Missymoo Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 My pup is 6 months late December, but his baby bottom canines are refusing to budge and the adults are coming up inside....I've never had the issue of baby extraction before as teeth all fell out! These aren't even moving at all...so, who do I go to and what sort of cost am I looking at to budget for? Do they do general, or local? Anyone have any stories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Give him lots to chew and play tug with him. Try to wriggle the teeth with your fingers if you can. If you do that every day, sometimes you can loosen them yourself. If they get to the loose, but won't come out stage, try grabbing them carefully with pliers. Otherwise wait until 6 months then get the vet to remove them. With some dogs they can just pull them out while the dog is awake, others need a GA. It depends on the dog's temperament and how solidly attached the teeth are. Price depends on the vet and the size of the dog. It is a generally a very minor procedure but a GA can be anything from $100 - $400 depending on how the vet does their pricing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rysup Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Pretty sure its a general. My Lhasa had to have hers pulled, all four. My Kees puppy was close but I gave him some really hard chews and they came out. The Lhasa was under $100 but that was ohhhh 6 years ago now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inevitablue Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 I'd insist on a GA of you go to the vet. Last thing you want is issues over his mouth being looked at. My pup damaged a nail, the vet only lightly sedated her and cut the nail off near the bed. Try going anywhere near her now with nail clippers. Poor thing, I wish I had been paying more attention to what they gave her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ons Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 my vet quoted $210.00 the other day to get two baby teeth removed on a griffon, says that it was a bit more because he is a flat face breed I wanted to be able to be a few days at home with him after the operation so was going to book him in this week but I did up the bones and chicken wings at home and they fell out naturally Mocha was born on the 17/4/ so he is now 7 months so they may fall out naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missymoo Posted November 26, 2011 Author Share Posted November 26, 2011 Thanks guys some food for thought, I've been giving him big bones, pigs ears and we play tug..they are rock solid I'm afraid.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 I'd insist on a GA of you go to the vet. Last thing you want is issues over his mouth being looked at. My pup damaged a nail, the vet only lightly sedated her and cut the nail off near the bed. Try going anywhere near her now with nail clippers. Poor thing, I wish I had been paying more attention to what they gave her. It depends on the dog and how solid the teeth are. I know of quite a few BCs that have had them pulled by the vet with no sedation at all and no issues after. It is not a painful procedure, just uncomfortable. Think back to when you were a kid and had to pull out your baby teeth. There isn't any pain involved because the teeth are already dead. If the dog will let them get hold of the teeth with forceps, without a fuss, removing them is usually pretty easy. Nails are a different matter and are always painful when cut too far back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inevitablue Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 (edited) Good point, I had in my mind live teeth for some reason Edited November 26, 2011 by Inevitablue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Good point, I had in my mind live teeth for some reason Live teeth would be a completely different issue altogether. But by 6 months the baby canines are dead, even if they haven't fallen out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacuna Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Having a breed that is know for having to have teeth removed (I found this out later) I had to have 4 baby teeth removed in my show dog. The pet retained teeth but they did fall out naturally down the track with no lasting effect. Never having had this issue before (alway had large dogs previously) I probably left it a bit late getting the teeth removed (just on 7 months) and as a result one of the adult canine teeth did come down on a bit of an angle on my show dog. I was told later I could have kept pushing it back when it was coming down but of course got this information after the event. I haven't heard of retained teeth being much of a problem in the Griffons but the younger girl here had to get a couple of her baby teeth removed - I tried giving bones, chews and encouraged the dogs to play tug of war with toys etc but still no success. The vet told me it wouldn't have mattered what I tried in his opinion I wouldn't of had any success. Both girls had a general anaesthetic but as I only left them for a short time (around 1 1/2 hours if I remember correctly) and they were with it when I picked them up so obviously only had a small dose. Vet knew they were show dogs so no hair shaved and showed the griffon that coming weekend. Guess it depends on whether the dog in question is going to be shown or not and how important teeth are in the standard of that breed eg Griffons teeth can be uneven where as it is expected in my other breed that the dog have an even scissor bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periannath Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 My breed is notorious for retained baby K9's.If the adult teeth are coming through I would have them out immediately.Some you can get out with the pliers and doesn't seem to faze the dog at all but you have to be careful in case you shatter the tooth in which case it's a vet visit anyway.If you choose vet ask him/her to push the baby K9's into the baby's place.Some will fall naturally into the place the baby tooth has vacated and others don't.You don't want to end up with inverted K9's because of a retained tooth.Price will vary with vets.Cheapest I have heard of is $80 the most expensive $280. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairo1 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 My pup is 6 months late December, but his baby bottom canines are refusing to budge and the adults are coming up inside....I've never had the issue of baby extraction before as teeth all fell out! These aren't even moving at all...so, who do I go to and what sort of cost am I looking at to budget for? Do they do general, or local? Anyone have any stories? Hi Missymoo! I am having the same issues with my young GSD. He is 5 months and 1 week and three of his four canines are still holding on tight!! My vet suggested to keep feeding bones and pigs ears etc and keep him chewing. They are now discolouring and he is sure they will fall out by themselves. His new teeth are only half erupted so they still have a ways to go. I am keeping finger's crossed that nature does it's work and I am not stressing!! Good Luck Cairo1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missymoo Posted November 26, 2011 Author Share Posted November 26, 2011 (edited) I am just worried about the placement of the adult teeth..they are half up INSIDE if the baby canines, therefore out of alightment, rest of mouth is good..will they fall back into place?? How long is it wise to leave it go before risking them not moving at all after the baby teeth are taken out? Hes a nice pup I dont want to risk his mouth going... ok went searching..this is what the canines sort of look like...(this is not my pup, I dont think hes stay still long enough!) As apposed to the regular retained puppy canine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fallsvetclinic/sets/72157623488440996/detail/?page=4 mm actually an interesting photo page for teeth, check it out Edited November 26, 2011 by Missymoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordogs Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 My 5 and a half month old GSD has just finished teething, last canine fell out a few days ago I gave her a good meaty bone that she really had to pull at the meat and viola canine gone. Definitely good meaty bones and if still there at 6 months have them removed. I read an article recently about misplaced canines and the suggestion was to shove a tennis ball into the mouth and hold jaws shut for a couple of minutes a couple of times a day, it will aide the canines to move into the correct position. Good Luck. Puppies are a constant worry ears, teeth, hips, and the list goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 I had to have 3 of my pups baby canines removed this week ( 2 of them had fractures and abscesses as he broke them both at 10 weeks) I paid $400 for everything but that included antibiotics etc as there was a lot of infection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumabaar Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 I am just worried about the placement of the adult teeth..they are half up INSIDE if the baby canines, therefore out of alightment, rest of mouth is good..will they fall back into place?? How long is it wise to leave it go before risking them not moving at all after the baby teeth are taken out? Hes a nice pup I dont want to risk his mouth going... If the teeth seem like they are quite firm and you can see the adult canines coming up in the incorrect position I would be getting the baby canines out right now. No point risking malocclusion by waiting a few extra weeks!! Way up the risk/price of an anaesthetic now vs having regular dentals under anaesthetic later in life and missing out on showing etc. (Be wary of anyone who says there is a quick and cheap fix with regards to correcting any dental misalignments- do your research as there are some techniques that just don't work, but are being marketed as being a great alternative. Also I wouldn't use pliers unless you are very confident- breaking off the top of the tooth and having the vet have to dig out the root is not as straight forward, also it can make them mouth shy.) In dogs they have found that baby teeth should fall out prior to the adult coming through so having two canines at the same time will always be abnormal. It is generally left to 6mths because your average pup is being desexed at this age and so is a way of limiting anaesthetics, not because 6mths is actually when they should have fallen out by. If they are not impacting on the placement of the adult teeth there is not much of a problem waiting till this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Our vets deal mainly with show breeders so most of the puppies they see are show dogs and not being desexed. They still recommend waiting until right on 6 months (but not later) to remove retained teeth. Most of my dogs have had two sets of canines with the adult teeth forcing out the the baby teeth as they partly or fully emerge. I have often had to wriggle them for a week or so to get them out. I don't think I have ever had one where the baby teeth fell out before the adult tooth started to emerge. The only dog I have bred that needed a vet to pull a baby tooth was 6 months old when the instructors at show training picked up on the canine coming through crooked. The owner went off to their usual vet who charged them a $70 consult (about 16 years ago) and said the dog needed to see a specialist because he had no idea why the tooth was crooked. Before they went to the specialist I saw the dog at a show. He had snapped the baby tooth off and the base of it was stuck in the gum pushing the new tooth out of alignment. I sent them off to a more competant vet who removed the offending tooth stump under GA in a couple of seconds. Within a week the adult tooth had moved into the vacant space and straightened up. So no specialist needed, just a vet that knew what they were doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missymoo Posted November 26, 2011 Author Share Posted November 26, 2011 Rearranging my schedule to get him in next week, got a quote for $220 which sounds about average, I'm not going to muck around, thanks all for helpful replys and personal stories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumabaar Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Rearranging my schedule to get him in next week, got a quote for $220 which sounds about average, I'm not going to muck around, thanks all for helpful replys and personal stories Good luck and a speedy recovery next week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 My older boy always had the big one come out next to his baby canine but they fell out on his own, new baby only lost 1 on his own ( although the 1 bottom one was loose on the day if surgery), had to have 2 surgically removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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