Please Explain

[sariluda]

First of all to all those that have shown a dog/bitch to grand Ch. status Congratulations.:D For me it's imposible with my choosen breed.

But what i would like to know is why continue to show a dog/bitch that has attained this status.....

Can you go any higher than Grand.Ch?

If not then why continue showing?

[-Megz-]

Firstly, it is not impossible in any breed to obtain the title of Grand Champion. Many rare breeds and those low in numbers prove this.

I have had the privilege of being entrusted with a dog that obtained it's Grand Championship and am friends with others who have achieved the same. I contained to show my girl because she was a lovely example of her breed. She was not unbeatable as proven by those that did beat her but I saw no point in pulling a dog out for absolutely no reason.

I compare this to saying, oh that Child Handler has already won one State Final why should she compete in another? Because she is eligible, capable and it's all within the rules.

Why shouldn't I show my Grand Champion?

[Rebanne]

I don't have a Gr Champion ( yet! :D ) but as I only show one dog at a time why not continue with my one dog? Showing is my hobby. I am just starting out with my new baby puppy and I will show him for as long as we both enjoy it. The plan is it will be another 4 years before I get my next dog, should I stay at home if my current dog gets his Grand before then? ( not that it is likely ). If the current dog was within striking distance of getting his Gr when the next pup is here I would continue on until the Gr was acheived then reevaluate.

[Dogsfevr]

I have 3 Grand Ch all attained the title 3 years or younger,the breed isn't in there prime till 5/6 .I have made up 4 others as a handler .

i don't breed & like others these are my showdogs till retired .To have retired my oldies at 3 would be a crying shame & my current grand is no where near his prime & only 3

Grand is just a title .good dogs should be shown & are easily beaten & like already mentioned any breed can gain its grand title.

[sariluda]

I have read (can't remember where) that there was a gold, silver, and bronze to be added after Grand. Ch has been reached, i could be wrong.

I'm still learning about how it all works and wasn't sure if this was true or not.

But can understand why you would continue showing a Grand Ch. as obviously the dog/bitch is of a high quaility, and yeah for the fun/social/hobby side of it all, which is the reason why i'm show my bitch, and loving it.;)

[Dogsfevr]

Gold/silver /bronze is an unofficial title that is gained for points between the Ch & Grand Ch

100 Champion

Bronze 250 points

silver 500 points

gold 750 points

Grand 1000 points plus requirements

[Rottshowgirl]

The US have also introduced Gold, Silver & Bronze levels of Gr Ch status, maybe that's where you heard it

[stone]

The longer the best dogs are exhibited the better.

Too many really good dogs are retired much to early. IMO

Now that the GC titled has been made harder to be obtained I hope the ANKC will revise the criteria for Ch status.

Just turning up really isn't good enough.

[Sandra777]

Before there was the Grand Ch title people used to make the same complaints about continuing to show Champions. No doubt if the Supreme Champion thing comes in people will complain about continuing to show a Supreme Champion.

Dogs shows are a competition. If you can't beat the "best" then it's not a competition at all. If the "best" are retired as soon as they reach some arbitary point (be it Ch, Gr Ch, Supreme Ch) then it becomes an assembly line, you merely have to wait for the good dog to get off (be retired) then your dog gets to play.

[Bjelkier]

Before there was the Grand Ch title people used to make the same complaints about continuing to show Champions. No doubt if the Supreme Champion thing comes in people will complain about continuing to show a Supreme Champion.

Dogs shows are a competition. If you can't beat the "best" then it's not a competition at all. If the "best" are retired as soon as they reach some arbitary point (be it Ch, Gr Ch, Supreme Ch) then it becomes an assembly line, you merely have to wait for the good dog to get off (be retired) then your dog gets to play.

This ^^

[Trisven13]

Before there was the Grand Ch title people used to make the same complaints about continuing to show Champions. No doubt if the Supreme Champion thing comes in people will complain about continuing to show a Supreme Champion.

Dogs shows are a competition. If you can't beat the "best" then it's not a competition at all. If the "best" are retired as soon as they reach some arbitary point (be it Ch, Gr Ch, Supreme Ch) then it becomes an assembly line, you merely have to wait for the good dog to get off (be retired) then your dog gets to play.

Completely!

[sariluda]

Thanks everyone for your replies it has helped me understand and learn a bit more, some great valid reasons as to why we all love to show our dogs (regardless of their status) I was definately not complaining but wanted to understand the reason why show after the highest pinicle has been reached, having to compete against Ch. & Grand Ch. sets the standard in which we need to reach with our dogs and that got to be a good thing, reading the standard for your breed is one thing but to see it in the flesh is priceless.

Good luck to all with your dogs.

Oh and regarding the Gold, silver and Bronze must have been and American article that i read about it, is this done here in Australia?

And how does Supreme Ch. work (how many points need to be attained after Gr.Ch. has been achieved, has it been done before?

I would also like to add that for me usually having the only dog of my breed, finding that winning chalenges is a bit of a gimme, but what should i do change my breed and get a new dog that is in competative numbers so there is competion for Challenge points. I do tell myself that it's not my fault that i am the only one entered in that breed but that the judge can non award if she was not worthy. But i would like to add the she has won classes in group and an in show win at a group specialty show and an in show award at breed specialty show.So is she worthy of a tittle.

