Saffioraire Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Whilst Most Dog Attacks in NSW do not involve Pit Bulls as a percentage of their breed they double the next breed most likely to be involved in an attack at 1.5% for Pit Bull Crosses and 1% of Purebreds in comparison other breeds in the top 10 that have attacked humans the Kelpie attackers represent a mere 0.09% of their total and the Labrador, (along with the Maltese and Jack Russel) represent a tiny 0.03%. Really?! Is that a real statistic? Is it only me who has found JRT's and crosses to be one of the most feisty dogs to own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Shepherd~ Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) Whilst Most Dog Attacks in NSW do not involve Pit Bulls as a percentage of their breed they double the next breed most likely to be involved in an attack at 1.5% for Pit Bull Crosses and 1% of Purebreds in comparison other breeds in the top 10 that have attacked humans the Kelpie attackers represent a mere 0.09% of their total and the Labrador, (along with the Maltese and Jack Russel) represent a tiny 0.03%. Really?! Is that a real statistic? Is it only me who has found JRT's and crosses to be one of the most feisty dogs to own? All the Jrts we have had through our rescue have been wonderful, not an ounce of aggro. Any dog in the wrong hands can be aggro, you should know this first hand Edited October 18, 2011 by Chewbacca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazyWal Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 http://www.lovesdogs.com.au/dog-info/dogs-not-to-buy.html Domestic Dogs have been specifically bred by humans for a desired set of traits in order to fill a desired pupose. Some puposes we have bred dogs for are Transportation, Herding, Guarding, Waste Consumption, Fighting, Retrieving, Hunting, Food Supply and Companionship.Dog breeds come in and out of fashion all the time depending on their suitability for the purposes required, of course now their is much less a need for Transportation or Draft Dogs now then there was leading up to the 20th Century and thanks to the banning of fighting there has been a dramatic decrease in the number of on dogs that were bred for blood sports. Likewise there has been a massive rise in Poodle infused dogs thanks to their non-shedding coats which make them an easier inside dog. The risk of a dog attack is extremely low in Australia thanks mostly due to responsible ownership and a tendancy for dog owners to be educated, it is also a result of controls on dangerous breeds. Dogs that have been specifically bred for a role in protection or aggression without question have a higher propensity to be involved in an altercation. I fully understand many poeples point of veiw when it comes to labeling breeds as Not suitable for suburban living however just as statitstics tell us that being an pilot is much more of a deadly occupation then Truck driving however many more druck drivers die than pilots as there are vastly more truck drivers than Pilots. It is about looking at the facts and being responsible with those facts when choosing a dog to join your household. Certain Breeds of dogs are much more dangerous than others but due to their low number are not high on the list of most dogs involved in dog attacks. Also what needs to be taken into account is the location of the many dogs on the list, Greyhounds for example are very often in public places due to their role in society where as Maremmas are mostly out Guarding sheep well away from human interaction. Below is my list of dogs that in my personal expirience are NOT suited to family life in urban Australia. Livestock Guardian Dogs Adidi , Akbash, Anatolian Shepherd, Castro Laboreiro, Cuacasian Ovtcharka, Estrela Mountain, Great Pyrenees, Kangal, Komondor, Kuvasz, Maremma Sheepdog, Middle Asian Ovtcharka, Perrp de Pastor Mallorquin, Polish Tatra Sheepdog, Pyrenean Mastiff, Sarplaninac, South Russian Ovtcharka, Tibetan Kyi-Apso, Tibetan Mastiff, Tornjak. For centuries farmers and shepards have used Livestock guardian dogs for protection from predators for their flocks. As we all become more aware of nature and safer ways to protect our planet people are looking for better solutions to predator control other than poisons, traps and guns to keep their stock safe. I am a major advocate of Livestock Guardian Dogs and particularly for the Australian environment the Maremma Sheep as they have completely changed the way we have controlled dingos, foxes and wild dogs which can decimate sheep populations. By eliminating the need for poisoned baits and traps, making our farmland much safer and more humane. Livestock Guardian Dogs (LGDs) share some common traits: they are about the same size and color as the livestock they were bred to guard; they exhibit the traits of Responsibility, the tendency to remain with the livestock and Protection, being extremely savage and vigilant towards any predators. There are many more similarities among the