Showing Bitches In Season

[Rebanne]

I have and will do so again, until they make rules against it then bitches in season will be shown whether people agree with it or not.

Dogs in the obedience ring have to perform off lead and do complex exercises sometimes up to 10 minutes, with showing "your" time lasts about a minute.

It is quite easy to see why the dog world can never be united in any subject other than ones' own self interest when comments are made that show an obvious disregard for fellow exhibitors. I can only begin to imagine the uproar if I took my full in season bitch onto a ground being used for obedience etc.

Apart from the obvious problems caused by both actions I would like to think that we would all show some consideration to fellow dog people. Then maybe Ive' been bought up wrong.

so you make sure your male dog is toileted well away from the ring and other peoples belongings? Cause it annoys me when dogs piss all over everything.

I showed my bitch in standing heat at the Melb Royal one year, told others near me that my bitch was in season, no problems. Showed my bitch in the early days of her season a couple of times, kept her locked up, toileted her away from everyone etc, wish some of the owners of male dogs were as considerate.

[Andisa]

I have and will do so again, until they make rules against it then bitches in season will be shown whether people agree with it or not.

Dogs in the obedience ring have to perform off lead and do complex exercises sometimes up to 10 minutes, with showing "your" time lasts about a minute.

It is quite easy to see why the dog world can never be united in any subject other than ones' own self interest when comments are made that show an obvious disregard for fellow exhibitors. I can only begin to imagine the uproar if I took my full in season bitch onto a ground being used for obedience etc.

Apart from the obvious problems caused by both actions I would like to think that we would all show some consideration to fellow dog people. Then maybe Ive' been bought up wrong.

so you make sure your male dog is toileted well away from the ring and other peoples belongings? Cause it annoys me when dogs piss all over everything.

I showed my bitch in standing heat at the Melb Royal one year, told others near me that my bitch was in season, no problems. Showed my bitch in the early days of her season a couple of times, kept her locked up, toileted her away from everyone etc, wish some of the owners of male dogs were as considerate.

This ^.

I have shown my pug bitch in season (not standing) and I did warn others that she was in - even told the judges and they thanked me for letting them know. I keep wipes in my pockets if they need it and will do a quick wipe over the table if she dripped on it. The male stud dog who was sharing the same gazebo as us knew she was in season but was happy enough to sleep during the day.

Personally I have bigger issues with people who toilet their dogs ON THE STAKES HOLDING THE ROPES around the rings - that is very poor taste. How would they like the job of packing them away after dogs have pissed on them all day. Oh and those who are too friggen lazy to pick up after their dogs when they crap .

A few weeks ago at Bulla an exhibitor left grooming tools just beside our gazebo and when she came out of the ring she asked me if I knew where it went. Did a quick look around and pointed to a lady nearby and asked it that was hers - she asked her and she admitted to taking it. Just lucky I saw the tools on the ground, I would have hated it if she thought I took it.

I think there are far worse things that go on in/around the ring than a bitch in season.

eta: I have taken my male Rottweiler to shows (not entered) when the girls are in season (and stay home) so he has time away from them - no doubts there are dozens of bitches in season at the shows but he has not been bothered by them (yet). He has not been used at stud but lets me know a month before the girls come in and he lets me know when they are "ripe".

Edited October 22, 2011 by Andisa

[Ceilidh]

And then there are the 'new' show people who are obviously 'new' dog owners who think that if a bitch has been bleeding for two weeks she is nearly out of season grrrr. And their bitch's breeder who tells you to suck it up because another dog in your breed didn't react to her? When you parade your standing bitch around and let her pee everywhere of couse dogs are going to react. And yes, when my dog just wants to lick the ground where your bitch has peed and keep his head down looking for more spots and chatters his teeth and foams at the mouth in the ring then I am going to be majorly pissed off!!! So I say suck it up yourself princess and educate your puppy buyers on the doggy facts of life!

[klink]

My original post asked about bitches shown when in full season ( standing ) I too have shown bitches early in their cycle but I will never show a bitch in FULL season. Unfortunately many do and I am of the opinion that this shows disregard for fellow exhibitors

Some males handle it alright but many dont' and should not be subjected to the stress etc. of a bitch,ready to mate standing in front of them in the conformation ring. (sorry for it being conformation )

When did we start showing for sheep stations ?

Have we all become so desperate that we cant' dare to miss a show ?

People allowing their dog or bitch to urinate any where without consideration to other people and their property should be shown up for what they are....ignorant

We all need to be a little less concerned about ourselves and sometimes think of others around us.

[WreckitWhippet]

I show , full season or not and if my own dogs can behave in the ring, when they are in then that's fine with me.

