Sir Sniffalot Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Just got a letter from Dogs Vic to say they are withdrawing my prefix l registered almost 6 months ago. Apparently a member has seen it in the gazette and objected that it is too similar to theirs, l now need to submit 5 new choices as they were all demeed not suitable return pedigree's for the litter which has been rehomed and they will not register my current litter if l object. Has this happened to anyone before ? Does the National Prefix Register not screen for these similarities before they issue prefixes because they sure took their time issuing mine ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Sorry about your bad news, you must be disappointed. There seems to be no rhymn or reason behind why some affixes are approved and others aren't and how close is too close to another affix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trisven13 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 I'd be very disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sniffalot Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 Yep not too happy besides the fact l have to try get peds back l can't register this litter with two puppies heading off to show homes if l object. Plus l need to change my website, signwriting on my dog trailer, my email address everything that has this prefix on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trisven13 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Yeah that would be really annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benshiva Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Do you have grounds to appeal the decision? I'd contact them with the information you've given here re: already have website, signwriting etc and see what they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sniffalot Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 l have found out what the other prefix is we have the same start to our prefix and the same breed, the other people don't breed, don't have a website they just show dogs for other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leema Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 I'd also be inclined to seek financial compensation for this. All the things you mentioned are costly How very frustrating for you. I hope you can find a pleasant resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 l have found out what the other prefix is we have the same start to our prefix and the same breed, the other people don't breed, don't have a website they just show dogs for other people. doesn't really matter what they do, they still had their prefix first, it's not their fault. I too would have and will complain if someone else gets a very similar prefix to mine in the future. But the blame will be fairly and squarely laid at the feet of the governing body who can't seem to get their act together and do their job properly. I knew someone nearly 20 years ago that complained about a prefix being issued that was nearly identical to theirs, nothing was done in their case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sniffalot Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 After speaking with Dogs Vic the prefix fits the criteria and they have no problem with it, it's just that another member has complained that as we have the same breed and both our prefixes start with the same four letters that we may be confused. The withdrawn has been made on the grounds a compaint was lodged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leema Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 In border terriers, there is a kennel called Glenboyd and a kennel called Glenbogle. One is in NSW and one in Vic, but I still have many people talk to me confused between these two breeders. If I complained now, does that mean that they'd have change all their paperwork? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayrod Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 The regulations for registration of a Prefix are printed below. Unfortunately having to wait for prefixes being printed in the gazette (some months later) for someone to object may be a contributing factor to the delay in someone objecting to the prefix granted. REGULATIONS FOR THE CONDUCT OF THE NATIONAL PREFIX REGISTER 1. Each ANKC Ltd Member Body shall receive applications for registration of prefixes, from members residing in the State or Territory under their control, and shall forward them to the National Prefix Registrar for processing. 2. The National Prefix Registrar shall deal only with the ANKC Ltd Member Body and shall not enter into discussion, or correspondence with any person without the express approval of the Member Body through which the application was lodged. 3. The applications shall be submitted on the prescribed form, and shall include two (2) alternative selections of names in order of preference. 4. A prefix name application is accepted by the National Prefix Register subject to renewal annually, in the State or Territory in which it is registered. 5. An annual maintenance fee shall be charged for all “prefix” on file in the National Prefix Register as at 31st March each year, or such other time as resolved by the National Prefix Registrar. The fee shall be as prescribed by the ANKC Ltd Conference from time to time. 6. A prefix which remains in the Register, and is shown as unfinancial for five (5) consecutive years, shall be transferred to an “inactive file” for a further period of five (5) years, after which time the prefix will be eligible to be reallocated as a prefix. (10/00) (Note - The animal registration system requires that where progeny have been registered bearing the prefix in their name it is essential the prefix not be purged from the file.) 7. A Prefix name shall: (a) be limited to one (1) word consisting of not less than four (4) letters and not more than twelve (12) letters; (03/10) (b) not include numbers, whether in numerals or words; © not include apostrophes, hyphens, or punctuation marks of any kind, however no restrictions shall be placed on the use of the words “von” or “vom”. (d) not include names that are misleading as to sex, or relationship, or any word which may be considered offensive including Surname/First Name, Common