Chris the Rebel Wolf Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Some puposes we have bred dogs for are ........ Waste Consumption....... Can anyone enlighten me on this :confused: That one raised by eyebrow too CC... I wondered if it was a weird wording for small ratters and the type but terriers aren't mentioned in this article. A load of rubbish. Some friends of mine own a very lovely mareema, very much a family dog. And one of the nicest ever dogs I've met at work is an Anatolian. Waltzed right up to me as friendly and outgoing as the friendliest of labs or staffys, stood avidly being patted for ten minutes. Plan to follow her owner's footsteps when I get my own Anatolian pup, spending lots of time in training and socialization from day one, and therein of course lies the key. A brief mention of Australia being 'responsible dog owners' which I think is far too broad a term, but this guy as completely missed the point of responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
german_shep_fan Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Sounds like farmer dave needs to just stick to farming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Farmer Dave you are an idiot, go back to whatever it was you were doing before you started writing (badly) uneducated crap about dog breeds you know nothing about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Sure dogs eat those things, but I struggle to believe any breed was developed to consume waste specifically Read Coppinger. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Sorry, but why does it matter if someone says crap about breeds that you don't want in the hands of any old Tom Dick or Harry anyway? Doesn't this kind of thing serve to do a lot of the weeding for breeders? I wouldn't recommend a LGD except in very special circumstances. I wouldn't be recommending APBT willy nilly, either. I do think a high pain threshold makes dogs 'safer', but any trait can be a double-edged sword. Safer as long as everything is going according to plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 It annoys and worries me greatly that he got so much of even the basics about the LGD breeds wrong. Even his basic research on LGD breeds was so way off to scream that he has no clue about them. And that is before you start of the rest of his misconceptions. The problem with misconceptions about breeds spouted by public figures that dont have a clue is it tends to snowball. The average person listens to them as they are a 'celebrity' and he is presenting the information in a way that tells people that he knows what he is talking about. The information he writes simplified is basically 'LGD are vicious and shouldnt be in family homes'. Start spreading that misconception and down the track we end up getting LGD breeds added to restricted breeds lists and import bans imposed. I would rather that sort of thinking be nipped in the bud from the outset. While LGD are not for everyone, this guy does the breeds and breeders of LGD breeds here in Australia no favours at all. Note that breeders are all for correcting misconceptions either way. The Purina website info on the breed until recently had the Pyrenean listed as barking = low!!! We worked to get them to change that (which unfortunately wasnt easy) as there were people coming to breeders about puppies who took their word as gospel. Luckily breeders here are pretty good at making puppy enquirers aware of breed traits like their tendency to bark and could clear up that misconception before it caused any damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I agree completely espinay twats like this run the risk of getting LGD breeds added onto the radar of bsl bullies and fanatics. Decent breeders educate and find the best homes for their pups, fortunately LGD breeds aren't overly popular with bybers and cowboys. Yes they are a dog that needs to be closely managed but there is generally a reason why the owner has gotten them and they are generally going to do whatever is needed according to their breed characteristics to get the best possible outcome for their needs. I haven't gotten another CAO yet but I will be damned sure that I will not just sit back and not comment when uneducated show ponies sprout off crap that they have no personal knowledge of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indigirl Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Mmm my shar pei rip flesh. Yeah right. He struggles with chicken necks Aww yours must be broken then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 It annoys and worries me greatly that he got so much of even the basics about the LGD breeds wrong. And in addition to bringing these breeds to the attention of BSL idiots, spouting nonsense about how certain breeds are "vicious" brings them to the attention of the morons who WANT dogs like this, which creates a problem where none existed. Do you think the APBT got so much bad press before the morons discovered them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmay Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) Man reading that made me angry, such ignorance. I had a look at his facebook and there's pictures of him cuddling up to pitbull type dogs and wanting to find homes for them. Watch out farmer Dave, you said pitbulls can "notorious for attacking without warning", that dog licking your face might suddenly bite it off! What are you doing?!?! In all seriousness, I think people should send him the link to this thread so he