Bitches are often at a disadvantage in the ring anyway and you often have to have a superior bitch to beat an average male. They are often less impressive in coat and muscle etc. Add to that the fact they come into season, get moody, blow coat, phantom and whatever else the lovelies chuck at you, I take every showing opportunity with them.

If others can't handle their males when bitches are in season, that's their problem. I keep my bitches fanny in it's crate and away from others and make sure I'm not putting it in dogs faces on the way to the ring. This topic comes up time and again and it's the conformation ring, they are being judged on conformation, unlike obedience and the dogs sports.

[cowanbree]

I show , full season or not and if my own dogs can behave in the ring, when they are in then that's fine with me.

I am betting you don't have a entire male that is unshowable when there are in season bitch's near? I think the first time you do, you might change your opinion. You can not train against instinct and some dogs have a stronger drive than others. Bitch's have to stay home for 2 weeks a year, surely that is not too much to ask.

[DobieMum]

I have shown with a bitch in season, but now never again. I have learnt this lesson through agility. We train on a Thursday night on the same grounds that people have shown at the weekend before and you can always tell when there was a bitch on heat at the show. People are saying that their male dogs are trained not to react to the show and to show well, not so the agility dogs. Dogs that usually perform well are running around with their noses on the ground, not listening when the owners are calling and this is 4 days later.

[klink]

I show , full season or not and if my own dogs can behave in the ring, when they are in then that's fine with me.

Bitches are often at a disadvantage in the ring anyway and you often have to have a superior bitch to beat an average male. They are often less impressive in coat and muscle etc. Add to that the fact they come into season, get moody, blow coat, phantom and whatever else the lovelies chuck at you, I take every showing opportunity with them.

If others can't handle their males when bitches are in season, that's their problem. I keep my bitches fanny in it's crate and away from others and make sure I'm not putting it in dogs faces on the way to the ring. This topic comes up time and again and it's the conformation ring, they are being judged on conformation, unlike obedience and the dogs sports.

Pav lova. I guess we should not be surprised at your comments, it makes me wonder what else you might have to do to assure yourself of a win.A very disapointing attitude towards participtating in our sport.

[oakway]

I show , full season or not and if my own dogs can behave in the ring, when they are in then that's fine with me.

I am betting you don't have a entire male that is unshowable when there are in season bitch's near? I think the first time you do, you might change your opinion. You can not train against instinct and some dogs have a stronger drive than others. Bitch's have to stay home for 2 weeks a year, surely that is not too much to ask.

Sorry but I show bitches in full season and travel my males with her and they show well.

I can guarantee you that I have taken home said bitch and mated her to said dog and travelled them again the next day and shown both with no problems what so ever. It's a show ring and the dogs are trained to show. I just think it's all in the training.

I have had friends come up and ask if they can give the dog a good wif of her because he shows better. It can work both ways.

[WreckitWhippet]

I show , full season or not and if my own dogs can behave in the ring, when they are in then that's fine with me.

I am betting you don't have a entire male that is unshowable when there are in season bitch's near? I think the first time you do, you might change your opinion. You can not train against instinct and some dogs have a stronger drive than others. Bitch's have to stay home for 2 weeks a year, surely that is not too much to ask.

I've shown about 9 males to their titles, different breeds, different levels of drive , stud dogs and dogs that would be onto a bitch in an insatnt to mate. I've been showing over 15 years and have never had a problem with my dogs showing when my bitches or others are in season.

You can train your dogs to focus on you, if I can anyone can.

[WreckitWhippet]

I show , full season or not and if my own dogs can behave in the ring, when they are in then that's fine with me.

Bitches are often at a disadvantage in the ring anyway and you often have to have a superior bitch to beat an average male. They are often less impressive in coat and muscle etc. Add to that the fact they come into season, get moody, blow coat, phantom and whatever else the lovelies chuck at you, I take every showing opportunity with them.

If others can't handle their males when bitches are in season, that's their problem. I keep my bitches fanny in it's crate and away from others and make sure I'm not putting it in dogs faces on the way to the ring. This topic comes up time and again and it's the conformation ring, they are being judged on conformation, unlike obedience and the dogs sports.

Pav lova. I guess we should not be surprised at your comments, it makes me wonder what else you might have to do to assure yourself of a win.A very disapointing attitude towards participtating in our sport.

assure myself of a win

I train my dogs, put a lot of time and effort into them, socialise them well and have them focused on me, that's how I assure my dogs of doing well.