LGD breeds than there are differences between them. Some breeds, like Pyrenees., were developed for tractability around people; others, like Tibetan Mastiffs, were developed for hostility toward those not of their camp - most LGDs fall somewhere in the middle. Dispite looking very cute and fluffy LGD breeds are extremely protective and display this selectively bred trait by barking, posturing and intimidating as well as actually attacking which usually is not anticipated. They are also bred for the outdoors (my Maremmas live solely with their sheep flocks in the paddocks and do not enjoy dens or seek shelters) therefor have a very high shedding coating totally unsuitable for a family home. Fighting Breeds Bull Terrier, Dogo Argentino, Shar Pei, Presa Canario, Tosas Inu, Fila Brasiliero, American Pit Bull Terier, Bull Mastif An ancient purpose for dogs was as a tribal war attack dog and large predator fighter as it was not that long ago humans had to contend with bears, wild boar, lions and well armed enemies, so large highly muscular and fearless dogs were bred to protect their owners and attack others. Whilst without question a dog can have its agression kept under check with good management in the crucial first 7 weeks of its life, these breeds of dog non the less have been genetically constructed to attack and rip flesh and that can not be denied and must be carefully managed. Touch Insensitivity Trait One of the traits that was selectively bred for in the pit bull in order to make this dog breed into a more efficient fighter is what is known as touch insensitivity. This trait of touch insensitivity is common to dogs bred for fighting so that despite being severely wounded they would continue fighting. A dog high in this trait would be pretty much impervious to a might yank on its chain which goes a long way in explaining why it is so difficult to call off and disengage a pit bull engaged in an attack. Other traits that were bred into the pit bull that enhance its violent nature are a tendency towards dominance and excitability; both excellent traits if you’re designing the ultimate fighter. Other features that the pit bull was selectively bred for all in the name of the “ultimate canine fighter” were enormous jaw strength, unparallel tenacity and extreme resilience! In fact the Pit Bull is unique amongst dogs in exhibiting the unusual behavioral trait of being unfazed or undeterred in attacking opponents far larger than themselves. This would account for the unusual pattern of their attacks in that they are just as likely to attack an adult as they would a child! The Pit Bull is also notorious for attacking without warning or apparent provocation (that’s where that excitability trait comes into play). Whilst Most Dog Attacks in NSW do not involve Pit Bulls as a percentage of their breed they double the next breed most likely to be involved in an attack at 1.5% for Pit Bull Crosses and 1% of Purebreds in comparison other breeds in the top 10 that have attacked humans the Kelpie attackers represent a mere 0.09% of their total and the Labrador, (along with the Maltese and Jack Russel) represent a tiny 0.03%. These figures do make one thing clear, dogs are highly unlikely to offend. However the likelyhood of a fighting dog being involved in an attack is incredibly higher than other types of dog. It is my belief that Fighting dogs are not suitable as family pets and belong in the one place they are suited...the back of Pigging Utes doing what they are predisposed to do. Me finks farmer Dave needs to find a wife that knows how to use spell check I gave up looking What about being AN pilot or a druck driver!Who is this goose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Baggins Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Some puposes we have bred dogs for are ........ Waste Consumption....... Can anyone enlighten me on this :confused: Labradors? Cavaliers. :rofl: :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Baggins Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Whilst Most Dog Attacks in NSW do not involve Pit Bulls as a percentage of their breed they double the next breed most likely to be involved in an attack at 1.5% for Pit Bull Crosses and 1% of Purebreds in comparison other breeds in the top 10 that have attacked humans the Kelpie attackers represent a mere 0.09% of their total and the Labrador, (along with the Maltese and Jack Russel) represent a tiny 0.03%. Really?! Is that a real statistic? Is it only me who has found JRT's and crosses to be one of the most feisty dogs to own? All the Jrts we have had through our rescue have been wonderful, not an ounce of aggro. Any dog in the wrong hands can be aggro, you not long ago had your White Shepherd 9that you had a few litters from) PTS because of this didnt you? Totally agree Chewwy. Its all about socialization and care. And with this a difficult dog can be turned around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) The guy is an idiot. Plain and simple. A