I have heard and read people saying that dogs gaining there Ch. Tittle on 6pts challenges is not worthy of the tilttle so should i not be showing her?

[Dogsfevr]

My current Grand champ is the only one of his breed shown but he is a multi BIS /BIG winner .Being the only example shown isn't a set back at all .if the dog is good enough it will win.

My other 2 grands where also often the only examples shown for the major part of there career but again multi BIS/BIG winners .

The Aussies bronze/silver/gold is a title you can apply for & receive a certificate but you can't use it in entry forms as it isn't reconized in every state .

[kelpiesrule]

My girl is a Grand Champion and loves the ring and I love showing her, as I dont have much to show at the moment I keep her in the ring because not only for the joy of it, but she helps keep the others honest and to set a bit of a standard. She is beatable for sure but such a lovely girl it is a shame not to have her out there.

It is hard when you are the only one of your breed, (I actually go to a lot of shows where I am the only one of my breed entered) but that is not your fault. But you need to be totally critical of your dog if you wish to go further and take on the big wins. Sometimes it can just be an age thing, or lucky enough to find a judge that likes your breed. No reason why you shouldnt keep showing your dog if you enjoy it. She cant be that bad if she has picked up those other wins Congratulations

[sariluda]

Thanks Showdog & Kelpiesrule, glad i'm not the only one.Although I would love to have other competitors along side,then it would be a competition.

I have had a lots of comments on her, but there are some judges i have found just don't like the "bull" breeds. But others realy like her, I actually had a judge (from a previous day of showing) come over to me and comment on how pleased she was with her and pointed out some of her impresive quailities, which i thought was realy nice of her to do so, although she didn't give us a group win I thought that this was more special as she went out of her way to come and talk to me, she was a NSW judge.(From memory she put a Stafford up)

But at the end of the day I love my dogs and we have FUN, and does it realy matter what others think?

The judges opinion is just that an opinion, win some loose some.....the show goes on,lol.:D

And if we end up gaining her tittle i suppose it will be because she 's earnt it.

[stone]

In the U.K dogs are awarded c.cs depending on the number of entries.

The less popular breeds have smaller entry number requirements, but I think there has to be at least three entries.

if there is not enough entries the CC is not awarded.

Three C.Cs are required to be made up. (edit:- three different shows, 3 different judges)

Canada, & I assume the USA have a similar system.

I was totally confused when watching a show in Canada & 5 dogs lined for best of breed.

Took a while to figure out Ch dogs are called "specials" & don't need to compete at class level, They just rollout for the B.O.B.

That is pretty ordinary IMO.

I prefer the entries to be anon & the dogs judged on their merits. (In a perfect world i.e)

Edited November 21, 2011 by stone

[Topoftheheap]

i saw something at my last show that may be applicable in this case.

there were four shows over one weekend, and for the first three shows there were over 20 dogs entered for the breed. a dog kept getting bob that usually always loses to an Australian Gr Champ. the Gr Champ was entered but was withdrawn for the first three shows for reasons unknown, but the owner was there with younger dogs that kept getting beaten. there was a great atmosphere seeing a dog that usually is always the bridesmaid win 3 best of breeds in one weekend, and we were all excited hoping that the fairly new exhibitor would secure four. However, on the last show, the Aust Gr Champion suddenly appeared and got the BOB. Why would you do that? Im not criticising just wondering???

[stone]

i saw something at my last show that may be applicable in this case.

there were four shows over one weekend, and for the first three shows there were over 20 dogs entered for the breed. a dog kept getting bob that usually always loses to an Australian Gr Champ. the Gr Champ was entered but was withdrawn for the first three shows for reasons unknown, but the owner was there with younger dogs that kept getting beaten. there was a great atmosphere seeing a dog that usually is always the bridesmaid win 3 best of breeds in one weekend, and we were all excited hoping that the fairly new exhibitor would secure four. However, on the last show, the Aust Gr Champion suddenly appeared and got the BOB. Why would you do that? Im not criticising just wondering???

Selective exhibiting perhaps.

It's been known to happen.

More than just occasionally.

[GRD]

The longer the best dogs are exhibited the better.

Too many really good dogs are retired much to early. IMO

Now that the GC titled has been made harder to be obtained I hope the ANKC will revise the criteria for Ch status.

Just turning up really isn't good enough.

The new qualifications for champion, Grand Ch and the new Supreme Ch titles are up on the ANKC web site (regulations part 5 Shows).

The is a new set of National Conformation Show rules being developed during the next year. Part of the process will be receiving input from the members, keep your eye out in your state journals and Dog News Australia for the notification and put your ideas forward.

Graham

[Lowenhart]

I love seeing mature show dogs strut their stuff, Grand or not.

However I don't think it's conducive to good breed entries if a BIS winning Grand Ch is out for every show, every weekend. Yes show your Grand titled dogs under the breed specialists, the internationals and at the major shows. It makes those shows "special". But I can't see the benefit to showing that dog at 3-4 shows a weekend every weekend ad infinitum. You notice breed numbers dive when a dog is being heavily campaigned like that, I've even see exhibitors switch breeds to get away from it!

If you have limited shows in your area, I can see the value in showing the dog at them all. But if you have a multitude like in NSW, you have the luxury of picking and choosing.