Exhibitors will complain about anything when their dogs play up, from the side show rides, to the wood chop, generators, sheep and roo poo on the grass, mud, prickles, the heat, the cold, bitches in season, tents flapping in the wind, anything and everything they'll complain about and blame everything but their own training or lack there of.

[-Megz-]

I show , full season or not and if my own dogs can behave in the ring, when they are in then that's fine with me.

Bitches are often at a disadvantage in the ring anyway and you often have to have a superior bitch to beat an average male. They are often less impressive in coat and muscle etc. Add to that the fact they come into season, get moody, blow coat, phantom and whatever else the lovelies chuck at you, I take every showing opportunity with them.

If others can't handle their males when bitches are in season, that's their problem. I keep my bitches fanny in it's crate and away from others and make sure I'm not putting it in dogs faces on the way to the ring. This topic comes up time and again and it's the conformation ring, they are being judged on conformation, unlike obedience and the dogs sports.

Pav lova. I guess we should not be surprised at your comments, it makes me wonder what else you might have to do to assure yourself of a win.A very disapointing attitude towards participtating in our sport.

My mother always taught me if I had nothing nice to say to keep my mouth (fingers) shut.

You add nothing to the topic except to try to belittle someone giving an opinion.

We rarely show a bitch in season but when you are entering between 10-12 per show, leaving one at home is a relief sometimes. We have bought a bitch in season to the Hound Club specialty before but she remained in the trailer except when it was her turn and was returned there after she was finished.

[-Megz-]

I show , full season or not and if my own dogs can behave in the ring, when they are in then that's fine with me.

Bitches are often at a disadvantage in the ring anyway and you often have to have a superior bitch to beat an average male. They are often less impressive in coat and muscle etc. Add to that the fact they come into season, get moody, blow coat, phantom and whatever else the lovelies chuck at you, I take every showing opportunity with them.

If others can't handle their males when bitches are in season, that's their problem. I keep my bitches fanny in it's crate and away from others and make sure I'm not putting it in dogs faces on the way to the ring. This topic comes up time and again and it's the conformation ring, they are being judged on conformation, unlike obedience and the dogs sports.

Pav lova. I guess we should not be surprised at your comments, it makes me wonder what else you might have to do to assure yourself of a win.A very disapointing attitude towards participtating in our sport.

assure myself of a win

I train my dogs, put a lot of time and effort into them, socialise them well and have them focused on me, that's how I assure my dogs of doing well.

Exhibitors will complain about anything when their dogs play up, from the side show rides, to the wood chop, generators, sheep and roo poo on the grass, mud, prickles, the heat, the cold, bitches in season, tents flapping in the wind, anything and everything they'll complain about and blame everything but their own training or lack there of.

The judge was too rough, the judge had a hat on, the person behind ran up my butt, the person in front went to slow.... :laugh:

[LizT]

I have and will do so again, until they make rules against it then bitches in season will be shown whether people agree with it or not.

Dogs in the obedience ring have to perform off lead and do complex exercises sometimes up to 10 minutes, with showing "your" time lasts about a minute.

It is quite easy to see why the dog world can never be united in any subject other than ones' own self interest when comments are made that show an obvious disregard for fellow exhibitors. I can only begin to imagine the uproar if I took my full in season bitch onto a ground being used for obedience etc.

Apart from the obvious problems caused by both actions I would like to think that we would all show some consideration to fellow dog people. Then maybe Ive' been bought up wrong.

Well at the Royals the obedience/agility dogs are usually seated where the conformation dogs were in the previous days and I saw people toilet their dogs in the obedience area, they actually moved the fencing put there to stop people doing so (some where in season too)........I never read about any uproar or bitching from triallers about lack of consideration from exhibitors. The only people who seem to whinge about bitches in season are exhibitors themselves.

I showed my bitch at this years Royal, I very rarely get to attend the Royal so wanted to go this year, my bitch happened to come into season the week before we were meant to show. I let everyone know around me she was in season and guess what? Everyone was fine with it and no dogs carried on like pork chops.

I would still like to know why people want to ban the one thing that shows that a bitch is entire and able to be bred when the whole point behind showing is too "better the breed"?

I've even heard people say "Is there a bitch in season around? My boys really brightened up since he came over to the ring".

I think if people just remember protocol and manners, bes considerate and give everyone else some space, regardless of dogs sex, breeding status etc. everyone will have a better day.

[Rebanne]

I have shown with a bitch in season, but now never again. I have learnt this lesson through agility. We train on a Thursday night on the same grounds that people have shown at the weekend before and you can always tell when there was a bitch on heat at the show. People are saying that their male dogs are trained not to react to the show and to show well, not so the agility dogs. Dogs that usually perform well are running around with their noses on the ground, not listening when the owners are calling and this is 4 days later.

so now we should not show in case there is something happening on the same ground days later, phfftt.

