Fordogs Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 If I have been sent a photograph regarding a dog that I previously bred and owned do I then own that photo??? and can I then publish that photo and make comments?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
becks Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 You should ask permission of the photographer first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordogs Posted October 24, 2011 Author Share Posted October 24, 2011 They will never give it because it would portray them in a negative manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowenhart Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 The photographer owns the rights to all images they take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordogs Posted October 24, 2011 Author Share Posted October 24, 2011 This photograph is a copy xray of a puppy I bred and owned by these people for only 2 weeks then they had her Put to Sleep and told me that she had Hip Dysplasia --- NOT. This is a follow on to PLEASE TELL ME WHY WE BREED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 (edited) so it's not a photograph of a dog, it a photograph of an xray? And it was sent to you openly and above board? Did the person sending it know you wanted to share it with others? eta missing word Edited October 24, 2011 by Rebanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordogs Posted October 24, 2011 Author Share Posted October 24, 2011 I doubt very much that they thought that I would keep it private, after all they had the puppy euthanized and they refused to have the xray sent to a radiology specialist, as her breeder she should have been returned to me rather than have her euthanized. I am sure that anyone in my position would have already published this photo especially as they are threatening me with legal action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I wouldn't be publishing anything. Seems to me you need to talk to a lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordogs Posted October 24, 2011 Author Share Posted October 24, 2011 That is exactly what I will be doing, I know that she was put to sleep for some reason and it wasn't for bad hips they look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pebbles Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Wasn't there a topic a while back as to who actually 'owns' Xrays? I think it was decided that the Vet 'owns' them for a certain number of years. Does this make any difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 I wouldn't be publishing anything. Seems to me you need to talk to a lawyer. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missymoo Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Wtf!?? They want to sue YOU?? What for? I'm sorry FD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordogs Posted October 26, 2011 Author Share Posted October 26, 2011 I have spoken to a Lawyer today and he has said that if the picture was freely given to me then it is mine to do as I wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 That is exactly what I will be doing, I know that she was put to sleep for some reason and it wasn't for bad hips they look good. Was that a professional assessment or just your experience? I'm assuming you've had your people look at them? I remember your original thread, it was heartbreaking. But legally (and I'm not saying what they did was right) isn't the dog theirs to do with as they wish? If their vet advised them to have it PTS then this is something they can do. Although why on earth they didn't call you and see if you could get a second opinion 'dog' only knows. Especially given the short time frame, it's not like they had the dog for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordogs Posted October 29, 2011 Author Share Posted October 29, 2011 Liz, not wanting to Hijack my own thread but,,, Please tell me what vet would xray a dog first then go ahead and do the desexing if they thought the hips looked to be stuffed?? Owners said that the puppy had HD, spoke to 2 vets and both deny that they said she had HD and should be PTS so (1) owners are telling lies (2) vets are telling lies (3) the puppy had no previous history of being lame. Yes, as New Owner they had every right to do as they like but why put her to sleep then expect me to refund the puppy price plus money spent when I cannot prove other wise as she is dead and buried all I have is a photo of her xray which is of poor quality. As yet I do not have a copy of their vets diagnosis (which is odd as they did send me the opinion of another local vet) and the end result is dead puppy. It is always the poor bloody dog that has to suffer. If they had been willing to have a professional look at the xray as I asked this would all be over for them and me. Yes I have a professional opinion of the xray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozjen Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 (edited) If I have been sent a photograph regarding a dog that I previously bred and owned do I then own that photo??? and can I then publish that photo and make comments?? No, the copyright remains with the person that took the photo. Even with proffessional photos that you pay for copies of you can not copy it in any form without the permission of the photographer. ieYou pay for the photo not the copyright. I work in photographics and daily have to explian to people that regardless of them owning a photo this does not mean they own the copyright and I can not copy their photos. To do so would leave me ina position of libility as well as the company I work for. ETA Sorry just read the rest of the thread. Edited October 29, 2011 by ozjen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Liz, not wanting to Hijack my own thread but,,, Please tell me what vet would xray a dog first then go ahead and do the desexing if they thought the hips looked to be stuffed?? Owners said that the puppy had HD, spoke to 2 vets and both deny that they said she had HD and should be PTS so (1) owners are telling lies (2) vets are telling lies (3) the puppy had no previous history of being lame. Yes, as New Owner they had every right to do as they like but why put her to sleep then expect me to refund the puppy price plus money spent when I cannot prove other wise as she is dead and buried all I have is a photo of her xray which is of poor quality. As yet I do not have a copy of their vets diagnosis (which is odd as they did send me the opinion of another local vet) and the end result is dead puppy. It is always the poor bloody dog that has to suffer. If they had been willing to have a professional look at the xray as I asked this would all be over for them and me. Yes I have a professional opinion of the xray. No Fordogs you are right. Something in this whole sad saga just doesn't jell does it. It makes no sense at all. Why X-ray a dog before desexing? That isn't routine. Why if the x-rays showed HD desex it? Why not contact the breeder since the dog was only purchased a few short week earlier? No, much of this whole sad tale make little sense. And yes, it's the poor dog that paid the ultimate price and the family and you that have suffered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordogs Posted November 1, 2011 Author Share Posted November 1, 2011 The results are in ..................... Because of the situation I had to have a professional read the xray .......... The total hip score is 6 so she had very good hips well below the breed average of 13.07. No real joy in that for anyone unfortunately but it does help me somewhat regarding my breeding. ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 (edited) The results are in ..................... Because of the situation I had to have a professional read the xray .......... The total hip score is 6 so she had very good hips well below the breed average of 13.07. No real joy in that for anyone unfortunately but it does help me somewhat regarding my breeding. ......... So now what? A 'class action" with you and the owners who were going by the vets diagnosis of HD. Although you say Vet(s) deny saying she had HD, why then was this poor pup PTS? For limping? Did it overdo things playing with kids and other dog and do a cruiate ligament or tendon or something entirely different and completely out of your control? Although as you say "no real joy" in knowing it didn't have a hip problem, as there are still questions that need answering. But do take what comfort you can in knowing your breeding program is on track. Edited November 2, 2011 by LizT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 please, if you are going the lawyer route get this thread and the other deleted, I realise you need somewhere to vent and hash things out but it shouldn't be on a public forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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