Mason_Gibbs Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 agree fully with corvus... all of us are learning constantly about dogs. We all had to learn somewhere, and good on the OP for seeking advice. I also think it's a bit insulting/rude to tell people who are asking for advice on this forum that their dog would get a swift kick in the head from them for rude behaviour...previous threads that have suggested that people would kick dogs in 'defence' were referring to dog fights or aggressive dogs, rather than in this context, where a dog is humping another. I never mentioned kicking a dog in the head, suggest you read the posts more carefully. Humping another dog is a very quick way to start a fight and I won't have mine injured just because of a very rude dog. Not to mention 35 kilo's of "puppy" throwing it's self onto another dogs back, head, wherever is not going to help the dog being jumped on. Defence is protecting your dog from another dog's behaviour. Still no need to kick another dog. The OP was just looking for some advice - i agree that the best way to go would maybe be the dog trainer. Do u take your dog to obedience club/classes?? Maybe he wouldnt get so excited if he came in contact with dogs in a controlled environment more often just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Still no need to kick another dog. The OP was just looking for some advice - i agree that the best way to go would maybe be the dog trainer. Do u take your dog to obedience club/classes?? Maybe he wouldnt get so excited if he came in contact with dogs in a controlled environment more often just my opinion. you wait until you have a dog with a bad back or neck jumped on by 35 kilos of out of control mutt. You wait until your dog is turned into a shivering mess because it had 35 kilos of out of control mutt jump on it. I will protect my dog from illmannered dogs and owners by what ever means I see fit. It's why I also walk locally carrying a riding crop. I could care less what you think I should or shouldn't do, control your bloody dogs, stop using their breed as an excuse and there will never be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Her Majesty Dogmad Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 At the very least I'd be yanking any dog off that did this or yelling at you to do the same. That's if you were in the vicinity - far too many dog owners in the local parks here are far away gossiping and can't even hear the commotions that ensue when their pets are antisocial and badly behaved. How many times have you seen someone trying to get in the gate of a dog park being bailed up by a number of other dogs .... I've even got a friend who couldn't understand why her 2 large barking dogs at the gate were an issue, no she was busy catching up with others while other people were yelling at her dogs to get out of the way and their own dogs were normally terrified. Just not good enough. I don't understand why people have to be so selfish and stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 It's not that hard to protect your dog from humpers. For a while there, Erik was a veritable hump magnet, typically for large breeds. They never exactly 'flung' themselves at him to the point where I was concerned for his safety. Like any well socialised dog, he warns before he snaps, so there's time for me to just pull the dog off if it doesn't let go on its own. I never had to kick a dog or shout at its owner. I have held a dog's collar and waited pointedly for the owner to materialise and take it away. That works. Before E we had a small, elderly corgi with a bad back. She just never even got humped in the first place. She was a bit frail and grumpy, so we kept her close to us and just headed any dog off before they could get to her, so no dog ever got a chance to hump her. If it came to it, I would push a dog away with my hands. It was the most that was ever needed and I was always apologetic to the dog's owner. "Sorry, she's old and grumpy and sore." It's not very hard to be polite about it, and in return people were very understanding and they would take our apology as a message to keep their dog away from her. I think you are rude to other dog owners at your own peril. They are your first line of defence if your dogs ever get out or get stolen. They are the concerned public that will keep their eyes peeled for you, and pull over to get your dogs to safety if they see them on the road by themselves. They are the ones that will rush to help you if your dogs get into danger, and warn you when there is danger you are unaware of. They are the friendly nod when you're out walking your dogs in hideous weather, and the understanding sympathy when you have a dog ailing, injured, or recently given their wings. Personally, I don't care what you want to do. You be rude if that's what you think you have to do, or if you don't care to be anything else. I will smile and make friends and consider it money in the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raineth Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 I wish people would stop referring to anyone who doesn't know as much about dog behaviour as they do as an idiot. Ignorance and idiocy are totally different things. completely agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) Rebanne i have had dogs attack ( yes actually attack my dog) i have still never had to kick the other dog - kick the owners its their fault. My dog would never upset your dog he is beautifully behaved, very submissive and even has an obedience title. Get over your hatred of labs, not all of them are as you think ETA - my dog has been humped heaps by others as he is so so submissive, i dont like it but i deal with it like an adult and as he is well adjusted he doesnt have a total breakdown Edited November 3, 2011 by Mason_Gibbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Rebanne i have had dogs attack ( yes actually attack my dog) i have still never had to kick the other dog - kick the owners its their fault. My dog would never upset your dog he is beautifully behaved, very submissive and even has an obedience title. Get over your hatred of labs, not all of them are as you think ETA - my dog has been humped heaps by others as he is so so submissive, i dont like it but i deal with it like an adult and as he is well adjusted he doesnt have a total breakdown