[emery]

I haven't shown a bitch in full season yet but if it was a big important show i might it would depend on cost, travel, etc.

In saying that i have shown a bitch when first in and towards end of season at minor shows, and royal

[Sayreovi]

I have shown with a bitch in season, but now never again. I have learnt this lesson through agility. We train on a Thursday night on the same grounds that people have shown at the weekend before and you can always tell when there was a bitch on heat at the show. People are saying that their male dogs are trained not to react to the show and to show well, not so the agility dogs. Dogs that usually perform well are running around with their noses on the ground, not listening when the owners are calling and this is 4 days later.

so now we should not show in case there is something happening on the same ground days later, phfftt.

Hahaha I agree Rebanne, sorry but that is a pathetic excuse blaming bitches being on the ground several days earlier!

There is usually a bitch in season (or a dozen of them! ;)) at every show, so unless this happens at every single training session than it's not the smells that are the problem.......

[yarracully]

I have and will do so again, until they make rules against it then bitches in season will be shown whether people agree with it or not.

Dogs in the obedience ring have to perform off lead and do complex exercises sometimes up to 10 minutes, with showing "your" time lasts about a minute.

It is quite easy to see why the dog world can never be united in any subject other than ones' own self interest when comments are made that show an obvious disregard for fellow exhibitors. I can only begin to imagine the uproar if I took my full in season bitch onto a ground being used for obedience etc.Apart from the obvious problems caused by both actions I would like to think that we would all show some consideration to fellow dog people. Then maybe Ive' been bought up wrong.

Yes but Obedience schedules and rules all state that a bitch in Oestrus can not be present. No such ruling for conformation shows.

Another thing is many of the shows in our area are usually held on public ovals where general public quite often let their dogs run offlead. Even while a show is in progress. As such its impossible to stop bitches in season being on the grounds either during or before a show. I have travelled with upto thirteen dogs in a trailer last weekend- 4 are entire males. There were two bitches in season also in the trailer and each night there was not a peep out of any of them. It was not by choice but it was the only option available under the circumstances.

But then I do use certain additions to their food which helps mask the scent of a bitch in season

Edited October 23, 2011 by yarracully

[OSoSwift]

I have and will do so again, until they make rules against it then bitches in season will be shown whether people agree with it or not.

Dogs in the obedience ring have to perform off lead and do complex exercises sometimes up to 10 minutes, with showing "your" time lasts about a minute.

It is quite easy to see why the dog world can never be united in any subject other than ones' own self interest when comments are made that show an obvious disregard for fellow exhibitors. I can only begin to imagine the uproar if I took my full in season bitch onto a ground being used for obedience etc.Apart from the obvious problems caused by both actions I would like to think that we would all show some consideration to fellow dog people. Then maybe Ive' been bought up wrong.

Yes but Obedience schedules and rules all state that a bitch in Oestrus can not be present. No such ruling for conformation shows.

At the shows I go to there is. The obedience is around 20 metres from the show rings. While they ask people not to take their bitches into the areas roped off, they can and do walk all around the area toileting dogs. They are male and female and I am quite sure there could be bitches in seaon amongst them.

[yarracully]

I have and will do so again, until they make rules against it then bitches in season will be shown whether people agree with it or not.

Dogs in the obedience ring have to perform off lead and do complex exercises sometimes up to 10 minutes, with showing "your" time lasts about a minute.

It is quite easy to see why the dog world can never be united in any subject other than ones' own self interest when comments are made that show an obvious disregard for fellow exhibitors. I can only begin to imagine the uproar if I took my full in season bitch onto a ground being used for obedience etc.Apart from the obvious problems caused by both actions I would like to think that we would all show some consideration to fellow dog people. Then maybe Ive' been bought up wrong.

Yes but Obedience schedules and rules all state that a bitch in Oestrus can not be present. No such ruling for conformation shows.

At the shows I go to there is. The obedience is around 20 metres from the show rings. While they ask people not to take their bitches into the areas roped off, they can and do walk all around the area toileting dogs. They are male and female and I am quite sure there could be bitches in seaon amongst them.

All the obedience schedules I have seen have said no bitches in oestrus. Even had vets check them at one weekend in SA. But never seen the rule on a confirmation schedule and never seen a dog vet checked at a confirmation show.

We have a show weekend coming up soon with three shows. At the same weekend the local obedience club is also having a three trial weekend at another oval. We were looking at combining the two clubs for the one weekend as it could benefit both events but for this very reason we didn't