can read how much of a nitwit he is. :D Edited October 18, 2011 by Jimmay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Dog Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Farmer Dave is more then welcome to come hang out with my bull terrier to see how I "keep her aggression in check". Sounds like he's just regurgitated some BSL tripe he's read. He's now a dog trainer? Just what the world needs, another 'dog trainer' who has no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Corvus he is sprouting crap, not just things that may put someone off a breed, but crap. Putting people off trying to keep certain dogs in suburbia is not bad in it's self, but typing complete nonsense is a problem. Especially when, as already stated, it may bring those breeds to the attention of people who didn't even need to know they existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raineth Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I can't believe he actually implied that he's had personal experience with all those various breeds of dog, some of which are extremely rare are they not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keira&Phoenix Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I did email him but I have posted on his facebook wall as well. I think rather than linking this thread everyone here should just pop over to his facebook page and leave a politely worded, educated wall post about his inaccurate article. I am sure that will get his attention. Here is his FB page for anyone who is interested. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Farmer-Dave/128251427229221 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 I just did a quick google and I have no idea where he got those bite stats from. They do not reflect ANY for the bite stats I saw. I would have expected the percentages to be greater (which is what my googling skills discovered) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fox Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Poodle infused dogs thanks to their non-shedding coats which make them an easier inside dog. Easier? How? So you can make up for that 10 mins you saved vacuuming with hours of grooming.. The risk of a dog attack is extremely low in Australia thanks mostly due to responsible ownership and a tendancy for dog owners to be educated, it is also a result of controls on dangerous breeds. Bullshit. BSL is the result of irresponsible owners.. Dogs that have been specifically bred for a role in protection or aggression without question have a higher propensity to be involved in an altercation. A dog trained properly in protection is withou question extremely unlikely to be 'involved in an altercation'. Whilst without question a dog can have its agression kept under check with good management in the crucial first 7 weeks of its life, these breeds of dog non the less have been genetically constructed to attack and rip flesh and that can not be denied and must be carefully managed. Errrrrr..... It is my belief that Fighting dogs are not suitable as family pets and belong in the one place they are suited...the back of Pigging Utes doing what they are predisposed to do. Hmmmmm.... since 'fighting dogs' are not only illegal in this country but make up a very small percentage of the bull breed population I'm not sure what his point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyBlue Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 ...and with the development of sunscreen he doesn't need to wear his over sized hat anymore - its not suitable to indoor living. Ill decide what dog lives in my house and he can decide what he puts on his over sized head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Totally agree Chewwy. Its all about socialization and care. And with this a difficult dog can be turned around. While agree that the article is filled with misinformation, I strongly disagree with the statement above. Genetics play s a big role in temperament. If it didn't, we'd happily tell breeders to breed with aggressive dogs because with "socialisation and care, we can turn the pup around". There are good owners with difficult dogs who have socialised, cared for and loved their dogs. I get that socialisation is important, but I'm sick of having all owners blamed for not having a well adjusted dog. After all, we tell people to go to ethical breeders and to spend a lot of time selecting the right breed because breed traits *do* matter. If they don't, then we are saying that people should select a breed on looks and exercise requirements alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Some puposes we have bred dogs for are ........ Waste Consumption....... Can anyone enlighten me on this :confused: eg, chicken carcasses, spoiled milk, bones. Sure dogs eat those things, but I struggle to believe any breed was developed to consume waste specifically I try to listen sympathetically, even to idiots. My guess is the joy with which dogs eat the stuff humans throw out played a role in the early domestication of dogs . . .and has strengthened the bond between our two species for eons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keira&Phoenix Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 FYI - Farmer Dave has posted a comment re: our criticism of him and has also responded to all facebook comments. If anyone is interested to see his responses head to his facebook page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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