lot of the LGD breeds he mention arent even in this country (and some of them are not common outside of their homeland) and he doesnt even know that the Pyrenean Mountain Dog is only called a Great Pyrenees in the US and Canada. So much for 'personal experience' - he shows his lack of it with every word. If he is going to claim to be such an 'expert' he should at least have the courtesy to get even the basics right Edited October 18, 2011 by espinay2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifi Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Good dog, what a worry this idiot has set himself up as a consultant He has no idea of the background / origins of the breeds he is misrepresenting. fifi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Pfft my "fighting breed" doesn't have an aggressive bone in her body and is in fact the friendliest and has the best manners of any dog I have ever met. Who is Farmer Dave and what makes him an authority on the subject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) Poor Farmer Dave I hope the big boy on the right doesn't have any Bull Mastif in him oh and he is an ex Big Brother contestant - that says it all Edited October 18, 2011 by casowner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruthless Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) Farmer def needs a spellchecker! Edited October 18, 2011 by ruthless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ams Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) Farmer Dave was on Big Brother. He now works as a dog trainer in NSW. Search for him in FB and his page will be the first one that comes up. His websites where he sprouts this sh*t is one of the two websites he runs. I have left a message on his FB page. eta as far as training goes he seems to know his stuff and is doing some work with/for AWDRI and RSPCA but its just another celebrity sprouting cr*p about breeds he knows nothing about (clearly) and adding to the hysteria of BSL. Edited October 18, 2011 by Ams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Who is farmer dave and why would anyone pay any attention to anything he has to say? I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inevitablue Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 His websites reek of 'Fake it 'till you make it'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 His websites reek of 'Fake it 'till you make it'. Fake tan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) Some puposes we have bred dogs for are ........ Waste Consumption....... Can anyone enlighten me on this :confused: eg, chicken carcasses, spoiled milk, bones. Edited October 18, 2011 by sandgrubber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 This guy has never met a JRT (or any other small working terrier) if he thinks the APBT is unique in being willing to take on a larger opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobie Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 :rofl: I thought you were all just calling him Farmer Dave as a joke. I just looked at the link and saw he calls himself Farmer Dave. What an idiot . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCresties Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Some puposes we have bred dogs for are ........ Waste Consumption....... Can anyone enlighten me on this :confused: eg, chicken carcasses, spoiled milk, bones. Sure dogs eat those things, but I struggle to believe any breed was developed to consume waste specifically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacqui835 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I own a dog that does have a very high pain threshold (doberman), and frankly, I think it makes him a safer dog. Young children can pull his fur and ears and he's un-phased. I have seen 'family friendly' breeds snap at children for that sort of behaviour. And tonight for example, our male kitten decided to try and um suckle from our dog and ended up in some very interesting locations. I feel that if our dog had been more sensitive to pain, there's a good change he may have reprimanded the kitten, but instead, he just lay there and actually accommodated the kitten. Guy sounds like a complete idiot and it just sucks that we live in a world where ignorant people have so much influence. Also, just in case anyone else is worried, our kitten left his mother at 9.5 weeks and had been weaned since 6, so I'm not sure why he has suddenly decided to try and suckle from our dog... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 You know that kneeding thing that cats do before they curl up... that's a vague remnant of the nipple hunting exercise. I think it feels good to a cat. My brother's dog had his kitten attached to her face like the alien in alien (the first movie)... Just kind of polished the floor with the kitten for a bit but didn't actually do anything nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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