My bosses chocolate lab got attacked by 2 wandering dogs while he was being walked on lead. The first thing this lab did was get into the submissive pose, probably saved his life. Labs are so gorgeous, I had one growing up, she was a black stray who found us and we eventually took her in but she died of paralysis ticks :cry: such good family dogs they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazydoglady Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 This is one of the biggest issues in our local dog park. There is a woman with two male staffies, both entire, that is there all the time. These two dogs gang up and try to dominate every other dog there. One day, I was keeping an eye on my sister in laws doberman that we were looking after, when they grabbed my bull arab. She was caught in the middle of these two male dogs. The behaviour was frightening. One would hold the muzzle while the other would try to get on. Stella really hates it as it is, but this was something else. I lost my mind as Stella was obviously very distressed, while this woman was sitting with this group of people ages away and totally oblivious to what was happening. I was so mad, I went over and gave her a mouthful and told her that is is unacceptable aggressive behaviour and they should not be here. Her response? They are alright, they just want to play. .......What? I just had to walk away before I hit her. We leave straight away if we see her now, alot of other people do too. Its like a mass walk out. But, that been said, maybe yours is just excited. This is just another sad story of an idiot, not ignorance. It is really good that you are asking for help, and this forum can be a great source of information and support. Sorry for the long post, it wasn't meant to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacqui835 Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 This is one of the biggest issues in our local dog park. There is a woman with two male staffies, both entire, that is there all the time. These two dogs gang up and try to dominate every other dog there. One day, I was keeping an eye on my sister in laws doberman that we were looking after, when they grabbed my bull arab. She was caught in the middle of these two male dogs. The behaviour was frightening. One would hold the muzzle while the other would try to get on. Stella really hates it as it is, but this was something else. I lost my mind as Stella was obviously very distressed, while this woman was sitting with this group of people ages away and totally oblivious to what was happening. I was so mad, I went over and gave her a mouthful and told her that is is unacceptable aggressive behaviour and they should not be here. Her response? They are alright, they just want to play. .......What? I just had to walk away before I hit her. We leave straight away if we see her now, alot of other people do too. Its like a mass walk out. But, that been said, maybe yours is just excited. This is just another sad story of an idiot, not ignorance. It is really good that you are asking for help, and this forum can be a great source of information and support. Sorry for the long post, it wasn't meant to be. Gosh how terrifying. I don't usually bother trying to talk to the owners of poorly behaved dogs. I figure if they're the sort of people that don't supervise their dogs when off-lead, they're not going to be of much use. Now I certainly don't kick any dog just for humping or wanting to dominate my dog, but I do shoo them off, and I try to assert myself so they back off and realise that if they touch my dog, they'll get trouble from me. I find almost all dogs respond to this well, except for the huskies and more independent breeds who just evade. My dog is entire and strangely it's been my experience that we have far less problems with the other entire dogs than what we do with the desexed. I think unfortunately sometimes people think that by desexing their dog, they remove the need for training and just assume their dog will be fine by itself. I also think though that for whatever reason, some desexed dogs are weirded out by entire dogs because my dog does get sniffed more than most dogs in the park - often he has a following. It's weird, but sometimes dogs will try and hump him at first (always desexed dogs), and when he evades and doesn't submit, they follow him around the park like some sort of party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 I worry most about dogs rushing us. Happened yesterday. I let them get a good distance away before I entered the park and walked the other direction. As soon as the dog saw us it made a beeline for us As fast as it could and intense expression. Now while it may have been friendly just very rude I have had one of mine attacked before and the one I was walking does not like being rushed at by other dogs so I did not want to take the chance and end up with a fight. I yelled out for the owner to call their dog (they had been cleaning up after it), thankfully they did before it got too close and they then put it on lead Gave me a scare though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerRottweiler Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Bad mannered dogs are part and parcel of the dog park scene. If you don't like it and appreciate the risks, don't go there. That doesn't mean people who knowingly take bad mannered dogs to dog parks should be encouraged to continue doing so. You're right. I've just noticed that lot of people on here complain about dog parks....yet they persist on taking their dogs to them. There are risks involved, bad/rude/dangerous dogs all falling within the ambit of possibility. I take my dog to the dog park, I do realise that other dogs may cause problems, but he's a male Rottweiler. If I had a small dog, I'd never take it to a dog park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agility Dogs Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Bad mannered dogs are part and parcel of the dog park scene. If you don't like it and appreciate the risks, don't go there. That doesn't mean people who knowingly take bad mannered dogs to dog parks should be encouraged to continue doing so. You're right. I've just noticed that lot of people on here complain about dog parks....yet they persist on taking their dogs to them. There are risks involved, bad/rude/dangerous dogs