Colliewood Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Hi, I have been using Troy Behave on my girl for the last number of weeks to help with anxiety, stress etc. I am about to run out and was searching option for a more economical way of buying it. Came across a capsule/tablet form (this one was 500mg). Has anyone used the tablet form before, if yes what dosage for a 20kg dog??? Am I better sticking with the Behave? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brighton Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 (edited) If you feed a decent food you do not need it. Edited December 6, 2011 by brighton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavNrott Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 If you feed a decent food you do not need it. How do you figure that? What do you consider to be a decent food? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everythings Shiny Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 (edited) If you feed a decent food you do not need it. What a load of crap If the Troy behave works, I'd stick with it as an overdose of Tryptophan isn't the best thing to have Edited December 5, 2011 by Everythings Shiny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lavendergirl Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 If you feed a decent food you do not need it. Wow - if only it was that simple. Most people on here with anxious dogs have tried everything including various food. I have a dog with anxiety and he has been fed on premium foods only. I found that the Behave paste did not work for him by the way - along with the Rescue Remedy, Thundershirt, DAP...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 brighton... decent foods do not contain substances in amounts large enough to help treat anxiety, or allergies, or any one of a hundred problems..... That is why supplements are useful things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colliewood Posted December 5, 2011 Author Share Posted December 5, 2011 Thank you to those who offered a sensible reply. To the other, premium foods all her life my friend but clearly you know better. Including raw and dry. (clown) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wherezaball Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 If you feed a decent food you do not need it. Oh yes if life was just so simple...maybe yours is Brighton but seriously if you believe this problem is just diet related or treated by diet alone you really don't have a clue about dogs and their behaviour. Let's put it in human terms cause at least you may have some experience in that....what about people who eat a very healthy diet, exercise regularly, don't smoke or drink (in excess or at all)...I guess they would NEVER suffer from anxiety or depression problems or not contract nasty disease such as cancer etc?? of course they do....they may need supplements to help them manage their problems and so do some dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagittarian Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 PAWS (Blackmores) multi with tryptophan should be back in stock across the country at the end of the year or early next year. We've had incredibly positive feedback from customers who used it a few months ago - from car sickness to fear biters and a lot in between. Not horribly priced either and given as a chew treat. Sags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danois Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Is that the same as L-Trytophan? I used the 'Calm' one from Pet Ark which I got through K9 Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagittarian Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Is that the same as L-Trytophan? I used the 'Calm' one from Pet Ark which I got through K9 Pro. I'm not familiar with L-Trytophan... maybe jump on the PAWS website and see if the product is close to that? Sags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Arab Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 AnimalCare have the paste version http://www.animalcare.net.au/s/Keyword/behave/SearchType/2/SortItem/1 but these guys mainly deal with horse stuff I have used that on horses and it seems to work well. As it is a Troy product it should be fairly easy for any produce shop to order in for you (they are a fairly well known brand). Or you could go to their website directly and ask them. http://www.troylab.com.au/ On the other hand have you studied the diet?? I guess we can give up on all that training and conditioning (hell lets forget socialisation and experiences as well) all we need to do is feed 'decent food' because after all, all dogs are exactly the same in every way and will respond in the same way to the same situation every single time and diet is the main influencing factor. The fools like Dunbar and Yin now nothing about dog behaviour compared to the experts at Hills and Mars!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everythings Shiny Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Colliewood - have you looked into DAP at all to help assist in the anxiety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 DAP is very good in my experience but if you have found something that works, stick to it!!! DAP is not cheap either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colliewood Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 Colliewood - have you looked into DAP at all to help assist in the anxiety? I have looked into DAP, happy to but it BUT. I have a question you may be able to answer. It seems to me to be for indoor use only. My main issues are outside. (pacing, barking at noises etc) The dogs are indoors of a night so not sure if it will help. Must admit I need to email the company to ask more questions I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lavendergirl Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 If you wanted to try the DAP it now comes in collars - just Google DAP Collars. This is what they recommend for outdoor use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan3 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I use and recommend "Good as Gold" which you can buy from specialty horse suppliers. I'm not sure what the dosage in Behave is, but if you give me the numbers I can calculate how much Good as Gold you would need per dose. I would also supplement with a B-complex. Good as Gold + B complex will reduce costs considerably. You may also find with the addition of some carbohydrates (e.g a small amount of porridge) you can reduce the amount of tryptophan given. Premium foods are some of the worst offenders for filling dogs up with corn. The tryptophan (aka l-tryptophan) in corn has very poor bioavailability. In some studies, protein from corn has been used to deplete serotonin in animals and humans. This is only normally a concern if corn is the main source of protein in a dog's diet. For some dogs, taking them off a corn-based food can make the difference. Eggs are a very good source of tryptophan for dogs, provided they are cooked (doesn't need to be much, soft boiled is fine). The mechanisms for getting serotonin (from tryptophan) into the brain are complex, and many factors can be involved including ratio of tryptophan to other amino acids, exercise, insulin response to carbohydrates, and even exposure (and timing of exposure) to sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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