Dog Name eg: Celtic – Phoenix. (01/06) (e) not be identical to, or similar in spelling, or phonetically, to a prefix name already registered, which could be deemed to cause misunderstanding, or confusion. Wherever possible, prefix registered with Canine Controlling Bodies overseas shall be protected. (f) not include the name of any breed of dog. (10/00) 8. A prefix name, once accepted and registered shall not be altered, or amended in any manner whatsoever. The name may be cancelled and a new name submitted, however, the new name shall be deemed to be a new application, and processed as such. 3 9. Where a prefix is jointly owned by persons residing in more than one (1) State and/or Territory, the use of the prefix in each of the States and/or Territories in which the joint owners reside is permissible without transfer, providing the prefix name is registered, and maintained, in each State and/or Territory in which the prefix name is to be used. The registration procedures in each State or Territory in which the prefix is to be used shall apply for all registration purposes. 10. Appeals Where an objection is raised to the registration of a prefix name, the objection must be in writing, and lodged with the ANKC Ltd Member Body in the state or Territory in which the objector resides. (a) Where an objection is raised to a prefix registered with the ANKC Ltd Member Body in the State or Territory in which the objector resides - the objection shall be considered by that Member Body, and the decision of that Member Body shall be final. (b) Where an objection is raised to a prefix registered with the ANKC Ltd Member Body in another State or Territory to that in which the objector resides - the objection shall be referred to the National Prefix Registrar who shall consider the objection and decide what action, if any, be taken. © Where a Member Body is unwilling to accept the decision of the Registrar, the Member Body may lodge an appeal with the ANKC Ltd Administrator for consideration by Delegates at the next ANKC Ltd Conference. The decision of the ANKC Ltd Conference shall be final and binding on all parties. 11. The applications may be submitted by mail, or fax to expedite delivery, and notification of acceptance or rejection shall be returned, wherever possible, within seven (7) days from the date of receipt. 12. The National Prefix Registrar shall, wherever possible, ensure that the person in control of the Prefix Register is conversant with Prefix names, to ensure the integrity of the file is maintained. 13. A membership may only register one Prefix for a particular breed of dog, but that Prefix may be used by the membership for other breeds. (05/02) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sniffalot Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 Yep that's what happened prefix approved early June, advertised in the gazette in September and an objection placed on the 19th of October but they had up until December to lodge the complaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaY Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Bugger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkyTansy Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 When the other people applied for their prefix first, was it for the same breed as they have now and have they bred any of that breed under their prefix? I only ask because when I applied for my prefix, I put down English Setters as the breed, however my first litter is Weimaraners. If the ANKC didn't know that the people with the original prefix had the same breed, the ANKC might not have checked the breed when you applied for yours. If that is part of the basis for the withdrawal (same breed) you might have more grounds for appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 I know of a person who bought a puppy they received a letter when he was around 6 months of age saying that the breeder was having to change their prefix and if they returned his papers they would be issued a new certificate with the new prefix on it. The reasons stated were the same as yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sniffalot Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 Yes the other perfix is the same breed, l know who it is and the kicker is they had their prefix rejected because it was too similar to another and l was the one who wrote the letter to Dogs Vic for them to appeal the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 l have found out what the other prefix is we have the same start to our prefix and the same breed, the other people don't breed, don't have a website they just show dogs for other people. I know of a number of "same breeds" that start or end with the same first three letters. I can think of two that are very similar, have been around for years and one is exceedingly sucessful in the showring while the other is not. I guess it is all a matter of whether anyone complains (as in your case) or not. I know I didn't get my first choice as it is very similar to another prefix. You have every right to be annoyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sniffalot Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 After pondering this overnight the similarities are very obvious l just didn't see the issue and feel if it was a issue something could have been said earlier not waiting over 5 months Both prefixes start with Bally........... Same breed Same state and we both have the same lastname The other party is concerned we may be confused, l dont know but l'd say even if my prefix is changed we may still be confused our first names are similar too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 After pondering this overnight the similarities are very obvious l just didn't see the issue and feel if it was a issue something could have been said earlier not waiting over 5 months Both prefixes start with Bally........... Same breed Same state and we both have the same lastname The other party is concerned we may be confused, l dont know but l'd say even if my prefix is changed we may still be confused our first names are similar too. Really, I'm surprised it got through with such glaringly obvious similarities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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