all falling within the ambit of possibility. I take my dog to the dog park, I do realise that other dogs may cause problems, but he's a male Rottweiler. If I had a small dog, I'd never take it to a dog park. This is exactly why we don't go near them any more, my dogs just don't cope in that environment so I don't ask them to. Anyone who knowingly takes a dog that 'has a go at everyone' to a dog park is part of the problem and should be judged accordingly. Once might be an accident, twice a coincidence, but three times is a pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMatic Posted November 4, 2011 Author Share Posted November 4, 2011 Agility dogs if that is in reference to myself, this has happened once. Two days ago. Some great replies and advice here - thanks all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMatic Posted November 4, 2011 Author Share Posted November 4, 2011 I break up the attempted humping as soon as I can see it coming: i.e. call him off, which typically does not work (bad recall when excited, yep, training fail on my behalf), so grab by collar to separate.I never just allow the hump to happen - no way! That could get real ugly. Might just reiterate this statement also, for those who have assumed that I'm allowing my dog to run at large, menacing all those we come across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemyrottie Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 people take shit way too serious like it's the end of the world because the dog made a mistake of being "rude" by humping another dog, shit happens and you learn from it to correct it. however, i would pull my dog off if he tried to hump another dog for whatever reason but if somebody kicked my dog over it i'd show them how it feels to have a fist embedded in their face and go ahead sue me over something that you made a huge deal out of because like there isn't bigger things in life than that :rolleyes: yes, i know it can set another dog off and start a fight but what if it was a one off thing then who's to blame? no, i'm not a professional dog anything and i don't know about dogs as most of you more experienced people probably would but all of you had to start somewhere didn't you? and as for my conclusion, life goes on and you learn from your mistakes and experiences to make something better out of it or change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Well said lovemyrotti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Big, small, giant or medium. Male or female. My Lab has a "go" at everyone. Yesterday he tried to sideways-hump an absolutely massive shepherd, it was comical - but terrible manners - and I'm a bit concerned as to why he feels this need to dominate every dog he meets. Understandably, the other dogs to meet his acquaintance tend to feel a little miffed by it. Other than that, his manners are fine, loves to play, never aggressive, just... tries to hump everyone. Normal behaviour or not? Will he grow out of it? Should I actively try to train him out of it? AlaniMatic - that's your Opening Post. Sure looks like it's a recurring behaviour - not "once two days ago". Humping is fun. Like wanking is fun. It's not acceptable in an off lead dog park so stop your dog even trying it. If you've got no recall when your dog is excited and distracted by other dogs - don't let him off lead in a dog park full of distracting exciting dogs. It is possible to train better manners. Good advice has been given in this thread. Work at a distance where your dog still has some self control - and reward that. Do not reward his excitement and rude behaviour by letting him go hump (attempt or actual). And if he's prone to having a go at everyone - it looks like he's had plenty of reward for doing it - so it will take a while to train him to be more polite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasels Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 (edited) It's not that hard to protect your dog from humpers. For a while there, Erik was a veritable hump magnet, typically for large breeds. They never exactly 'flung' ... people take shit way too serious like it's the end of the world because the dog made a mistake of being "rude" by humping another dog, shit happens and you ... Agree and agree. Dogs don't pop out fully trained, and sometimes a behaviour you've never seen before will just appear and catch you off guard. I imagine it's a rare dog owner indeed whose dogs have never annoyed or frightened anyone else. There are only 2 dogs in the park that I am concerned about: mine. If a dog tries to hump Weez I either call him away and put me between him and the dog, or send Weez out of harm's way with a 'go' command. If the owner wants to discuss the problem I am happy to recommend training resources for them. If they couldn't care less I remember who they are and avoid them in future. And likewise I certainly appreciate any understanding shown to me if my dogs do something I wasn't expecting that someone else find rude. (edited for rogue apostrophe) Edited November 4, 2011 by Weasels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Humping is fun. Like wanking is fun. It's not acceptable in an off lead dog park sorry but yes keep your humpers and wankers ON LEAD AND UNDER EFFECTIVE CONTROL AT ALL TIMES :rofl: not productive at all was it :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazydoglady Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I always try to pick my times to go to the park when it is quiet, normally during the day. The weekends and late afternoons are really busy, so we don't go then. I take mine there because she gets alot of enjoyment out of it. She loves it and I am not going to take that away from her. I am more than aware that alot of dogs that go can be problem dogs. People need to take responsibility for their own dogs. That is the problem, they don't! I wasn't complaining about the dog park, just telling what happened to be one incident. I rarely have a problem because we go when its quieter. Also, Stella normally sticks to the same dogs that go to our park, so I know she is ok with them. They have a wonderful time together. I hope the original poster can forgive us all for hijacking his post and I hope that you got the advice you needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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