who have to put their hands on those stinking dogs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 having Whippets who just don't smell I would not be happy at all to be stuck near the stinky dogs all day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gayle. Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 My dogs don't smell, and if I'm showing, the show dogs get cleaned from the skin out the day before. I'm always conscious that a complete stranger will be putting their hands all over my dog and I don't want them to come away with stinky hands. And showing a dirty smelly dog is akin to going to a party in your filthy gardening clothes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyosha Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Komondorok (plural is with a k not as s, same as Pulik) should not smell when being shown. Owners in the USA and Eurpoe put considable work into show coats and they are spectacular, cared for much as a Puli or the corded Poodle. Their cords should be split and maintained in smaller sections and not left in large felted mats. It does involve dedication and work. Showdog I'm sorry you had a bad experience. They are intense as a guardian breed yes, but no more so than a Cenrtal Asian or Sarplaniac. They just require a suitable environment and suitable owners. They are not an urban dog, no. But they do have successful pet, agility and show careers. They are also involved in law enforcement work occasioanlly. Exceptionally devoted family dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 When they are looked after they are stunning and hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topoftheheap Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 when i was looking for my breed i seriously considered a puli. i love thier temperament, thier personality, and the way they fly over those jumps, as well as thier beautiful coats. i looked at breeders, but then decided that i could not adequately keep up with thier coat work. i thought at first i could of, but then thought responsibly and decided that keeping a puli in show coat would be alot of work. From what i researched they take a lot to wet them down in the bath, but not only that they need to dry in a crate with dryers for 3-4 hours because if you leave the coat damp, not only does it start to stink, it actually rots from the outside. Also the beautiful coat needs daily brushing during the juvenile stage and seperating of the cords as the hair clumps and forms the cords. It can take up to 3 years for thier coat to fully develop and i had visions of me making a mistake and breaking half the cords and having a dog with half a coat missing. Which wouldn't of bothered me if it was only a pet but as i wanted a dog to show it would of. I love the corded coat breeds, i always go and say hello at the shows, and i love seeing them move in the ring. I wish I could of done it, but with the grooming and excercise commitment, and my spinal cord, i just wouldn't of been able to keep up. Sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fit for a King Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) Don't you feel sorry for the judges who have to put their hands on those stinking dogs? Gayle - it's not a question of the breed as a whole but people's care of their animals.....I know people with DDBs, labs and staffies whose dogs stink even though they are being shown - they are just not bathed regularly - I avoid touching them if possible.....if I'm judging I find an occasional Kelpie, ACD or ASCD who is unwashed...and yes it is very unpleasant..... Edited December 18, 2011 by Fit for a King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I consider it extremely rude to present a smelly unwashed dog for judging................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 (edited) There is a Puli that comes to the local dog park sometimes. S/he's lovely, the cords seem to be well cared for. It's really cute, the owner is a guy with dark hair in dreads, they march! I think I would drive myself into OCD-style insanity with a corded dog, whenever Saxon is lying next to me I find myself feeling through his coat and fiddling with any little knot or matt I find until I eventually get the scissors and trim it out, which then leads to going over him for any other knots etc etc. I can't just leave them, even if I'm planning to clip him the next day. If i had a corded dog I think I'd spend all my time feeling over the coat to make sure the cords were perfect and wouldn't be able to to sleep I they weren't! Edited December 19, 2011 by Saxonpup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merijigs Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 A recent Australian publication which has good information on all the guardian breeds is van Bommel, L. (2010) "Guardian Dogs: Best Practice Manual for the use of Livestock Guardian Dogs" published by Invasive Animals Cooperative Research Centre, Canberra and obtainable from them on 02 6201 2887 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I consider it extremely rude to present a smelly unwashed dog for judging................. I would imagine that the people that own the dogs are used to the smell and would not notice it. Not rudeness, it's just what you get when a handler has very poor hygiene standards. Same as those disgusting handlers that think it acceptable for the dog to urinate inside the building. Obviously they are accustomed to living with that smell in their homes and they don't realise that other people are not used to it at all. Some handlers are just filthy, dirty grots. But luckily the vast majority of show people have the cleanest, best groomed dogs you will ever see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I consider it extremely rude to present a smelly unwashed dog for judging................. I would imagine that the people that own the dogs are used to the smell and would not notice it. Not rudeness, it's just what you get when a handler has very poor hygiene standards. Same as those disgusting handlers that think it acceptable for the dog to urinate inside the building. Obviously they are accustomed to living with that smell in their homes and they don't realise that other people are not used to it at all. Some handlers are just filthy, dirty grots. But luckily the vast majority of show people have the cleanest, best groomed dogs you will ever see. That is possible, and yes allowing a dog to urinate inside the building is just gross. I still cannot think why anyone would turn up with an unwashed dog though. It's not like they don't know its coming up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MsKatie Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Some dogs smell doggier than others - I think Bloodhounds are one of them - and I def notice Earl smells stronger than Rosie. ;) I love the look of the corded coats but just would not have the time to put into establishing a good coat and maintaining it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 (edited) Note that not liking an unwashed dog in the ring is very much a cultural thing. Showing Pyreneans in France, if I were to rock up with a freshly washed and blowdried dog (especially to a Pyr specialist) I would be marked down as they would consider the coat too soft and too open (there would be a lot of stern looks, frowns and shaking of heads - yes I have seen this when overseas freshly groomed dogs have been shown in France ). They want to see good textured working coat. To show under a French Pyr specialist, while I would present my dog brushed (though many in France dont even do this) I would definitely not wash it for a few weeks before the show. Even a few weeks before and some judges may consider the dogs coat not 'natural' enough While I don't like an overly stinky dog either, not all (or even most) 'unwashed' dogs are stinky and I kinda like this honest approach. What you see is what you get and they are a working dog after all. Many dogs in France are pulled away from their flocks to go to the show and go back to work when the show is over (This years best of breed Pyr at the World Dog Show in Paris is a working flock guardian who does actually live in the Pyrenees Mountains). Komondor coats are not easy as the chords hold moisture - if they get damp they can take on a smell. Even some of the best groomed coats can take on an odour sometimes as a result. The US in particular do do things to the extreme and while being shown it is unlikely the dog would be allowed on any surface where it could get damp or dirty while it is being campaigned and kept in a 'show coat'. Too much work for me! Edited December 19, 2011 by espinay2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 The thing with these komondors was not only the smell but the fact they had mat chunks rather than cords. Seeing the breed for the first time presented the way they were was, to me, not a great impression on the breed especially when you had beautifully corded pulis in the day before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyosha Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Sounds a bit slack to me Millbrooksprings. Just like the Puli the cords should be regularly divided and cared for over the couple of years it takes to grow the full coat in. I'd much prefer to see properly separated cords cut shorter if maintenance is too hard, rather than left to form large felted mats. The cords develop as undercoat is shed into them. And if they are not divided nto narrower cords each time this happens (twice a year), and constantly as the cords are forming on youngsters, the large mats form and remain. Which is a shame really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 (edited) The thing with these komondors was not only the smell but the fact they had mat chunks rather than cords. Like this? If so, not uncommon for this breed. Even this is hard to maintain. Thin narrow 'show coat' chords are massive work. Note that some other 'chorded' breeds do develop and are left in 'plates' and thicker chords too. The Bergamasco is one. Edited December 20, 2011 by espinay2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 My clipper hand is itching........................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OSoSwift Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Now that is much better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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